awakening_lifeforce's take on the chemtrail theory

[Rico]

Zinc Cadmium Sulfide? Sprayers on top of cars and buildings? Smoke Screen? Plutonium Injections?

These don't even have anything to do with the claims and theories of chemtrails. The only thing that are even remotely similar are words like "sprayer" and "chemicals," and these are just words themselves.

You sir, should stop with the size 16+ fonts, settle down, and at least try your hand at a polite and civil debate. Preferably in another thread to keep it on topic.

 

[awakening_lifeforce]

(from http://aircrap.org/the-chemtrail-kook-worldwide-chemtrails-map/331204/)
Surface to Air Malfeasance April 17, 2011
Congratulations mate. You just pressed the "terrorist" button. So now you are labeling all the people who would dare to question any "experimentation or testing" being done in our atmosphere, terrorists? Wow, that would be to easy to shut everyone up wouldn't it? We know you shills are organized, and work very hard to distract newcomers from the truth. It only stands to reason that you and your ilk may very well be connected to the government as they are the ones not even bothering to address such easily dis-proven or "speculative" questioning. Maybe not all but perhaps you or some of your mentor "meteorological educated cohorts" are better educated in the fine arts of "steering" and "psychological ops." than actual meteorology?

"Could it be? Is there any truth to the fact that social conditioning is a coordinated effort by smaller groups that frequent chemtrail discussions? A conspiracy, if you will?
Welcome to the school of "Arguing for the sake of Arguing"
https://www.metabunk.org/content/129-A-Guide-to-Debunking
Just thought it may be of interest to those who would care to take a look inside the mindset of some of people who just can't get past the condition of normalcy bias.
Whether used as an entertainment hobby or in some instances, questionable objectives that have potential for financial incentives.
Lets take a look at some of our friends that call themselves "debunkers" otherwise known to us as shills, trolls (and even perhaps a few members of cointelpro steering ops?)that haunt anything on the net when the word chemtrail comes into discussion —— Na, couldn't be (sarcasm)."
https://www.metabunk.org/forums/9-Chemtrails

 

[awakening_lifeforce]

As has been asked previously, please show the clearest evidence of chemtrails that you have.

go look outside

 

[Pete Tar]

That's great Billzilla. And these are the actions you are defending:

Jesus gnome-punching Christ.
You actually think you've made a point don't you?

I'm sure Jesus is real proud of the awesome righteousness you display that we can only cower before because you're just speaking so much righteous truth and we are Satan's own cowards. Your reward will be waiting in the afterlife.

Any other crimes against humanity you want to accuse Mick or Billzilla of because they demonstrate an ability to understand the basics of meteorology and are able to discriminate between actual valid research and paranoid delusions that invent grand evils to be opposed to in the mistaken belief that that will make their author a hero and lift their existence out of the mundane impotent rage they constantly live with?
How about the illegal sex-trade - I'm sure understanding the difference between physics and fantasy means you really support human trafficking somewhere down the line?

 

[Mattnik]

go look outside

You know full well what members of metabunk mean by evidence and yet are continually unable to provide anything. Why? Ask yourself what actual evidence you've seen - not looking out the window, or some obscure youtube video but actual solid evidence.

 

[awakening_lifeforce]

Zinc Cadmium Sulfide? Sprayers on top of cars and buildings? Smoke Screen? Plutonium Injections?

These don't even have anything to do with the claims and theories of chemtrails. The only thing that are even remotely similar are words like "sprayer" and "chemicals," and these are just words themselves.

This is like saying that the guy holding a smoking gun with blood splatter on his shirt "doesn't even have anything to do with the" dead body he is standing over. Again, trying to prove to this to a disinformation representative is impossible by definition. All this "debate" is good for is honing debating skills to help to DE-program "UN-brainwash" future victims. All the psyops tactics used here follow exactly the psyops debunking manual you have posted.

 

[Mattnik]

Stop messing about. Make a claim, present evidence and then we can discuss it.

 

[awakening_lifeforce]

so you mean looking outside and seeing the tankers toggling the spray on and off, criss-crossing and blanketing our cities with a haze doesn't not represent evidence? it is not, as you say "actual solid evidence"? you keep asking me for evidence of something going on over your head every day. shall I next, sir, provide you with evidence of grass and trees? maybe sketches of them, or measurements of a hypothetical blade of grass... instead of just seeing the grass and admitting it's there? why do you resist the truth so much? what are you afraid of?

