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Article on Carnicom's site....
They even have photos of DNA from ..
And an "equipment fundraiser" donation button - they have $820 so far!!
Let's see if they publish their results and get peer review by DNA experts . . .Article on Carnicom's site....
They even have photos of DNA from ..
And an "equipment fundraiser" donation button - they have $820 so far!!
I see from the photograph the got the big DNA. That's so much easier to work with than the microscopic DNA the labs keep fooling around with.Article on Carnicom's site....
They even have photos of DNA from ..
And an "equipment fundraiser" donation button - they have $820 so far!!
Ive done a bit of reading on Morgellons, and I just want to make sure I understand what it is exactly... Is my understanding that its a sensation of bugs/parasites crawling on the body or biting etc accurate? Only reason I ask is because the symptoms seem to cover everything from MS type symptoms to Firbromyalgia(sp?) and 'coke bugs'
How much would it cost for thorough testing of those samples from a third party?
Uhm...how does he know it is "Morgellon's" DNA and not just DNA from things you would expect to find in your mouth?
They also claim that weird fibers and foreign materials grow out of their skin and they have mysterious sores. My favorite "I keep scratching but my sores won't heal".Ive done a bit of reading on Morgellons, and I just want to make sure I understand what it is exactly... Is my understanding that its a sensation of bugs/parasites crawling on the body or biting etc accurate? Only reason I ask is because the symptoms seem to cover everything from MS type symptoms to Firbromyalgia(sp?) and 'coke bugs'
'cos it's says so - right there - "....oral filaments in association with the so-called "Morgellons" condition" - how could you possibly question such a strong association??
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It is a condition people latch on to for a lack of certainty with any other diagnosis . . . no investigation so far by medical authorities or experts have connected any condition to the diagnosis . . . it is assumed most likely to be a psychosomatic condition . . . patients basically self diagnose. It has been studied by the Mayo Clinic and a larger study by Kaiser Medical System in Northern California . . http://www.cdc.gov/unexplaineddermopathy/qa.htmlIve done a bit of reading on Morgellons, and I just want to make sure I understand what it is exactly... Is my understanding that its a sensation of bugs/parasites crawling on the body or biting etc accurate? Only reason I ask is because the symptoms seem to cover everything from MS type symptoms to Firbromyalgia(sp?) and 'coke bugs'
Not sure, really. They could do PCR themselves with a kit for about $250-300, but you could do it even cheaper than that if you did it the old school way where you don't need an automated thermocycler.
I think there is no strong correlation between symptoms and cause much like what was seen in Gulf War Syndrome, Agent Orange exposure and originally in Lyme's Disease . . . there was always controversy and suspicion but difficult connections . . . in the case of Morgellons there is even less than in the three mentioned above . . .
Sometimes not knowing what is harming you or a loved one makes people desperate for an explanation . . . when all else has been eliminated, people turn to the less acceptable and marginal connections . . . it is not that hard to understand . . .I can understand the need to find SOME kind of answer for things your feeling in your body, but coming up with something that wild and outlandish is just.... odd. My Ex-Wife has some serious nerve issues resulting from a not so great back injury about 12 years ago and has many of, if not ALL of the same symptoms. It makes me wonder if these same people may have some form of nerve damage from an injury they may not realize they've sustained or have been able to have diagnosed.
Not unless you believe chemtrails are real . . . then you can imagine almost any thing you choose to about what they can cause . . .I can understand both of your points to an extent, my ex and I went through similar emotions out of frustration.. but we knew better than to try to invent some brand new disease that cant be proven as a reason... Even with AIDS and HIV, there was a cause that could be traced, it just wasnt understood because of the way it behaved.. Morgellons doesnt even have -that- much from what I can find.
I understand where you're coming from Mick, and what you're sayin.. and please dont misunderstand what Im getting at.. Im not at all saying that what these people are going through isnt real.. I just cant find any reason or evidence to suggest that its actually Morgellons.. There are hundreds of other reasons that would and can cause the same symptomology as presented.. nerve damage being one of them, or (as George pointed out) Desert Storm Syndrom etc... Thats all.
I wasn't picking on anything you said, just a general set of observations.
Morgellons is just a list of symptoms. There's nothing at all to suggest it is a distinct disease. However it's very tempting to push off their entire set of symptom as delusional. It's very easy to fall into the false dichotomy of "disease or delusion". Reality is more complex, and varies greatly by individual.
But yes, there are lots of conditions that can create those symptoms. Menopause, for example.
http://morgellonswatch.com/2006/08/25/occams-menopause/
The problem is that the people who strongly believe in Morgellons are strongly opposed to any alternate explanation. Much more strongly than, say, chemtrail believers.
He'd still need to get it sequenced, though. He doesn't even know what he's looking for, so it's not like he can order specific primers. I don't have much confidence that he understands the process well enough to make use of PCR to study an unknown.Not sure, really. They could do PCR themselves with a kit for about $250-300, but you could do it even cheaper than that if you did it the old school way where you don't need an automated thermocycler.
He'd still need to get it sequenced, though. He doesn't even know what he's looking for, so it's not like he can order specific primers. I don't have much confidence that he understands the process well enough to make use of PCR to study an unknown.