Intro
The following is a set of emails between
Dane Wigington of
Geoengineering Watch and
David Keith of Harvard University.
The email addresses have been eliminated to reduce the address scraping for automated spam, but both are easy to find. Other than that, it's an un-edited transcript.
My hope is that some people who are inclined to take the
chemtrails story seriously will look at this exchange with one the leading proponent of these claims and think about what the tone and content says about the credibility of Wigington's claims.
My views on chemtrails are
here.
Please note my final comments about the consequences of spreading this disinformation. I routinely get hate filled emails (
see examples) and have twice had threats serious enough to warrant calling the police. Spreading hate has consequences.
David Keith – 1 Sept 2016
From: Dane Wigington
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 7:14 PM
To: David Keith
Subject: You appear ever more desperate David
Hello David, your conduct and your public statements of late seem to reflect an increasing desperation on your part. As I am sure you are aware, the damning video of the exchange between you and I at the AAAS geoengineering conference in 2010 continues to circulate and be duplicated. Though you seem to believe you are immune to being fully exposed to the masses for your lead part in the climate engineering coverup, this is not the case. Soon enough the public will see you for what you are David, an accessory to the catastrophic climate engineering crimes. The truth will be fully exposed, wait and see.
Dane
From: David Keith
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 12:39 AM
To: Dane Wigington
Subject: You appear ever more desperate David
Dane
In what way was the exchange you filmed damning of me?
Was there any way in which it supported the destructive and hateful material you promote?
David
David Keith
Gordon McKay Professor of Applied Physics, School of Engineering and Applied Sciences (SEAS); and, Professor of Public Policy, Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University
From: Dane Wigington
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 11:20 PM
To: David Keith
Subject: Re: You appear ever more desperate David
David, what I support is the full disclosure of the truth. What you support, promote, and propagate is the criminal coverup of the ongoing climate engineering/weather warfare assault which is irreparably harming the climate system, human health, and the planet's ability to support life as a whole. Yes, countless forms of anthropogenic activity have indeed decimated the planet. This being said, the SRM "mitigation" that you have participated in hiding from the public is mathematically the most destructive anthropogenic activity of all. The truth will be exposed David, as will your part in trying to hide it.
Dane
From: David Keith
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 12:18 AM
To: Dane Wigington
Subject: Re: You appear ever more desperate David
Dane
I asked a simple question. You dodged it. If you support disclosure of the truth, how about starting by answering my question?
David
From: Dane Wigington
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 6:03 PM
To: David Keith
Subject: Re: You appear ever more desperate David
David, I did answer your question, but you are simply unwilling (or unable) to acknowledge this (and countless other facts). Whatever your reason or motive for playing the primary part in the criminal deception of the public in regard to the ongoing climate engineering assault, the population is indeed rapidly waking up to who, and what you are. I will personally do everything in my power to continue to accelerate the public awakening, you can count on that David. Do you really believe a fully awakened population will not hold you legally and morally responsible for your actions?
From: David Keith
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:05 AM
To: Dane Wigington
Subject: Re: You appear ever more desperate David
Dane
Where was the answer to "In what way was the exchange you filmed damning of me"?
Nothing in your email referred to the specifics of the video clip.
David
From: Dane Wigington
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 6:24 PM
To: David Keith
Subject: Re: You appear ever more desperate David
I did not realize your question only referred to your statements from the AAAS conference (recorded on film for the world to continue seeing and waking up to). Truly, I can't imagine you are even serious about such a question. In regard to you and your statements on the record, the entire video of the exchange is shocking and damning ( I can't imagine this is not clear to you). Stay tuned, the video of your AAAS statements may soon be shown in a court of law as our legal team pushes forward.
FYI, (in case you want to view the video again)
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qEBZAE0rbs
From: David Keith
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:29 AM
To: Dane Wigington
Subject: Re: You appear ever more desperate David
Dane
Again, an answer that provides more fluff but mothering that answers the question I asked. You say "I can't imagine you are even serious about such a question". Let's assume I am serious.
Can you answer?
