Avi Loeb announced to lead new "UAP Science Advisory Council" for White House

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According to Avi Loeb's Medium post from yesterday, he has been tasked with the creation of a new "UAP Science Advisory Council".

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The three UAP file releases thus far attracted more than a billion views and a lot of chatter on social media. However, to paraphrase the wisdom of basketball players: "we must keep our eyes on the orbs, not the audience!"

What could be a better way of doing that than the establishment of a new "UAP Science Advisory Council" by the White House, AARO, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), the FBI, and all Intelligence Community members. This is not wishful thinking but a reality now. Over the past week, I was tasked by the above organizations to create a research team of young scientists who will serve on this council. The Council under my leadership includes the following members: Dr. Richard Cloete and Dr. Regina Sarmiento with expertise in data analysis and data management with AI tools, Dr. Tim Gallaudet with expertise in oceanography, Prof. Matthew Szydagis with expertise in instrumentation and data collection, Dr. Devesh Nandal with expertise in numerical analysis and astrophysics, Prof. Peter Skafish with expertise in anthropology, Dr. Michael Shermer with expertise in studying anomalies, Dr. Jennice Vilhauer with expertise inn quantitative psychology, and Dr. Omer Eldadi with expertise in data management, AI and human psychology. This constitutes an amazing A-team of exceptional scientists.

All Council members look forward to assisting the U.S. government agencies in figuring out the nature of UAPs. Our time will not be wasted because at the very least — we will promote national security.
Source: https://avi-loeb.medium.com/a-uap-science-advisory-council-to-the-u-s-f7262e57b0df

No further information is present in the article about the duties of the council or data it will have access to. I haven't found any official government announcement of the council yet.

No offense to Dr. Shermer, but Mick would be a better addition to the council.
 
According to Avi Loeb's Medium post from yesterday, he has been tasked with the creation of a new "UAP Science Advisory Council".

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Over the past week, I was tasked by the above organizations to create a research team of young scientists who will serve on this council. The Council under my leadership includes the following members: Dr. Richard Cloete and Dr. Regina Sarmiento [... FX:Record Scratch]

The only time I've encountered Cloete's and Sarmiento's names has been on Loeb's blog in connection with his Galileo Project - so is this just Avi and his buds?

EDIT: I googled the next but one name on the list (TG's a well known entity), and this was one of the top hits: https://ufofest.com/matthew-szydagis/ - the URL says everything you need to know, but if you really demand a quote, then how about:
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Professor Szydagis has patents pending on small-scale nuclear reactor technology for UAP attraction. He has also been featured in the UFO documentary A Tear in the Sky, produced and directed by Caroline Cory with UAlbany Professor Kevin Knuth
EDIT2: next guy - not just a "bud", but "my postdoc Devesh Nandal" --
Source: https://avi-loeb.medium.com/evidence-for-the-first-generation-of-stars-dd353be7da95
 
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Fair enough but how many of the PhDs on his current list would have had the idea of building SITREC?
I'm not saying their rationale is correct. But someone with a PhD is a more defensible choice than someone without (when you are defending your choice to someone who writes checks, but isn't really that familiar with the topic). Unfortunately, the credentials are not particularly relevant here. Shermer has a PhD in the history of science. He's more vocally opposed to the ETH than I am, so I'm not sure why they picked him.
 
I'm not saying their rationale is correct. But someone with a PhD is a more defensible choice than someone without (when you are defending your choice to someone who writes checks, but isn't really that familiar with the topic). Unfortunately, the credentials are not particularly relevant here. Shermer has a PhD in the history of science. He's more vocally opposed to the ETH than I am, so I'm not sure why they picked him.
Shermer is the token skeptic on the Galleo Project and has a standing bet with Avi that we will not have proof of alien civilization before 2030. He's also not that confrontational these days so they get along.
 
According to Avi Loeb's Medium post from yesterday, he has been tasked with the creation of a new "UAP Science Advisory Council".

External Quote:
The three UAP file releases thus far attracted more than a billion views and a lot of chatter on social media. However, to paraphrase the wisdom of basketball players: "we must keep our eyes on the orbs, not the audience!"

