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thats how they get you in the shark tank... be careful
DEBUNKED: David Lim - Public talks on geoengineering / chemtrails in the UK
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thats how they get you in the shark tank... be careful
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GSY (Company on barrels of 'water') was hired by USAF for HAARP so... there is that connection...
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are you guys professional stalkers?
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Monsanto connection made to jet engines and aerosol jet fuel...
you guys probably work for Monsanto. You all must have no soul... trying to ruin peoples career since they speak out... DDT, Agent Orange, Aspartame, Roundup and GMO food ... now the connection with CONtrails and Monsanto. Congrats people at metabunk, you really show your true colors.
David Fraser
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Er. Why would I work for Monsanto? Have you seen where I am from? You do understand that the UK has NO commercial GM crops. In fact we are just at the stage of planting a second single TEST crop and public opinion is still swayed against comnercialisation.
As for ruin a career. Surely if Mr Lim has irrefutable evidence this will be the making of his career. However he is also making his claims on the basis that he is a researcher for the University of Reading, as well as using his university email as a point of contact. He is the one that is giving the impression is opinion and research are backed by the University. Reading, if you do not know is part of the Russell Group which essentially represents the top 10 Universities in the UK. Mr Lim is making claims based on his attachment to this institution and I have every right to verify any information. It is all part of something called "academic rigour".
HappyMonday
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Not paranoid at all then?
Evidence please.
Evidence for flagrant conflation of conspiracy theories, or that Metabunk users are in the pay of Monsanto?
You can return to Youtube now, but please note that this is an example of how to respond to multiple posts without spamming a forum unnecessarily.
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Here are more from that same 777-300ER
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread514636/pg2 GSY, CA is the same company used and hired by USAF & HAARP facility.
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a398268.pdf
Again, you folks love to throw insults around to try and discredit people- you talk among yourselves and everyone who comes here feels the same way- you lack empathy, a soul a heart. I wouldn't be surprised if none of you have a family of your own, because only loaners speak with out heart or care about anyone else other than their own egos.
Your entire metabunk site is, as it is stated in a paper written in 2008, Cass Sunstein, legal scholar, and Administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, wrote of appropriate government responses to conspiracy theories. In the paper he stated:
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F4Jock
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No worries. Seems to me that Mr. Lim is doing a good enough job ruining his own career, well that much of it that might still actually be credible, to not need any help,
M Bornong
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This comment from David Lim's feed page seems to indicate that this You Tube account is indeed his.
By the way, how do I properly tie this to Happymonday's original comment?
Cairenn
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First we all worked for Monsanto, now the government. You seem more willing to discredit US than to offer credible evidence.
I will inform you that I am a jewelry artist, and that I am here, because my dad and my mom taught me how to tell the difference between facts and bunk. And my Dad taught me that believing in bunk is dangerous.
F4Jock
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Gee! You mean I'm entitled to TWO paychecks? Monsanto AND the government, I must have missed this somewhere in the instructions. Whom do I tell where to send the money? I guess I'd better apologize to Cass Sunstien for thinking he was a political shill.
David Fraser
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Can you firstly highlight where I have made an insult. Secondly can you tell me exactly what government is funding this site, especially as this is a multinational community. Given the recent cuts to public services in the UK I would be amazed if the budget for "shilling" had not been dropped along with our Harrier fleet, aircraft carrier and fleet of Nimrods.
I wish people would think logically before throwing around baseless accusations.
HappyMonday
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Your first link is to a page on which the Ballast Barrel aspect of the chemtrail hoax is being debunked by one of the sites moderators. Please provide evidence of your GSY's "hired by USAF & HAARP facility," claim, and explain how this proves anything about the chemtrail theory?
Your second link is to a document about HAARP, which has a GSY reference number written on the front page. Please provide a page and paragraph which demonstrates a link between HAARP, chemtrails and Monsanto?
