Corporate Media and the Alternatives

dunbar

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I'd say there's an element of truth in all of that. Less so on the last one. I'm not sure if Comcast is really part of the MIC.

I'd have to look into that but I do know that NBC was owned by General Electric until Comcast bought them out in 2009:

http://www.accuracy.org/release/nsa...-digital-complex-and-commercialized-internet/
 
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Leifer

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I am definitely not Libertarian, which strikes me as a special kind of naive lunacy. Point for point, I agree with Mick's original post. Or rather, that could have been written by me about me. I would have added something about corporate media and how it has been shaped to a purpose other than informing.
lm general it informs.....
How could it not ? Does the BBC inform?
fact checking shouldbe first and formost.
 
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Alhazred The Sane

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fact checking shouldbe first and formost.

Agreed. There often seems to be a lack of fact checking. The Iraq WMD issue is a case in point. Much of the early reporting on the Libya situation, prior to western bombing, was ridiculously unfact-checked. As for the beeb, anyone who watched the propaganda dressed up as a documentary on the Mavi Marmara, wherein all the information given was essentially the report they'd been handed by the Israeli security forces, would be dubious about Auntie's much lauded lack of bias. The beeb's output, and how it takes government statements at face value, has been extraordinarily well documented on the website MediaLens.
 

cloudspotter

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I am definitely not Libertarian, which strikes me as a special kind of naive lunacy. Point for point, I agree with Mick's original post. Or rather, that could have been written by me about me. I would have added something about corporate media and how it has been shaped to a purpose other than informing.

Is it the government controlling the media or the media controlling the government? To my mind it seems to be the latter but it makes no odds because I deeply distrust both sides.
 

Mick West

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I've heard this phrase so many times it's lost all meaning. What does it mean exactly again and what separates it from other media?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_media
 

Alhazred The Sane

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The wiki entry seems accurate enough. What separates it from other media? What other media?

I've probably said this often enough, in numerous other threads, but it seems to me that the most important stories in the media (those about events that end up leading to wars) tend to be skewed towards the 'official' point of view. There are other instances of skewing, probably the most relevant to the current plight is the coverage of 'climate change'. A long, hard look at how the media have covered that particular story is enlightening, and enough to make you pull your hair out. For a long time the scientific consensus has been that WE are fucking the planet. But, in the interests of balance, every time some singular voice speaks out against this it gets heavy reporting. So, you have 99% of the scientists saying one thing, and 1% saying another thing. But that 1% gets the same airtime, the same print space, as the 99%.

And why would it be any other way, when the media makes most of its profit from advertising.

We need to seriously take a step back, and stop being such rampant consumers if the planet is to have a chance. But consumerism is the necessary drive for capitalism, for profit, for advertising, and for the corporate media. Why would the media report anything that would hurt their income source?

I don't want to go all Oxy on you. For the last 5 years I've been looking very closely at how news is reported, in between studying economics, and I've found that three sites do an excellent job of putting the news of the moment, and how it is been reported, under the spotlight. Rather than me copying and pasting excerpts from those sites I'd recommend for anyone genuinely interested in news and media to trawl through their archives: FAIR, MediaLens, NewsUnspun.
 

dunbar

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I would add Project Censored to that list.

Wiki article on Project Censored

 
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Alhazred The Sane

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Good call. It's another of my bookmarks.

But not one of the essentials, to my mind. I'm assured it was far more relevant back when it started.
 
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Pete Tar

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The wiki entry seems accurate enough. What separates it from other media? What other media?....
So it's really just a term for 'the media'. It's misleading because it sets up the concept that there is something that's not corporate.
All media operations have to be organised, have resources. Once you do that on a meaningful scale, of course you're a corporation.



We need to seriously take a step back, and stop being such rampant consumers if the planet is to have a chance. But consumerism is the necessary drive for capitalism, for profit, for advertising, and for the corporate media. Why would the media report anything that would hurt their income source?