 

[awakening_lifeforce]

Stop messing about. Make a claim, present evidence and then we can discuss it.

whatever anyone brings up as evidence, this team of well-versed disinfo reps already has a step-by-step process of "debating" to the point of confusion to waste our time and energy. again, and again, and again, and now AGAIN I will say, all the proof is already out there that any rational person needs to know there is a coverup going on. i do not need to provide any further proof of anything, it's already all over the web, all over the world, and the debate is over in the real world among rational people who have done their research. chemtrails are almost common knowledge among many, even my co-workers and friends...random people I meet in the store. some people in my town have designed their own chemtrail t-shirts and are always working to bring this crisis to a peaceful ending. and in communities all over the world, the tide is turning

 

[Mattnik]

" the tankers toggling the spray on and off" See:



"criss-crossing" See:

​

 

[awakening_lifeforce]

Jesus gnome-punching Christ.
How about the illegal sex-trade - I'm sure understanding the difference between physics and fantasy means you really support human trafficking somewhere down the line?

Talk about OFF TOPIC

 

[Mattnik]

whatever anyone brings up as evidence, this team of well-versed disinfo reps already has a step-by-step process of "debating" to the point of confusion to waste our time and energy. again, and again, and again, and now AGAIN I will say, all the proof is already out there that any rational person needs to know there is a coverup going on. i do not need to provide any further proof of anything, it's already all over the web, all over the world, and the debate is over in the real world among rational people who have done their research. chemtrails are almost common knowledge among many, even my co-workers and friends...random people I meet in the store. some people in my town have designed their own chemtrail t-shirts and are always working to bring this crisis to a peaceful ending. and in communities all over the world, the tide is turning

This is because what's presented as evidence is never evidence of chemtrails. Simple as that. Your evidence is challenged, then you must show why the challenge isn't valid. Easy peasy. But this never happens - why is that?

 

[Pete Tar]

You managed to draw a bow to connect debunking the fallacies in chemtrails to enthusiastic support of invasive human experimentation, so much so that Mick is tossing and turning in his sleep tortured by the demons of his conscience and the horror of it.
That's insane.

 

[hemi]

whatever anyone brings up as evidence, this team of well-versed disinfo reps already has a step-by-step process of "debating" to the point of confusion to waste our time and energy.

I think the opposite is true. As per your previous post, with regards to 'criss-crossing trails', 'on-off trails', these are perfectly normal phenomenon, explained in relatively simple terms on this site and contrailscience. eg...

http://contrailscience.com/contrail-gaps-and-other-questions/
http://contrailscience.com/contrail-grids-are-not-chemtrail-grids/

Typically what happens is that a 'chemtrail' believer, having been confronted with scientific evidence that debunks their pet theory, then moves onto other areas (having not first acknowledged their mistake), also known as 'moving the goalposts'.

As Mattnik asks -- make a claim, present some evidence, and we'll go from there.

 

[Mick West]

Temp ban for AL. Cleanup in the morning.

 

[Jazzy]

A temporary ban certainly slackened my life-force.

 

[Billzilla]

"awakening_lifeforce
Banned"

Good.

 

[HappyMonday]

Temp ban for AL. Cleanup in the morning.

PROOF! You're a debate stifling disinfo agent! Bias confirmed!

 

[Jazzy]

Surface to Air Malfeasance - hatred - (sarcasm).

Oo.

So if these planes are full of lots of tanks with pipes between them to "spray outside", then why don't they simply use one tank? In the luggage bay?

 

[Jazzy]

I have to admit the single issue that galvanized my suspicion that some type of Chemtrail activity was possible was Congressional testimony and the US Code . . . sure human experimentation occurred . . . what made it stop?? Once behavior is uncovered, admitted to reluctantly, and laws changed in and around 1997 to prevent it in the future . . . should we believe this type of activity is over and done with from now on????

Great questions, George. I shan't answer them because you never answer mine.

"Galvanized your suspicion"? - "sure human experimentation occurred"? - "Behavior uncovered"? - "Admitted to"? - "this type of activity"? - are my questions, but answers aren't anticipated any time soon.

I shall just accept this as your rack of slander to join the above. Are you advocating violence against aircraft laying trails? Then why are you here?

 

[George B]

When government is not transparent people imagine all types of covert behavior being carried out in the name of expediency, national security, the greater good, etc . . . to Chemtrail adherents this is fertile ground for speculation. Since the science to dissuade the speculation is complex and dynamic the distance between fear and comforting knowledge is wide . . . while standing in chasm is the sinister "Powers that Be."

 

[Mattnik]

And even then, even if they is transparent there are plenty of people that will find a conspiracy anyway. See the release of the Obama's birth certificate and accusations of forging for example. Many people believe what they want and don't want that to be challenged s will make anything fit as is seen time and time again with CT proponents.

