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  1. Joe

    Joe Senior Member

    Iv seen that video some time ago , Most people on the right Mocked it as well ,
     
  2. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    on an upnote, the left hates Google now too :) so it's all good.

    Can you imagine moderating those platforms with everyone crying about everything. If it was me, I'd be like "you know what? i'm not your mother. Figure it out yourself (obviously threats and actual illegal stuff would just get removed). And Advertisers, either tell me which genres you want to advertise on or screw off"
     
  3. Agent K

    Agent K Active Member

    I remember back when YouTube was first created in 2005 there was a right-wing extremist whose channel and videos would get taken down quickly, so he created dozens of accounts and kept re-uploading videos, and is probably still doing it.
     
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  4. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    they have designed something that can sniff out reuploaded videos, but its pretty easy to get around. And with these new VPNs everyone is using just makes policing another 1000x harder.
     
  5. Agent K

    Agent K Active Member

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  6. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    I think he invested in To the Stars Academy. In my youtube recommendations i've seem him talking about the TTSA ufo footage a lot.. as he does in that clip too. Nick Pope "UFO expert" says he has no idea what it is. He sas its fascinating and he's gonna analyze it over the next few weeks. :) 35 mins

    Source: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7b8pw2
     
  7. Joe

    Joe Senior Member

    meanwhile over on CNN Don Lemon is still looking for the Plane that disappeared into a Black Hole .I believe Both Tucker and Don Lemon is opinion not news .Out of that whole show is that all you watched ?
     
  8. Agent K

    Agent K Active Member

    I didn't watch it. I tried to find out what camera was used to film Area 51, and came across that screenshot.
     
  9. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    and you should screenshot the water tower and include the channel name "adventures with Chris". This is a debunking site after all and other readers are unlikely to click your "video" hyperlink. Mostly because that shot on TC is not clear, there is no way for readers to know you are linking to the original "Adventures with Chris" footage of the "UFO".
     
  10. Agent K

    Agent K Active Member

    This just in. I don't look for these things, they just keep popping up.

    Former Fox News reporter leaves network over ‘partisan misinformation’
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/f...twork-over-partisan-misinformation-2019-06-25
     
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  11. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    maybe if the left ( newsmedia, Hollywood, tv, school programs) didn't do such a good job normalizing extreme partisan activism, people might care if Fox News did it too.
     
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  12. Agent K

    Agent K Active Member

    Like this?

    [​IMG]
     
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  13. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    I know you think you're making a point. But you're really not.
     
  14. Agent K

    Agent K Active Member

  15. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    in my experience all internet activity, whether you're googling or using social media.. they just give you more of whatever you looked at or commented on. Which makes sense, clicks make money. If they show you things you aren't gonna click on, no one makes money.

    I think education of how commercialism on the internet works, is super important. Google (FB, etc) doesn't exist because they want the world to be more informed, they are there to make money.
     
  16. Joe

    Joe Senior Member

    Yea we know all those networks are not partisan at all ? :rolleyes: This is a pointless Thread !
     
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  17. Agent K

    Agent K Active Member

    The above MediaBiasChart shows the partisan spread. I'd shift a lot of the "neutral" media into the "skews left" column, and I'd like to see more high quality media in the "neutral" and "skews right" column. It's funny how the "skews right" column includes trashy tabloids like The Daily Mail and The National Enquirer.
     
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  18. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    :) MB is about providing data for people "on the fence" or who are sober enough to honestly consider alternative viewpoints and honest context. Did you really think you were gonna "win" an argument against people that think her documentary is sober and useful? Be reasonable.
     
  19. Agent K

    Agent K Active Member

    You talked me out of spending money and time on that documentary.
     
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  20. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    I didnt even know the National Enquirer (does it still exist) did news pieces, I thought it was all "My girlfriend had an alien baby" type stuff [ET alien babies, not people from other countries]
     
  21. Agent K

    Agent K Active Member

    No, that's Weekly World News. The National Enquirer is the one that's owned by Trump's friend who paid off Trump's mistress to kill her story. Trump praised their coverage of John Edwards' affair, and quoted their conspiracy theory about Ted Cruz's dad's involvement in the JFK assassination.
     