Finally, please note the following accusations and insinuations you (I assume, since you're unregistered) posted in your initial three post gallop -
"are you guys professional stalkers?"
"You all must have no soul... trying to ruin peoples career since they speak out... DDT, Agent Orange, Aspartame, Roundup and GMO food ... now the connection with CONtrails and Monsanto. Congrats people at metabunk, you really show your true colors."
...and then consider which horse in this race is being impolite.
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Cairenn
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Let's also look at your list of 'evils'
DDT, still the best way to reduce malaria. Overused so it did cause problems with bird eggs-It's OVERUSE,
Agent Orange---the problems with it stems to contamination with dioxin. The dioxin contamination was the problem, not the chemical as it was properly made
Aspartame--there are a few folks allergic, but not other credible evidence of harm from it
Roundup---Where is the solid, credible evidence against it, when it is used properly
GMO crops---the same question as with RoundUp
It looks like to me that you are trying to ruin a company because you don't LIKE their products. In spite of the fact that their products are helping millions of folks.
DDT, still the best way to reduce malaria. Overused so it did cause problems with bird eggs-It's OVERUSE,
Agent Orange---the problems with it stems to contamination with dioxin. The dioxin contamination was the problem, not the chemical as it was properly made
Aspartame--there are a few folks allergic, but not other credible evidence of harm from it
Roundup---Where is the solid, credible evidence against it, when it is used properly
GMO crops---the same question as with RoundUp
It looks like to me that you are trying to ruin a company because you don't LIKE their products. In spite of the fact that their products are helping millions of folks.
solrey
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You mean these labels on these barrels of water?
Zoom in and look closely, it's actually G 5 Y... not GSY. It's not the letter S, it's the number 5. So, GSY as the name of a business has nothing whatsoever to do with those barrels.
Besides, the full name of the company that worked under an AFRL contract is GSY-USA, Inc., and it's just a couple of geology consultants. They developed some software code under a one year contract with the Air Force Research Laboratory related to analysis of underground structures that could be detected using a transmitter like the IRI at the HAARP facility. They basically just developed new software codes for imaging analysis. The research had nothing to do with the HAARP facility itself other than being mentioned as an example of the kind of transmitter that could be used for non-invasive underground imaging. I emphasized non-invasive in case you get any ideas about earthquakes or some other such nonsense.
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a398268.pdf
There ya go... deeee-bunked.
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You mean these labels on these barrels of water?
Zoom in and look closely, it's actually G 5 Y... not GSY. It's not the letter S, it's the number 5.
Besides, the full name of the company that worked under a navy contract is GSY-USA, Inc., and it's just a couple of geology consultants. They developed some software code under a one year contract with the Air Force Research Laboratory related to analysis of underground structures that could be detected using a transmitter like the IRI at the HAARP facility. They basically just developed new software codes for imaging analysis. The research had nothing to do with the HAARP facility itself other than being mentioned as an example of the kind of transmitter that could be used for non-invasive underground imaging. I emphasized non-invasive in case you get any ideas about earthquakes or some other such nonsense.
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a398268.pdf
There ya go... deeee-bunked.
I see GSY and you already established the paper for GSY, so thank you for collaborating the connection between THOSE labeled tanks of 'water' and HAARP and USAF. Thanks so much. Now about Monsanto being hired by USAF Medical Medicine.... The connection is clear. These are the papers and these are the connections. Buuuu-sted. Your web site is a front for illegal coverups.
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Helping millions make billions, and killing billions with the cover ups. Thanks for all your humanitarian efforts to go Green Caireen. I assume most of you must have no family of your own. Tell me, why does our President plant ORGANIC NON GMO crops at the white house?
Cairenn
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First, most GMO crops are not what we think of as garden varieties. Feed corn and eating corn are different varieties of corn.
Organic is a reasonable choice if you are producing smaller amounts of any crop. If I was going to have a garden, I would lean organic, not because of it being better, but to reduce pollution and because I like reusing things like leaves and grass clippings.