Welcome to the existential crisis of modern life.
 

dunbar

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Here are a few more concepts and theories to consider on the issue of corporate media:

The "Working Towards the Führer" concept

Cultural Hegemony
 

dunbar

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So it's really just a term for 'the media'. It's misleading because it sets up the concept that there is something that's not corporate.
All media operations have to be organised, have resources. Once you do that on a meaningful scale, of course you're a corporation.

Not even wrong. There is independent media, alternative media, citizen media, participatory media, democratic media etc etc
 

Alhazred The Sane

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So it's really just a term for 'the media'. It's misleading because it sets up the concept that there is something that's not corporate.
There are alternative media outlets, plenty of them. Visually, you can check Amy Goodman at Democracy Now, or even the Real News Network. On the web there are dozens of alternative news/opinion sites. So there are many somethings that aren't corporate, and they're invariably more honest. Of course, you also have the dark-side, sites like InfoWars.

Welcome to the existential crisis of modern life.
Oh Pete, I'm nearly 50. I've had more than a passing acquaintance with existential crises for quite some time. I've more or less stopped buying stuff that I can't eat for quite some time. Apart from travel. I do need to go home every now and again, and it's a long way to hike.
 

Pete Tar

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So any media organisation that owes its existence to advertising revenue is corporate?
And it's ability to report is compromised because of that relationship?
 

Alhazred The Sane

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So any media organisation that owes its existence to advertising revenue is corporate?
And it's ability to report is compromised because of that relationship?

Hmm. That's simplifying the matter, considerably. But in essence, correct. Once again, I have to admit that is beyond my copy and paste skills to show how this is true, which is why I keep recommending people who are interested in how the news is presented and how media works to read "Manufacturing Consent" by Chomsky/Herman. And to check those sites I mentioned above.

There's another rather more insidious side to corporate media, and that is how it uses its access to power - and, worse, how those hoping for power access it. For example, take a look at Britain's Labour Party. Out in the wilderness from the Thatcher era, when Blair took over as leader of the party they did something different. They sent their spin maestro, Mendelson, to court Murdock. Anyone who knows Britain in the 70s/80s knows that The Sun was a rabid Tory rag.

Suddenly it shifted. It backed Blair, and "New Labour". It sounded a death knell for socialism in Britain.
 

Pete Tar

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Realistically, since the printing press, media has been a necessary strategic tool for various interests.
To exist as media you have to align yourself to an interest in some form. The best thing is to make sure there are diverse outlets for all the interests so as many can be represented as possible.
 

dunbar

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To exist as media you have to align yourself to an interest in some form.

Negatory.

The best thing is to make sure there are diverse outlets for all the interests so as many can be represented as possible.

That would be a step in the right direction, which is why media consolidation has become a crisis for democratic societies. The best thing is to make sure that there is an objective and independent media that is not beholden to private or state interests.
 

JRBids

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Oh Pete, I'm nearly 50. I've had more than a passing acquaintance with existential crises for quite some time. I've more or less stopped buying stuff that I can't eat for quite some time. Apart from travel. I do need to go home every now and again, and it's a long way to hike.

I'm nearly 60. If I can't eat it or smooth it on my body I don't buy it. :)
 

Mick West

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That would be a step in the right direction, which is why media consolidation has become a crisis for democratic societies. The best thing is to make sure that there is an objective and independent media that is not beholden to private or state interests.

Don't you think there is? You listed "independent media, alternative media, citizen media, participatory media, democratic media".

Here's someone's list:
http://www.ithaca.edu/rhp/independentmedia/USindymedialist/

The Media consortium seem fairly independent:
http://www.themediaconsortium.org/our-members/

If not, how would it work?
 

dunbar

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I think that independent media does exist but unfortunately it does not have the bully pulpit of network radio and television that the corporate media has. Which makes it tantamount to a voice crying in the wilderness. It can't compete with corporate media because corporate media has a virtual government granted monopoly over the airwaves.
 

Mick West

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I think that independent media does exist but unfortunately it does not have the bully pulpit of network radio and television that the corporate media has. Which makes it tantamount to a voice crying in the wilderness. It can't compete with corporate media because corporate media has a virtual government granted monopoly over the airwaves.