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  22. Agent K

    Agent K Active Member

    It must be the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon. Like, I stumbled upon the Tucker Carlson Area 51 screenshot by chance, and would've ignored it if not for this thread. Here's another example. The Metabunk thread on whether the AIDS crisis was overblown reminded me of the book The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS, authored by Michael Fumento who wrote a lot about moral panics. So I visit his website to see what he's been up to, and what do I find there?
    "My Break With the Extreme Right", 2012
    http://fumento.com/media/extreme_right.html
    This wasn't recommended to me by some algorithm. I just randomly stumbled upon it.
     
  23. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    It was actually pretty informative if your brain is in the right mode. It's basically the story of the rise of Donald Trump... history repeating itself. Backlash against communism and social changes etc.

    I learned about the Hardhat riots, which i don't recall ever hearing about before
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_Hat_Riot


    yea that sounds about right.
    DgVHK4cWAAAAP7X (1).
     
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  24. Agent K

    Agent K Active Member

    It's the April 1 edition. Those stories look more like Weekly World News.
     
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  25. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    That definitely happens too. But I have been experimenting with social media and even my msn news feed, and they really do give me more of what i've clicked on. You can try it. Like now my msn (browser home page) feed is giving me all fluff pieces because the last week i've been clicking on articles about miley cyrus and meghan markle etc. This is just as far as highlighted recommendations, obviously you can still scroll more to find other real content.
     
  26. Agent K

    Agent K Active Member

    I think you can tell MSN which topics you're interested in, but not which news sources you prefer. You can tell Google News both your preferred topics and sources. Yahoo News allows comments, so it can't individualize too much, or there won't be enough people commenting on a story.
     
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  27. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    but they do seem to remember, or your browser tracks you. I did a brief experiment with Fox News articles a while back, I was only rarely rarely getting them as a source, so I made it a point to click on them more often and then I got them as a source more often.

    I don't have a problem with any of this, the platforms are designed to get you to click and engage. So obviously they want to provide you with stuff you are interested in. So far my youtube experiment ( a few weeks) is confirming echo chamber suggestions for the most part and i'm not seeing any conservative bias as far as recommendations.
     
  28. middy12

    middy12 New Member

    long time occasional lurker but this video finally made me want to make account and leave a reply. but this one made my blood boil. conservative brainwashing because of the conservative talk radio? has she not seen 99% of news, magazines, tv shows, movies, "celebrities," science talks, comedians, education, extra and their massive far-left brainwashing? and she wants to complain about the few outlets for right-wingers? i'm only 29 but the large amount of brainwashing i endured growing up in k-12 and college is insane. example, i believe in climate change, i just don't believe the overall impact they claim is real that the end is near and only have 10 years unless we do near overnight changes. i'm skeptic of that part. but you know how many times i was called to my face on campus by other students a climate change denier and ridiculed because i simply didn't believe a certain aspect of it? this was only 4 years ago before trump got elected. yeah, please, tell me its only the right-wing media that's brainwashing.

    look everyone is trying to brainwash, manipulate, and control people. people always want to try to convert others to join their tribe, and more importantly, tribes will always try to destroy other tribes who are competeing against their tribe. and this lady is no different. she's not trying to defeat "brainwashing." she's trying to destroy the right-wing to allow her tribe to go unchallenged against and reign surpreme. not everyone is "hitler" because they watch fox news and listen to rush limbaugh. just like not everyone is glorious josphen stalin wanting to reign in a USSR one party system by asbording media from cnn, msnbc, nbc, abc, cbs, E! channel, comedy central, sfyfy, logo, black entertainment channel, the young terks, contrapoints, destiny, magic the gathering (wizards of the coast), games done quick, blizzard entertainment (banning a player for doing the OK symbol in a competition), EA/DICE, comic-con, SPLC (remember, OK symbol is a white nationalist symbol along with a green fog), new york times, public education system, TED talks, google, apple, twitter, vogue, youtube, washington post, the view, NPR, chapotraphouse/againsthatesubreddits/politics/ extra on reddit, reddit as a whole, mediamatters, thinkprogress, shareblue, open societies, to many non-profits to name, antifa, motherjones, jezebel, buzzfeed, most gaming "journalist" websites, vox, vice, slate, most netflix orginals, gillete ads, bernie sanders, bill nye, the list goes on and on.