I hope if you have a family that you are getting them proper medical care including vaccinations.
Where are these 'billions' being killed?
Organic is a reasonable choice if you are producing smaller amounts of any crop. If I was going to have a garden, I would lean organic, not because of it being better, but to reduce pollution and because I like reusing things like leaves and grass clippings.
I hope if you have a family that you are getting them proper medical care including vaccinations.
Where are these 'billions' being killed?
David Fraser
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I know I am in danger of repeating myself but there is an irony about discussing GMO on a thread about the UK. I think some commentators presume that what happens in the US happens worldwide. I have done my fair share of crop stomping back in the 90's and probably still will. When GM labelling was introduced the supermarkets instead decided not to use GM. Although public, and political, opinion is changing GMO is deeply unpopular.
Our labelling is extremely severe as well. When at uni I worked for a fish processor in Quality Control. We had to dispose of a huge amount of vegetable oil as we found part was from GM crops. Our product was flash fried in the oil for maybe 15 seconds at high temperature. Any DNA trace would have been destroyed and the oil represented less than 1% of the product and the GM component would have been negligible, yet it had to be labelled. The product just would not have sold.
Our labelling is extremely severe as well. When at uni I worked for a fish processor in Quality Control. We had to dispose of a huge amount of vegetable oil as we found part was from GM crops. Our product was flash fried in the oil for maybe 15 seconds at high temperature. Any DNA trace would have been destroyed and the oil represented less than 1% of the product and the GM component would have been negligible, yet it had to be labelled. The product just would not have sold.
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yes over the last 50 years, related deaths to the chemicals and poison's made and manufactured by Monsanto- and those being poisoned daily by "Monsanto like" chemical companies today well over a billion.
JeffreyNotGeoffrey
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I have no heart? What is the thing I feel beating in my rib cage? I don't have surgical scars so an implant is out. As for a soul I will agree I don't have one but then again neither does any one else. As for the G5Y containers you can see whatever you wish, but it still reads G5Y. I can take things to make lots of things appear different. It just doesn't make it so.
lotek
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your own website you cited, abovetopsecret, doesn't think those barrels are anything but water. what you have is a religion sir.
and it is an awful awful website*
would posting a picture of my W-2 for $17,000 last year do anything to convince you im not paid for this? figure that out, someone living at half the poverty line defending the federal government.... its because you are just so damn wrong... im totally happy to post it if youd like.
and it is an awful awful website*
would posting a picture of my W-2 for $17,000 last year do anything to convince you im not paid for this? figure that out, someone living at half the poverty line defending the federal government.... its because you are just so damn wrong... im totally happy to post it if youd like.
David Fraser
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So you change your story. Who are we talking about fella? All agrochemical companies??
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You mean these labels on these barrels of water?
Zoom in and look closely, it's actually G 5 Y... not GSY. It's not the letter S, it's the number 5. So, GSY as the name of a business has nothing whatsoever to do with those barrels.
Besides, the full name of the company that worked under an AFRL contract is GSY-USA, Inc., and it's just a couple of geology consultants. They developed some software code under a one year contract with the Air Force Research Laboratory related to analysis of underground structures that could be detected using a transmitter like the IRI at the HAARP facility. They basically just developed new software codes for imaging analysis. The research had nothing to do with the HAARP facility itself other than being mentioned as an example of the kind of transmitter that could be used for non-invasive underground imaging. I emphasized non-invasive in case you get any ideas about earthquakes or some other such nonsense.
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a398268.pdf
There ya go... re-bunked.
You guys crack me up! Keep protecting BIG money....