 

[Jazzy]

When government is not transparent people imagine all types of covert behavior being carried out in the name of expediency, national security, the greater good, etc . . . to Chemtrail adherents this is fertile ground for speculation. Since the science to dissuade the speculation is complex and dynamic the distance between fear and comforting knowledge is wide . . . while standing in chasm is the sinister "Powers that Be."

This thread is STICKY and entitled "Advocating violence against "Chemtrail" planes".

This is just to remind you that you have just posted two off-topic posts, which may well draw attention to the fact that your deliberate agenda of running block and derailing topics is once again quite apparent.

 

[George B]

And even then, even if they is transparent there are plenty of people that will find a conspiracy anyway. See the release of the Obama's birth certificate and accusations of forging for example. Many people believe what they want and don't want that to be challenged s will make anything fit as is seen time and time again with CT proponents.

Sure, it is normal behavior for people who feel disenfranchised . . . they feel they have no voice or power . . . for example, if one looks at the CT movement (same in the 911 conspiracies) . . . its major adherents seemed to originally be fringe Democrats pointing fingers at the Bush Administration now they have been replaced by the Republicans who oppose the Obama Administration . . . Lol!!!

 

[George B]

This thread is STICKY and entitled "Advocating violence against "Chemtrail" planes".

This is just to remind you that you have just posted two off-topic posts, which may well draw attention to the fact that your deliberate agenda of running block and derailing topics is once again quite apparent.

Please read #362 above . . .

 

[Mick West]

awakend_lifeforce, you've been unbanned, and may contribute to the discussion, providing you remain polite, and respond to criticism.

I've also tideos up your posts. If you wish to quote something, please do it selectively, and use

tags around it. I suggest you click the [A/A] button in the top left of the editor box to avoid the formatting issues you seemed to be having.

I've given you an avatar for clarity. Feel free to change it.

 

[Jay Reynolds]

Here are two points you tried to make which would have been very meaningful, if they were true:

Ex-millitary are coming out on interviews to confirm what we and many others already know. Chemtrail pilots and even entire governments are whstleblowing as of late.

Not true at all. If it were, you could make headlines, but you don't because it's just your fantasy.

No amount of deception and debate can convince us as a tanker flies overhead dumping poison on us.

Not true at all. If it were, you could have shown us highly detailed photos, but you don't because someone just told you they were tankers, and you believed them.

Come back when you've got something new to put on the table, Kook (not a pejorative but I think that's the handle you used last time you were here.)

 

[Rico]

This is like saying that the guy holding a smoking gun with blood splatter on his shirt "doesn't even have anything to do with the" dead body he is standing over. Again, trying to prove to this to a disinformation representative is impossible by definition. All this "debate" is good for is honing debating skills to help to DE-program "UN-brainwash" future victims. All the psyops tactics used here follow exactly the psyops debunking manual you have posted.

*face palm*

So what's the connection between the unrelated snippets you posted and chemtrails?

You see, the real disinformation here is that you are unreceptive to questions and resort to straight baseless accusations. You try to link A & B without explaining the bridge at all. That is the injustice of information. On top of that, you are being rude about it.

Talking about it isn't all that hard

 

[MikeC]

Quote Originally Posted by Belfrey

What is this hard data that shows alarming increases in certain chemicals from spraying?

I don't have time to post the 13+ years of data that researchers have made available.

You don't have to post the data - you can post links, or identify the publications

When I was younger we had to use books to find things out, but now we have google and internet, so if you are seeking this hard data, it's not hard to find at all. Go to www.google.com or your favorite search engine.
Have a HAARPY Day!

And what terms should we enter to find this data?

All the searches I have ever tried so far have not found it - all I ever get is false data, misinterpretations and outright lies supporting the chemtrail myth.

 

[Jazzy]

posters playing psyops 101 with me.

How different would your analysis be if if you discovered these people were disparate individuals spread throughout the west who had never ever met?

I'll answer because you won't. That's what we are. We have never met, but share a common interest, which is that of the truth. It is quite often an interest in science itself, but also a desire to see that rules of logic and debate are adhered to, in order to further the truth and diminish harm within society by demolishing lies created within it.

"Posters playing psyops 101 with me" is the way you will always describe us, until you make some effort to deprogram yourself of the lies you have already allowed someone to instil in you.

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

You are a liar. We are people who have never met. Continue.

 

[Mattnik]

Indeed. I eventually found my way here after several friends became interested in chemtrails, and noticing a lot of other people I know were sharing obviously wrong information on Facebook.