David
From: Dane Wigington
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 6:46 PM
To: David Keith
Subject: Re: You appear ever more desperate David
Certainly David, lets start with this statement you made in regard to your proposal of dumping 10 to 20 megatons of alumina nano particles into the atmosphere "its not really a moral hazard, more like free riding on our grandchildren".
As the saying goes,"there are non so blind as those who refuse to see"
Truly, if you can't see the gravity of your statements David, your are indeed willfully blind. I don't believe the public will care why you have played such a part, I believe they will look at your actions from a legal and moral perspective. Time will soon enough tell all. I will continue in my efforts to expose the truth in every peaceful and legal way possible.
Dane
From: David Keith
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 1:21 AM
To: Dane Wigington
Subject: Re: You appear ever more desperate David
Dane
One of the biggest concern that most folks have is that if geoengineering were implemented to reduce the long-run risks of CO2 emissions it might reduce the incentive to cut emissions since people might (wrongly) believe that the climate change problem was totally solved by solar geoengineering. This concern is often called "moral hazard", I was arguing, perhaps a bit pedantically, that it should more properly be thought of as "free riding" on distant generations in the sense that if we did solar geoengineering and did not cut emissions our emissions would be passing costs on to them, cost that we did not pay.
As is clear from the context, "moral hazard" and "free riding" are technical terms from economics that I used to discuss possible implications of solar geoengineering—if it was every deployed—on people's efforts to cut emissions of carbon dioxide.
As Wikipedia puts it: "In economics, moral hazard occurs when one person takes more risks because someone else bears the cost of those risks", seehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_hazard.
And, "In economics, the free rider problem occurs when those who benefit from resources, goods, or services do not pay for them, which results in an under-provision of those goods or services",
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_rider_problem
Either way you say it these are legitimate concerns that discussion or implementation of solar geoengineering could reduce efforts to cut CO2 emissions. The distinction between the two is a bit nerdy, but I don't see anything wrong with it.
Can you spell out exactly what you think I am saying that's wrong?
Perhaps the biggest difference in our views the world seems to be that you believe that some large-scale activity is already happening in that it's kept secret. If there was a large-scale secret program it that would be a horrific fact, but how does my nerdy statement about possible implications of solar geoengineering relate to your concerns about some secret program?
You say you want truth -- then stand up for it.
David
From: Dane Wigington
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 6:41 PM
To: David Keith
Subject: Re: You appear ever more desperate David
Yes, David, standing up for the truth, I assure you I will do exactly that until my last breath. The wave of awareness is building by the day, the light will yet shine on the deception and cover up. Truly, I can't imagine how you can face your own image in the mirror David, or how you can rationalize your part in the cover up of the ongoing climate engineering atrocities that are occurring in our skies.
Dane
From: David Keith
Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2016 11:47 AM
To: Dane Wigington
Subject: RE: You appear ever more desperate David
Dane
"The wave of awareness is building by the day, the light will yet shine on the deception and cover up. Truly, I can't imagine how you can face your own image in the mirror David, or how you can rationalize your part in the cover up of the ongoing climate engineering atrocities that are occurring in our skies."
I note that this does nothing to respond my email about the about the moral hazard quote you claimed damming, and contains nothing that in any way supports your viewpoint, it simply restates same kind of grand yet vague language about "cover-up" and "deception".
Is it possible you have nothing more serious to offer?
Suppose our positions were reversed. Suppose I publicly asserted that you were really an malignant alien from Gliese 581g, and that made public statements that I could reasonably expect would encouraged hateful or even violent behavior against you. Yet, when you protested and offered evidence as to your humanity, I refused to acknowledge any arguments but simply repeated innuendo saying "the light will yet shine on the deception and cover up. Truly, I can't imagine how you can face your own image in the mirror".
Think about it. Take a look in the mirror.
David
From: Dane Wigington
Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2016 7:58 PM
To: David Keith
Subject: Re: You appear ever more desperate David
Interesting line of rationalization to try and justify the part you have played in the criminal cover up of the climate engineering atrocities, David. Do you think the public will buy it when they fully awaken to what has been done to them and to who lied to hide weather warfare crimes? I think not, we will soon enough find out, the wake up is coming.
Dane