Not with the internet though. Traditional media is dying.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business...-as-the-most-important-source-of-news/263100/
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Especially reagarding national and international news (and this chart only goes to 2011)
http://www.people-press.org/2011/09...zed-but-trusted-more-than-other-institutions/
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Clock

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When I get to the news, I just listen to it on the radio. I've never really felt the need to go look it up in a newspaper or on TV. I go on the internet if I want a little more information on it, but that's it.

Am I being corrupted and blinded?
 

Pete Tar

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Oh Pete, I'm nearly 50. I've had more than a passing acquaintance with existential crises for quite some time. I've more or less stopped buying stuff that I can't eat for quite some time. Apart from travel. I do need to go home every now and again, and it's a long way to hike.
I wasn't dismissing or belittling it, just agreeing with you.
Our society is built on paradox, and awareness of that paradox is assumed if you have a basic level of intelligence, but explicit discussion of it is discouraged in polite company.
That's where satire/comedy comes in as an appropriate outlet I guess. Douglas Adams, Catch 22.
And Yes Minister/Yes Prime Minister are gold-mines of observation of the dilemma.


(slightly off-topic.)
 

Bemused to Death

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Our society is built on paradox,

Oh, hell, yes. Truer words have never been spoken. (Well, except the ones that have been, of course.)

and awareness of that paradox is assumed if you have a basic level of intelligence, but explicit discussion of it is discouraged in polite company.

Oh, hell, no. Sure, I'd love it to be true, but the evidence suggests that many folks don't even consider it. Your bit about the existential crisis was spot on. Unfortunately, I don't think there's really any solution to it. The whole system seems to have that paradoxical flaw built into it right out of the box. This, to me, is why all the -isms are such colossal failures. It's just a matter of which one sucks less than the other.
 

Mick West

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Oh, hell, no. Sure, I'd love it to be true, but the evidence suggests that many folks don't even consider it. Your bit about the existential crisis was spot on. Unfortunately, I don't think there's really any solution to it. The whole system seems to have that paradoxical flaw built into it right out of the box. This, to me, is why all the -isms are such colossal failures. It's just a matter of which one sucks less than the other.

Science certainly seems to have the best track record in figuring out how things work, saving lives, inventing stuff, improving agriculture, the internet, that type of thing.

That it "fails" for you at explaining unanswerable questions seems pretty much irrelevant.

Nobody really cares.
 

Bemused to Death

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Science certainly seems to have the best track record in figuring out how things work, saving lives, inventing stuff, improving agriculture, the internet, that type of thing.

That it "fails" for you at explaining unanswerable questions seems pretty much irrelevant.

Nobody really cares.

Science is quite wonderful stuff, no doubt. Regardless, nothing I said has anything to do with science, so I'm not sure how this is relevant since it has no bearing on what I said.
 

Mick West

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Science is quite wonderful stuff, no doubt. Regardless, nothing I said has anything to do with science, so I'm not sure how this is relevant since it has no bearing on what I said.

Where's the colossal failures then? Journalism? Stoicism? Voluntarism? Pyrrhonism?
 

Josh Heuer

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I think the fact that we have to fact check even trusted sources is telling. Maybe more people need to stop focusing on news and instead focus on learning things that are useful.
 

Alhazred The Sane

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I think the fact that we have to fact check even trusted sources is telling. Maybe more people need to stop focusing on news and instead focus on learning things that are useful.

Must we learn things that are useful? Can we not learn things we find interesting?

I'm being somewhat serious. By next year I think the business I've set up will be able to keep us safe from eviction and starvation, which means that I can go to uni and study something. I did computer sciences a long time ago, but purely to end up with a job. This time around I'm thinking of economics. I'd like to better understand how the systems work, and ideally figure out policies that would help towards a sustainable future for my country (Ireland). Ironic that I'm able to get this education for free in Finland, but there you go.
 

MichaelStox

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_media
 
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