What could be a better way of doing that than the establishment of a new "UAP Science Advisory Council" by the White House, AARO, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), the FBI, and all Intelligence Community members. This is not wishful thinking but a reality now. Over the past week, I was tasked by the above organizations to create a research team of young scientists who will serve on this council. The Council under my leadership includes the following members: Dr. Richard Cloete and Dr. Regina Sarmiento with expertise in data analysis and data management with AI tools, Dr. Tim Gallaudet with expertise in oceanography, Prof. Matthew Szydagis with expertise in instrumentation and data collection, Dr. Devesh Nandal with expertise in numerical analysis and astrophysics, Prof. Peter Skafish with expertise in anthropology, Dr. Michael Shermer with expertise in studying anomalies, Dr. Jennice Vilhauer with expertise inn quantitative psychology, and Dr. Omer Eldadi with expertise in data management, AI and human psychology. This constitutes an amazing A-team of exceptional scientists.

All Council members look forward to assisting the U.S. government agencies in figuring out the nature of UAPs. Our time will not be wasted because at the very least — we will promote national security.
Source: https://avi-loeb.medium.com/a-uap-science-advisory-council-to-the-u-s-f7262e57b0df

No further information is present in the article about the duties of the council or data it will have access to. I haven't found any official government announcement of the council yet.

No offense to Dr. Shermer, but Mick would be a better addition to the council.
I wonder how the term"team of young scientists" is being interpreted? What are the ages of this group? Or are they going to be doing the selecting of "young scientists" to do the heavy lifting.
I also wonder exactly what they intend to do? Just do more collecting of videos of fuzzy dots? Or write more interpretations of what those fuzzy dots mean?
There are a lot of directions a group like this could go. One would be to collect the name of people who are accused of being part of the "deep state coverup" and shouting at them to confess all in Congressional hearings. Or just hire lots of "UFO experts" at outrageous salaries (who just happen to be friends and relatives of the members of the board).
 
I don't see this as good news from any sort of "disclosure" perspective.

This almost seems like a delay tactic again: appoint a group, investigate, provide feedback.

Unless, this Board (who has no formal mandate/responsibilities/website that I can find) is going to be the mouth piece for "disclosure", but still it's going to take months for anything to come from this. We're somehow taking steps forward but not moving anywhere.

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I actually quite like this idea. Some of the James Webb results are unexpected, and new hypotheses are required to explain them. Loeb may be completely off the mark, but this hypothesis seems reasonable at first glance. It explains the early formation of supermassive black holes, and the appearance of various 'red spots' in the early universe.

It is premature to expect it to be the right one, however.
 
I actually quite like this idea. Some of the James Webb results are unexpected, and new hypotheses are required to explain them. Loeb may be completely off the mark, but this hypothesis seems reasonable at first glance. It explains the early formation of supermassive black holes, and the appearance of various 'red spots' in the early universe.

It is premature to expect it to be the right one, however.
That he's capable of good work just makes it more disappointing that he wastes time on alien spaceship claims.
 
I actually quite like this idea. Some of the James Webb results are unexpected, and new hypotheses are required to explain them. Loeb may be completely off the mark, but this hypothesis seems reasonable at first glance. It explains the early formation of supermassive black holes, and the appearance of various 'red spots' in the early universe.

It is premature to expect it to be the right one, however.
My comment was unconnected to the science of their joint paper, it was about them being buds, I thought that was clear.

I look forward to the docudrama on how he got the group together...

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzOHq5WbQ8k

WIth a CGI Carrie Fisher featuring as Villaroel, hopefully.
 
Shermer's Skeptic magazine published a press release about his nomination that includes a short bio of each nominee.

