Jay Reynolds
Senior Member.
George, I did show you how, it was by using the MACC sulfur maps. I didn't refuse, I said I would wait until you released the information publicly.
When are you going to let the cat out of the bag?
Contrail Question for Skeptics - What's the Effect of Contrails on Climate?
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When are you going to let the cat out of the bag?
George B
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Well, it will now have to be a month in coming since I am on the road and don't have the correspondence on my IPhone . . . crap . . . I thought I had it but only had a copy of the question . . .
Dr Keith,
You have made it clear that you fear the possibility of unilateral action by nations or others to possibly initiate SO2 stratospheric injection . . .
1) In your opinion, could someone engage in such an injection program and not be detected?
2) And if discovered could they be stopped?
Thank you for your time . . .
George B, Colonel USAF Retired
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Joe
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What happened Jay in 2010 ? It was Jan 2011 .
Jay Reynolds
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Joe, the propaganda movie WITWATS came out in 2010, and the buzz got going. Persistent contrails didn't just start in your area in 2011. Right after the first wave of chemtrails propaganda in 2000, several people in your area were claiming they were being attacked. If it was something that just started in 2011, why didn't you notice them ten years earlierlike the others did?
Most likely someone put the idea into your head somehow, perhaps even without your knowledge. They do that and discuss it frequently, calling it "planting a seed". Once the seed was planted, it laid dormant until whatever it was that happened and you began believing it.
We saw this happening back in 2000:
Most likely someone put the idea into your head somehow, perhaps even without your knowledge. They do that and discuss it frequently, calling it "planting a seed". Once the seed was planted, it laid dormant until whatever it was that happened and you began believing it.
We saw this happening back in 2000:
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Joe
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Well its not like I payed any attention to Chemtrail conspiracies Jay . I Just couldnt figure out how a few planes could make the skies grey ? in sunny S Florida . So you are wrong and the story only got printed because the reporter thought it was odd as well but didnt want to wear the tin foil hat . I dont feel Im at risk of any kind . Just think they ugly and unnatural . They cant be helping our citrus crop either which wed may lose to a bacteria . I just think they increased a lot in 2011 . After all the talk of geoengineering the skies it seemed to make sense .
scombrid
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Joe
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Should I care what professional meteorologist think ? They cant even predict the weather accurately . Should I care what you think either ? Whats was that you do for a living ? Scientist are to busy pushing the hoax of global warming on us . Next time speak when you are spoken to . That was a reply to Jay . Let him be the one to mock not you . You should be working paddling around in some polluted lagoon trying to figure out whats killing the dolphins and why the whales are trying to get into Lake Okeechobee via the Everglades .
scombrid
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Should I care what professional meteorologist think ? They cant even predict the weather accurately . Should I care what you think either ? Whats was that you do for a living ? Scientist are to busy pushing the hoax of global warming on us . Next time speak when you are spoken to . That was a reply to Jay . Let him be the one to mock not you . You should be working paddling around in some polluted lagoon trying to figure out whats killing the dolphins and why the whales are trying to get into Lake Okeechobee via the Everglades .
So you've noticed a change in cloud cover that is bad enough that you think it might be affecting the citrus crop but meteorologists, farmers, ecologists, all field biologists, etc... have failed to notice this change?
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Joe
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They are only worried about their pay check like most people .
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scombrid
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Interesting. Meteorologists worried about their pay check but not noticing extra clouds. Same of farmers and ecologists not noticing extra clouds. One wonders what they must be doing to get their pay checks if they don't notice something that could really impact their ability to get paychecks in the future.
JRBids
Senior Member.
YOu can't be serious Joe. What do you think they get pay checks for doing? You believe the government tells then what to say, then pays them to say it? Why not just hang all the meteorologists and scientists, then there would be more cash for our reptilian overlords to keep for themselves.
solrey
Senior Member.
What about the thousands of volunteer co-op observers and storm spotters, not to mention other weather hobbyists? Why are those with no related paycheck at stake who do it all on their own time, including people who record daily weather observations, not noticing the same phenomena?
occams rusty scissor
Senior Member.
If you're concerned about damage to a citrus crop then maybe it would be interesting to engage one of those people in a specialist field to study and collate results for you. Maybe if they're on your pay check they will be less likely to be deceptive.
Jay Reynolds
Senior Member.
No, Joe, your responses tell me I was right, just like Falcon was right back in 2000. You certainly DID pay attention to a conspiracy theory so much that you created a blog about it. Likely you "planted a seed" with your blog and some other vulnerable sap bought the enchilada like you did.
A long time ago I wrote this:
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Joe
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Yes and the conspiracy still spreads Jay . If you noticed my blog lately youd see there is very little mention of chemtrails only stories on Geoengineering . I rarely update it as well because its futile
Jay Reynolds
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I ignore your website, Joe. The conspiracy spreads, but if you knew how many thousands have left and gone away you'd know that the words I wrote in 2000 were golden. The lifespan of a chemtrails CT is fairly brief. I think you realize that. The Great Awakening expected any minute by Dane, Max Bliss and others will never come. Russ Tanner boasts 14,000 members. Looks like maybe 100 stuck it out. What batting average is that?
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Joe
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I only know of them thru this website . So actually this website spreads the chemtrail theory more then my little site does . Geoengineering is not a myth or a fairy tale Jay . Its science .Dont worry Jay Iv always ignored your website as well
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They probably get payed to read books and surf the web and act like theyre working as with most government workers But of course not allYOu can't be serious Joe. What do you think they get pay checks for doing? You believe the government tells then what to say, then pays them to say it? Why not just hang all the meteorologists and scientists, then there would be more cash for our reptilian overlords to keep for themselves.