Anyway if people are shills or not the facts still stand, no?

 

[MikeC]

Apparently not. Facts posted by shills are not true, or at best are designed to lure you into a false sense of trust so they can then spring disinfo on you - if a shill says the sun rises in the east you can be sure it is part of a COINTELPRO programme that will eventually deceive you.

Seriously - you get that sort of response all over the net for "daring" to post factual information.

Either that you you get banned and censored where they can.

 

[Jazzy]

you get banned and censored where they can.

And lied about, a false post-history created for you. The works. On YT false DMCAs, anything they can smear you with.

The justification for this despicable behavior is that YOU are responsible for their state of mind.

It's quite a shock, the first time, that they go for YOU, when you were only going for the argument. But you soon get used to it.

 

[thingsmac]

awakening_lifeforce > you are the man/woman.

Booyah!!!

BTW- whenever someone speaks in absolutes about chemtrails (not existing), they are actually just trying to close the discussion; even if the overwhelming evidence presented is ignored, downplayed, denied & pooh-poohed- the fact remains they are still not open to the possibility of it having all happened post-their-stating that.
Yet they will continue to conclude (deny, downplay, pooh-pooh, etc) the reality/possibility of chemicals being sprayed from planes.

How much evidence is enough, for the skeptic who's set in their mind, lol?
Let's not burn ourselves out trying to convince them.


"If you are not willing to learn
No one can help you
If you are determined to learn
No one can stop you."

 

[Jay Reynolds]

awakening_lifeforce > you are the man/woman.

Booyah!!!

BTW- whenever someone speaks in absolutes about chemtrails (not existing), they are actually just trying to close the discussion; even if the overwhelming evidence presented is ignored, downplayed, denied & pooh-poohed- the fact remains they are still not open to the possibility of it having all happened post-their-stating that.
Yet they will continue to conclude (deny, downplay, pooh-pooh, etc) the reality/possibility of chemicals being sprayed from planes.

How much evidence is enough, for the skeptic who's set in their mind, lol?
Let's not burn ourselves out trying to convince them.


"If you are not willing to learn
No one can help you
If you are determined to learn
No one can stop you."

The best evidence that awakening_lifeforce had was:

go look outside

You found that impressive, did you?

I just did that and guess what, no evidence of chemtrails at all.

 

[George B]

awakening_lifeforce > you are the man/woman.

Booyah!!!

BTW- whenever someone speaks in absolutes about chemtrails (not existing), they are actually just trying to close the discussion; even if the overwhelming evidence presented is ignored, downplayed, denied & pooh-poohed- the fact remains they are still not open to the possibility of it having all happened post-their-stating that.
Yet they will continue to conclude (deny, downplay, pooh-pooh, etc) the reality/possibility of chemicals being sprayed from planes.

How much evidence is enough, for the skeptic who's set in their mind, lol?
Let's not burn ourselves out trying to convince them.


"If you are not willing to learn
No one can help you
If you are determined to learn
No one can stop you."

Man made clouds on their own are not evidence of skulduggery. . . why do you think these clouds are found only where long haul aviation is found cruising above 30,000 feet?

 

[JRBids]

I believe they are spraying something.

Who?

I believe they are spraying something.

What evidence is that?

They just started doing that after 1995?

Just started doing what in 1995? Testing planes for load?

Things have changed alot, and water and soil tests show that something is going on.

I think a test an actual trail might be better to do than soil or water, where anything can have blown into/on it.

The fake clouds are affecting the incoming light,

How can you tell a cloud is fake?

Communities have been proposing legislation about this, and I hope they continue to.

What communities are proposing legislation?

 

[Pete]

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

John 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Rev 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Just to clarify, were you quoting religious 'stuff' for a reason?

 

[justanairlinepilot]

awakening_lifeforce > you are the man/woman.

Booyah!!!

BTW- whenever someone speaks in absolutes about chemtrails (not existing), they are actually just trying to close the discussion; even if the overwhelming evidence presented is ignored, downplayed, denied & pooh-poohed- the fact remains they are still not open to the possibility of it having all happened post-their-stating that.
Yet they will continue to conclude (deny, downplay, pooh-pooh, etc) the reality/possibility of chemicals being sprayed from planes.

How much evidence is enough, for the skeptic who's set in their mind, lol?
Let's not burn ourselves out trying to convince them.


"If you are not willing to learn
No one can help you
If you are determined to learn
No one can stop you."

If you walked a day in my shoes, you'd realize your inaccurate perceptions.