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Full list of appointees, alphabetized by last name:

  • Dr. Richard Cloete — Galileo Project postdoctoral fellow trained at the University of Cambridge, specializing in AI-driven data analysis tools, appointed to the council to lead data analysis and AI methodology.
  • Dr. Tim Gallaudet — oceanographer and former Acting NOAA Administrator and Rear Admiral, contributing oceanographic expertise to the council's analysis of maritime UAP encounters.
  • Dr. Devesh Nandal — researcher in numerical analysis and astrophysics, recruited to apply computational modeling techniques to UAP phenomena.
  • Prof. Garry Nolan — Stanford pathology professor and molecular biologist, co-founder of the Sol Foundation, bringing expertise in molecular biology and materials science to anomaly investigations.
  • Dr. Omer Eldadi — specialist combining data management, AI, and human psychology, appointed to handle the council's data infrastructure and the human-factors side of UAP reporting.
  • Dr. Avi Loeb — Harvard theoretical physicist, founder of the Galileo Project, former chair of Harvard's astronomy department, and bestselling author of Extraterrestrial.
  • Dr. Regina Sarmiento — Galileo Project researcher whose work focuses on AI-assisted data analysis and management, joining the council to apply machine-learning techniques to UAP data.
  • Dr. Michael Shermer — founder and publisher of Skeptic magazine, longtime science communicator known for applying critical-thinking and anomaly-investigation methods, including a public wager with Avi Loeb over alien-technology disclosure.
  • Prof. Peter Skafish — cultural anthropologist and co-founder of the Sol Foundation with a PhD from UC Berkeley, author of Rough Metaphysics, bringing an anthropological lens to how humans might interpret nonhuman intelligence.
  • Prof. Matthew Szydagis — physicist specializing in instrumentation and detector technology, appointed to lead instrumentation and data-collection methods for the council.
  • Dr. Jennice Vilhauer — psychologist, developer of Future Directed Therapy and author of Think Forward to Thrive, joining to study the psychological impact of potential disclosure on the public.
https://web.archive.org/web/2026061...-to-white-house-uap-science-advisory-council/
 
There does seem to be a pattern... Garry Nolan and Peter Skafish from Sol Foundation, Matthew Szydagis from UAPx. Loeb's colleagues. Shermer as the token skeptic
 
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Shermer as the token skeptic
But is he really? He's always struck me as just a person who'd made his mind up, but then who flipped to making his mind up in a different way.

Shermer thinks that "aliens are sky gods for skeptics" - does he even know what a skeptic is?

03:50 here:
Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8EKSXzCDmAI

I hope he reels that back, it could have been a bad spontanious word-choice as he was speaking unscripted, but it was a bit of an embarrassing slip, IMHO. And why did he consider the files drop "disappointing" (00:30, 00:50)? I found it quite satisfying, personally. I suspected they had nothing of interest, they released nothing of interest, that tells me that my evaluation of the situation, and by association the participants, was an accurate one. Why would I be disappointed at that?
 
And why did he consider the files drop "disappointing" (00:30, 00:50)? I found it quite satisfying, personally. I suspected they had nothing of interest, they released nothing of interest, that tells me that my evaluation of the situation, and by association the participants, was an accurate one. Why would I be disappointed at that?
I've watched just the first half of this so far. I think it's quite clear that he used the term "disappointing" in the context of "people in the government promised us that UFOs are real" (paraphrase). It's exactly the term I'd have chosen.
 
But is he really? He's always struck me as just a person who'd made his mind up, but then who flipped to making his mind up in a different way.

Shermer thinks that "aliens are sky gods for skeptics" - does he even know what a skeptic is?

03:50 here:
Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8EKSXzCDmAI

I hope he reels that back, it could have been a bad spontanious word-choice as he was speaking unscripted, but it was a bit of an embarrassing slip, IMHO. And why did he consider the files drop "disappointing" (00:30, 00:50)? I found it quite satisfying, personally. I suspected they had nothing of interest, they released nothing of interest, that tells me that my evaluation of the situation, and by association the participants, was an accurate one. Why would I be disappointed at that?

He's adopted "sky gods" as one of several stock phrases to keep the conversation moving in his weekly show. As he originally introduced it a few years ago it was a conjecture about rising belief in ET/NHIs replacing traditional religious beliefs/things believed without empirical evidence. Replace "skeptics" with "agnostics" and you get a better sense of his original usage. But he does occasionally respond to email inquiries so you can try asking him.

Consider that in order to do his weekly show he has to maintain at least the form of a fair hearing to get controversial authors to agree to an appearance. During the I/1 Oumuamua event, he got Avi to admit on air that there was no real evidence that it was anything other than an extrasolar comet.

tl;dr - He's in my age group and forgets that people who aren't regular listeners won't know the stock phrases he's adopted over the years, some from his own books.
 
