Baltic Pipeline Discussion (Current Events)

[FatPhil]

So it was Ukrainians all along then?
Rather convenient ...... (at least according to the evidence)

Convenient for whom?

And your starting with a "So ... " implies that my Oct 2025 post to which you were responding had introduced a new point that changed the discussion - it hadn't. We were discussing Ukraine as a, if not the most for several posters, serious contender all the way back in early 2023.

Please stop being oblique; if you are making a serious point that advances the discourse, I've not been able to extract it from your post.

 

[Kacmarek]

Yours happened

Convenient for whom?

And your starting with a "So ... " implies that my Oct 2025 post to which you were responding had introduced a new point that changed the discussion - it hadn't. We were discussing Ukraine as a, if not the most for several posters, serious contender all the way back in early 2023.

Please stop being oblique; if you are making a serious point that advances the discourse, I've not been able to extract it from your post.

Yours just happened to be the last post on this subject; "convenient" was not directed at you

It does seem that the "needle of suspicion" in this case has swung from Russia itself (false flag ops), US (Seymour Hersh's account, though excoriated here as it was without clinching evidence), to Ukraine (legal charges being framed after detailed investigations)

My question is also Cui Bono?
Could it be (obviously evidence has to be adduced), that the perfidious Ukrainian(s) were merely the executor and not the ultimate beneficiary?

 

[Mendel]

My question is also Cui Bono?
Could it be (obviously evidence has to be adduced), that the perfidious Ukrainian(s) were merely the executor and not the ultimate beneficiary?

The US are making up most of the shortfall of Russian gas imports into the EU, though I'd say that's mostly due to the sanctions, with the pipeline problem being a contributing factor at best.

Ukraine benefits from that, too.

 

[Oystein]

German news are saying today that the German federal attorney general (Generalbundesanwalt), Jens Rommel, has indicted the Ukrainian special forces officer Serhii K. in Hamburg where K. is in custody, for
- attacking civilian energy infrastructure ("a war crime")
- causing an explosion
- destroying a built structure

https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/anklage-nordstream-ukraine-russland-100.html

According to the article, the weight of evidence against him is overwhelming. Among other things, he made phone calls while still in Italy (where he was apprehended ast year) that were wiretapped, in which he incriminated himself. Also, his mobile phone is alleged to hold evidence linking him to the attack.

K.'s attorneys have applied for so-called "functional immunity", arguing that the gas pipes were important infrastructure in Russias war and thus a legitimate military target, and K. thus acting as a soldier. This application has been denied - and it, too, appears self-incriminating.
This is the same argument Poland has advanced to explain why they won't extradite a second suspect, a diver named Volodymyr S.

Apparently investigators were able to track the chain of responsibility to "state agancies" ("staatliche Stellen") in Kyiv, with the plot leader being the former Ukrainian secret service officer Roman Tschervinsky, with "insiders" claiming the "go" came from then army chief Valerij Saluschnyj. Whether President Zelenskyi was involved or knew about the plans is unknown.