A related, more promising idea is to adjust the fuel mixture in commercial airplanes to generate the needed aerosols in their ex¬haust (rather than flying a cargo hold full of aerosols). http://intellectualventureslab.com/?p=474
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Danny55
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The barrel story appears over here
http://www.facebook.com/JohnMassari...663253779.1974.100002880367654&type=1&theater
Not sure if this is the origin of it but it appears to be the source for post #42
"John Massaria GSY is the company hired by USAF for HAARP project and they are inside the airliner!"
Post 42 "GSY (Company on barrels of 'water') was hired by USAF for HAARP so...
http://www.facebook.com/JohnMassari...663253779.1974.100002880367654&type=1&theater
Not sure if this is the origin of it but it appears to be the source for post #42
"John Massaria GSY is the company hired by USAF for HAARP project and they are inside the airliner!"
Post 42 "GSY (Company on barrels of 'water') was hired by USAF for HAARP so...
F4Jock
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Please cite the facts supporting this number. Prove your contentions. Show me where more people have died from the effects of Monsanto products than from starvation. How many lives has Monsanto saved and improved with its products vs those who MAY have been harmed? Reminds me of the peanut allergy flap. Peanut products are horrible and must be restricted because a few people are allergic and a few have died yet peanut butter is a good, low cost form of protein for the overwhelming majority. Have some people been harmed by Monsanto products? Undoubtedly, but I'll wager that many more have been helped!
Jay Reynolds
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So, John Massaria has been caught out making even more use of the Ballast Barrel Hoax? He insists that people accpet that a series of letters/numbers reads GSY when it is perfectly clear it doesn't? John, you aren't much of a hoaxer.
Jay Reynolds
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At the very end of his presentation Lim explains who he got his information from:
Michael J. Murphy
Dane Wigington
Scott Stevens
Rosalind Peterson
G. Edward Griffin
Alan Watt
Alex Longman
CPUK London
Of course the first class of [...] disinformationalists on the list explains why David Lim is repeating bunk. None of the names he mentions appears in public where they can be pressed on the false claims they have made. They simply are not going to allow themselves to be corrected except that time will show their claims to not be fruitful. Very sad that Lim is so trusting that he could have fallen for tricksters like that so easily. He seems to have no one who cares that he is getting scammed and set up for his reputation to be abused by the cast of [people] he confides in, or else they do but are unable to speak sense to him.
Anyone know of Alex Longman or what CPUK is?
Michael J. Murphy
Dane Wigington
Scott Stevens
Rosalind Peterson
G. Edward Griffin
Alan Watt
Alex Longman
CPUK London
Of course the first class of [...] disinformationalists on the list explains why David Lim is repeating bunk. None of the names he mentions appears in public where they can be pressed on the false claims they have made. They simply are not going to allow themselves to be corrected except that time will show their claims to not be fruitful. Very sad that Lim is so trusting that he could have fallen for tricksters like that so easily. He seems to have no one who cares that he is getting scammed and set up for his reputation to be abused by the cast of [people] he confides in, or else they do but are unable to speak sense to him.
Anyone know of Alex Longman or what CPUK is?
FuzzyUK
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David Lim seems receptive to email correspondence. I put this to him:
"Hi Dr. Lim, Have you published any academic papers relating to the talk you gave on
Geoengineering & Chemtrails in Dorset recently? In particular I am interested in the results of any effluent measurements taken from the UK atmosphere."
He replied:
"Richard, Thank you for your enquiry. I regret that I have not published work in this area. It is not my immediate area of investigation, sadly. ...."
and added:
"Cloud formation science is a well-established area of research as you may know, however air quality testing for metal particulates is only at its infancy in the UK I believe. I am unaware of any body of literature in the public domain looking into heavy metal particulates in the atmosphere as such. Maybe for obvious reasons! I am just speculating. The rain water testing that our group did showed significant disparities when double blind tests were carried out in laboratories."
M Bornong
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That's Chemtrails Project UK https://www.facebook.com/pages/Chemtrails-Project-UK/321477711219892 and that's Mr Max Bliss' van in the cover photo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cmfcCVg2rg
they also have this website, http://www.chemtrailsprojectuk.com/#
Jay Reynolds
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So, without exception, every source Lim has relied upon is a known bunk producer. Not a single credible source. He never stood a chance.