We might be veering slightly off-topic, here. But I hope this will clarify things enough so we can move back to the original topic.

Indeed this is one of Shermer's "stock phrases" to introduce topics and, as @Gary C said above, to keep conversations going.

AFAIK, he got this idea, or at least he sort of "polished it", during his 2020 (holy s*, this was over 6 years ago, already!?) interview with Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka, author of American Cosmic: UFOs, Religion, Technology. Link.

Here's a summary of Gemini's reply about this:

The Podcast Episode

  • Show: The Michael Shermer Show (originally released under his Science Salon banner)
  • Episode Number: #105
  • Title: "Diana Pasulka — American Cosmic: UFOs, Religion, Technology"
  • Release Date: February 25, 2020

The Book

  • Title: American Cosmic: UFOs, Religion, Technology
  • Author: Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka

The Core Idea: "Sky Gods for Skeptics"

Dr. Pasulka is a professor of religious studies, and her book details a six-year ethnographic study of mainstream scientists, Silicon Valley entrepreneurs, and high-level professionals who harbor a deep belief in extraterrestrial intelligence.

During this conversation, she and Shermer explicitly map out how modern media and technology are supplanting traditional religions. For secular individuals who reject supernatural doctrines, the idea of highly advanced, biologically or technologically superior aliens can step in to fill that exact same existential void. The official episode outline explicitly highlights this theme:

Discussion Topic: UFOs as Sky Gods for Skeptics; aliens as deities for atheists, and the rise of the "Nones" (the religiously unaffiliated).
Shermer loved this framing so much that he previously wrote a Scientific American column under the exact title "Sky Gods for Skeptics," and has since woven the concept into his broader literature on how humans determine what is true. It is a great episode if you want to look at the UFO phenomenon through a psychological and sociological lens rather than a purely conspiratorial one!

So, while I agree that calling UFO nuts "skeptics" is missing the mark entirely, if we just understand what he means by it and where he's coming from, I think we can let this one go. Also, lots of skeptics are interested in extraterrestrial life, we just don't think that they're here, or that contact has been made yet.

And... About getting back to the original topic.

Instead of having a bunch of believers and crackpots with a token skeptic or two, it should have been the other way around. It's skeptics that have good track history of finding out what these things are.

Loeb has a history of making fantastic claims with little evidence and then becoming enraged and throwing fits when people point out the many ways in which he's wrong. And then, as more evidence emerges that reinforce how wrong he is, he spins it upside down and still holds on to his fantastic claims. There aren't many people who have been shown to be less capable than he is to lead such a project. Except for most Ufologists.

Any sensible administration, that cares about reason, would... Well, they wouldn't create such a council, but if Congress forced their hand, or something, they should choose skeptics and actual scientists, with maybe a couple token believers to shake things up.
 
Instead of having a bunch of believers and crackpots with a token skeptic or two, it should have been the other way around. It's skeptics that have good track history of finding out what these things are.

Whilst I agree with you on this, it is our biased opinion. Many ufo-fans don't accept the multitude of prosaic explanations that have been presented. For every tweet that Mick puts out showing that something is starlink / ISS/ balloons / planes / Chinese lanterns there are 50 posts rejecting his explanation due to his refusal to accept the overwhelming evidence as they see it. My prediction is this is what will happen with Shermer if and when he is asked to review evidence or analysis presented by the rest of the council - It will be convincing to them, but not to him.
 
Has there been any official announcement ? Not that I think Mr Loeb would get trolled like the community with alien.gov but who knows with the social media Presidents.
 
Whilst I agree with you on this, it is our biased opinion. Many ufo-fans don't accept the multitude of prosaic explanations that have been presented. For every tweet that Mick puts out showing that something is starlink / ISS/ balloons / planes / Chinese lanterns there are 50 posts rejecting his explanation due to his refusal to accept the overwhelming evidence as they see it. My prediction is this is what will happen with Shermer if and when he is asked to review evidence or analysis presented by the rest of the council - It will be convincing to them, but not to him.
As much a fan of recognizing our biases and blind spots as I am. I really have to ask.
Is it really biased if it tracks with reality?