. Believe me I know plenty as well that tell me exactly that . I know a few that work in the Holtsville IRS confiming exactly that , My wife worked for the State Of New York she told me they told her to bring a book because it could get pretty boring at times .
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Joe
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Im sure he does as does my friend but from what Im told many there dont work hard at all .My friend is an attorney at the IRS in Holtsville and he works pretty damn hard.
Jay Reynolds
Senior Member.
Well, that part is good, time for you to start calling out your former cohorts. Are you afraid of them? They can't hurt you, Joe. You know the sort of BS they are using, the same sort of stuff that sucked you in. Will you just stand by and let them fool so many as they did you? How much guts do you really have? Enough to stand up for what you know is truth against the lies you see?
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Pete Tar
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So you're convinced geo-engineering is occuring, but you're also convinced climate change is a hoax and is not science.
What are they 'geo-engineering' for then Joe?
Making the planet habitable for the lizard-people?
The condition for climate change that we've created is kind of geo-engineering, though not deliberate.
Belfrey
Senior Member.
I'm tempted to invite you up, so that you can find out how "boring" a day of work is for an ecologist who works for your state investigating the sort of issues you say would go unnoticed, but the truth is that I don't have time for it. I've found that volunteers are usually more hindrance than help.They probably get payed to read books and surf the web and act like theyre working as with most government workers But of course not all
You mentioned that our citrus trees are suffering from a bacterium, and that's true (actually more than one, if you include citrus canker as well as Huanglongbing). We're also losing some forest species due to the redbay ambrosia beetle and laurel wilt disease, which is now impacting the avocado groves. These are real and serious issues - when I see people wasting their time and energy on baseless claims like "chemtrails," I often think that they might do some real good if they focused their activism on real, fact-based problems such as these.
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geoengineering for money . Climate change or global warming as it was called untill they were forced to change it . it gives people jobs , pushes faux carbon taxes as you have in australia . lots of reason to push climate hoax and geoengineering but usally always is about money .http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...man-Medieval-times-modern-industrial-age.html
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What does a Ecologist do ? I belive our big problem is citrus greening http://tbo.com/news/breaking-news/l...eral-help-to-battle-citrus-greening-20131213/ Again another problem with a global economy .
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I have no Cohorts only Nemesis . Nobody sucked me into this anymore than your appearance Jay . The fact that this site and contrail science makes it seem to many it a disinformation site run by the government . Which of course we know is not true , The fact the same geoengineers on google groups mentioned Contrail science as something to help them with the Chemmies as you call them . there are plenty of reasons why the conspiracy exist and you and many other here on help keep it going . No debunk just makes more people suspicious . There is absolutely no trust in anyone involved in government and with all the spying done who can blame any one . Geoengineering schemes are fact weather or not its occuring now hasnt been proven . I have a google alert for geoengineering and chemtrails and its always mostly Geoengineering same stories parroted over and over again . Getting us ready ? Keep trying Jay .
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Well they do say contrails cause warming not cooling . So maybe they are afraid it wont get hot enough which is why it was changed from GW to Climate Change . Carbon taxes is all they care about . What did Rome have to cause Global warming ? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...man-Medieval-times-modern-industrial-age.html
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we are Cooling 
cosmic
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The authors of that paper don't even make that claim. The Daily Mail misrepresents its content, badly. It's a shame you're unable to recognize that.
Full article -- LiveScience"Our study doesn't go against anthropogenic global warming in any way," said Robert Wilson, a paleoclimatologist at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland and a co-author of the study, which appeared July 8 in the journal Nature Climate Change. The tree rings do help fill in a piece of Earth's complicated climate puzzle, he said. However, it is climate change deniers who seem to have misconstrued the bigger picture.
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"None of this changes the fact that the current warming can't be modeled based on natural forces alone," he said. "Anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions are the predominant forces in the late 20th century and early 21st century period."
That Scandinavia may have been slightly warmer in the 11th century than today also doesn't change the fact that the world, as a whole, is warmer now. "This data is spatially specific. You would expect to see this trend in northern Scandinavia, but not in the Alps," Wilson said. "Almost all models show that the current global warming is probably warmer overall than that warming."
Belfrey
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Ecologists do many things - I investigate interactions between plants, their pests and diseases, and the environment. Huanglongbing (or HLB) is another term for citrus greening disease.
And yes, the movement and introduction of pests and pathogens is a major issue with how global trade is done. It's something that sometimes leads to devastation of agricultural crops, and even the loss of native species from the landscape. And it's something that we could do a lot more to prevent, if the political will were there. Chemtrails activists tend to be passionate about the environment and could be a force for positive change - unfortunately, they're distracted by a bogus issue.
JRBids
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Yes, science proves climate is NOT changing, but scientists do nothing but sit around and eat donuts and collect a paycheck, much like the police. Plus they just repeat what the government tells them to. Very contradictory. Do you see it, Joe?
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So do you think Persistent contrails that white out the sky help the environment ? Its still a form of pollution and is unnatural . Chemtrail activist are a very small minority of people and h only threat is to the scientist and geoengineers proposing increased whiteout skies . So even if this is normal contrail activity they want to make it worse . If it werent for the geoengineers the chemtrail thing would have faded long ago . Hence the beginning of What in the World are they spraying ? That starts with the Geoengineering scientist themselves . You say you investigate but have you accomplished anything with your investigations ? Seems like the Greening started in 2005 ? yet its spreading throughout the state . You cant even bring a piece of fruit into California if your traveling from another state yet a shipping container filled with fruit is welcome ?
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Joe
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sounds like the Suffolk County PD . No some do work and work dam hard to make up for the majority of slackers .
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