David Fraser
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I have had FB conversations with Niall Dixon who runs CPUK. The site is wanting people to take rainwater samples and get them tested. I have asked what they expect to find, and what constitutes high levels. They expect to find no more than 0.07 or 0.08 ug/l of Al in a sample as that is what they calculated. I tried providing them with a methodology and recommended some good basic textbooks on practical skills. I have given them links to DEFRA sites that provide data for regional pollution sampling. They refuse to accept they are not fake even though they often show levels higher than their own samples. I was told that they will not read any of my lies and disinformation.
When asked on how they plan to use their data they are going to send it to an expert to be analysed. Turns out the expert is Francis Mangels. Without been offensive they have loss poor understanding. On the site they told folk to note if they took samples within a 100 miles of coal power stations and then provided a map of coal mines. I did link them to a map of all the UK power stations especially noting an area called "Megawatt Valley" which has a number of coal fired stations. I don't know if they have added the information or just chosen to ignore it.
I find it extremely difficult to understand how Mr Lim accepts them as reliable resources given that he has access to all the academic journals at his uni. What an indictment of the UK Phd training system.
When asked on how they plan to use their data they are going to send it to an expert to be analysed. Turns out the expert is Francis Mangels. Without been offensive they have loss poor understanding. On the site they told folk to note if they took samples within a 100 miles of coal power stations and then provided a map of coal mines. I did link them to a map of all the UK power stations especially noting an area called "Megawatt Valley" which has a number of coal fired stations. I don't know if they have added the information or just chosen to ignore it.
I find it extremely difficult to understand how Mr Lim accepts them as reliable resources given that he has access to all the academic journals at his uni. What an indictment of the UK Phd training system.
M Bornong
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I'm hoping that the NASA Discover AQ Mission http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/discover-aq/index.html, will address the heavy metal particulates in the atmosphere. They are beginning to realease the data, anyone that can help me interpret the data, it would be greatly appreciated. Here's some of the video I shot in January, when NASA was buzzing my house 3 times a day, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf7l8IwMcuA.
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How is that changing the story, are you just changing the meaning? Monsanto owns dozens of other companies- those are the "Monsanto like" chemical and biological companies- you know that. Solutia Inc. Calgene inc, Dekalb Genetics Corp, Graessers Chemical Works, Bayer, Searle (CEO Donald Rumsfeld), Resinox, Mobay, IG Farben (or Interessen-Gemeinschaft Farbenindustrie AG -founded guilty of numerous war crimes associated with Nazi's). DDT, Agent Orange all are considered by many as crimes against humanity & nature- Monsanto at the helm again. For a company so deeply involved in 'crimes against man and nature' and how quickly you defend such actions again seems soulless. Monsanto and their connection to aerosol spraying (what so many documents and people refer to as chemical trails) is also apparent and clear. You twist words to accommodate. No wonder people leave this site after coming here- you have no empathy. Admittedly soulless. As admitted and that is a lonely place indeed. You and your friends with no soul can stay here, debating and patting each other on your soulless backs, but at the end of the day, no one with empathy or a soul will ever be stay here to endure your soulless debates- your soulless after all, a lonely place to be indeed. http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA067898 Do not discredit these facts USAF Medical hired Monsanto. I do not want to hear anything like BUT this but that... THE CONNECTION is MADE... period. (let your debunking commence- but remember - only your soulless friends will believe you- there is nothing you can say that changes the connection between Monsanto and these crimes on humanity going on right now- nothing).
David Fraser
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I don't understand what the hell he is on about. We have a network that has been going since the 90's
http://pollutantdeposition.defra.gov.uk/networks
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If this is all conspiracy theory and bunkum, why are you going to such an effort to disprove this?
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