How many times has this story played out?
Witness is filming that way and sees something in the sky.
UFO nut goes "Oh my god, it's a UFO! They are here!"
Skeptic goes "Well, if we take a look at flight history data, we can use these software tools to check that a person standing exactly at that position facing exacly that way, would see that airplane exactly at that azimuth. I think we can all agree that this has been solved."
UFO nut goes "Nu-huh! Why are you against Disclosure?!?! Such closed minded!"
Am I being biased by siding with the skeptic, here?

Not saying every case is solved, some just have fairly reasonable hypotheses based on what little information is available.
But out of every case that has left the LIZ and has been solved, it has mostly been done by skeptics.
 
@Gaspa well the most robust empirical result of ~80 years of UFO research is that under similar observing conditions, individual humans have a high propensity to make the same errors of observation, interpretation, and attribution that humans have previously been demonstrated to have made in those circumstances. So far the numbers are on the side of the skeptics.
 
Is it really biased if it tracks with reality?
Well said!

There remains a body of UFO believers who do not (or refuse to) understand the evidence even when it is presented to them. Their fallback is either complete denial or "whataboutism", where other unrelated sightings are dragged out although they have no relevance to the current case. I think we have to accept that they exist, but they're "not our problem". They make a mockery of UFOlogy as a whole, and if there really exist any serious researchers, they're the ones who need to see our findings. The others seem to be lost causes as far as any meaningful discussion goes.
 
@jumbobob I think it was not a joke or a rhetorical question by Mendel. When?
The intro didn't help me, then I skipped to two different places where he talked about something other than tracking aliens, and then I lost patience. I'm not motivated to hunt up the transcript, either.

I really do need a time code if you want me to know. It's the least you (jumbobob) can do if you don't want to expend the effort on transcribing the relevant part.
 
The intro didn't help me, then I skipped to two different places where he talked about something other than tracking aliens, and then I lost patience. I'm not motivated to hunt up the transcript, either.

I really do need a time code if you want me to know. It's the least you (jumbobob) can do if you don't want to expend the effort on transcribing the relevant part.

You can watch the video if you're interested or not, up to you :)
 
You can watch the video if you're interested or not, up to you :)
Normally, stuff that is posted here is done with the intent of communicating/sharing a point, idea or bit of information. To do that, we do what we can to make itveasy for one another to get to the bit of a source that is the bit we are trying to share.

You did not say what the point was, and now don't want to point us to where it is in the video... do you not want us to know what you are sharing? That seems... odd.
 
Instead of having a bunch of believers and crackpots with a token skeptic or two, it should have been the other way around. It's skeptics that have good track history of finding out what these things are.
Whilst I agree with you on this, it is our biased opinion. Many ufo-fans don't accept the multitude of prosaic explanations that have been presented. For every tweet that Mick puts out showing that something is starlink / ISS/ balloons / planes / Chinese lanterns there are 50 posts rejecting his explanation due to his refusal to accept the overwhelming evidence as they see it. My prediction is this is what will happen with Shermer if and when he is asked to review evidence or analysis presented by the rest of the council - It will be convincing to them, but not to him.
As much a fan of recognizing our biases and blind spots as I am. I really have to ask.
Is it really biased if it tracks with reality?


How many times has this story played out? Am I being biased by siding with the skeptic, here?

Not saying every case is solved, some just have fairly reasonable hypotheses based on what little information is available.
But out of every case that has left the LIZ and has been solved, it has mostly been done by skeptics.

@Gaspa - I was kinda playing devils advocate here in recognizing that many of our resolutions aren't proven and that many people disagree with our position. The skeptics' biases make them believe the simplest, conservative, most likely, least extraordinary answers that match the data they assess to be valid. UAP-spotters like to think that they have seen the extraordinary evidence, or have heard reports of events that left no evidence, and that leads them to believe they have found a needle in the haystack of prosaic sightings - and that is their bias. Each group also believes the other one is too blind to see the truth. This is a real problem - two diametrically opposed mindsets and methods of assessing data.

This UAP council is made up entirely of believers - ten who believe they have the answers, and one who believes he has a different answer. It will be interesting to see how this uneven weighting pans out in their conclusions.
 
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