    [Moderator edit: long videos with no description, timestamps removed per Link Policy. ]


    but i digress, its the right who has gone to far to the extreme. gone so far to the extreme it has mostly stayed stable after nearly 20 years. with 2016 ironically heading back towards the left. but man has the left gone off to the deep end. but hey, like the NYT stated in this article (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/26/opinion/sunday/republican-platform-far-right.html) has an excellent graph showing how the left has gone so far off the rails (photo of graph also uploaded here: [​IMG] but I guess still the right in the US, even though it hasn't changed much in nearly 20 years, has gone far right because other right-wing parties around the world, that have historically been more left compared to the US, is more left like it traditionally has been. Like nyt tries to imply.


    Source: https://youtu.be/FvGXowONrz8
    <-- tim pools excellent video showing how democrats are now not even considering themselves democrats anymore for how far off the rails they have gone. long but a good one. Also sources that nyt article.

    ugh. when i was growing up i considered myself left-wing because of the fundamental chrisitans of the right, for example, told me pokemon was evil as it promoted evolution. but now its the left that has gone off its rails telling me i'm a crazy right-winger because i don't think the world is ending in 10 years and even though i support abortion, i don't support abortion on 9 month delivery day. instead i support up to 6 months because i don't believe at 8 months its a lump of cells that doens't look like a human. i was born at 8 months myself. huh. but because of that i apparently hate women and want to control them because i see that "lump of cells" at 8 months a human baby.
     
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  29. Agent K

    Agent K Active Member

    When even Pat Robertson says, "I think Alabama has gone too far," about Alabama's abortion ban, adding, "It's an extreme law," you know the right has gone off the rails.
     
  30. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    That is one state. Did you watch the Democratic debate?
    No puedo creer que tengamos que escuchar a Trump por otros 5 años y medio.
     
  31. Agent K

    Agent K Active Member

    Of course the states are passing these abortion bans because they hope that the new more conservative Supreme Court will overturn Roe v. Wade.

    I watched the GOP debates in 2016 where Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio defended speaking Spanish in their campaigns, and Ted Cruz responded to Rubio in Spanish when Rubio said, "I don't know how he knows what I said on Univision because he doesn't speak Spanish."
     
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  32. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    yea and we got Trump.
     
  33. xena

    xena Banned Banned

    Common sense has gone out of the window . Politicians can lie through the teeth and get away with it.
    Image and perception is now what counts. Look at the US government for instance, they have paid out over 4 billion pounds because of vaccines yet we are consistently told it’s a conspiracy.
    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...or-vaccine-injuries-and-deaths-keep-climbing/

    This is the world we live in. And they want to make vaccines mandatory.
    Why are real issues like this relegated to conspiracy?
    How come the news seems more concerned about the rights of transvestites than the homeless or health care ,people having to work 2 or sometimes 3 jobs .etc etc . Inclusivity! take a look at Netflix every other film has a transvestite , or a token gay character ( that’s how gay men are mostly portrayed, the woman though are mostly portrayed as tough , see the ridiculous bat woman trailer ) and look how many super hero films have a woman lead character . Inclusivity is all over the place so what are the LGBTQ’s and SJW’s moaning about. There has been some great female leads alien ,terminator 2
    Etc.
    Go on you tube and you can see that the film review channels have now tuned into political debate because of this agenda.
    Woman’s sport is dying . There is a man who fights MMA . He’s not transgender ( like most he has not transitioned) and he his beating the crap out of woman in the ring and the SJW are defending his right to do this because he’s now got a woman’s name “ unbelievable “ did you know that the met fined a man £90 because he did not want to be identified by the “ facial recognition van” Orwell’s vision has arrived . Technocratic nightmare is what we are walking into .
    Politics / news has became a side show a diversion from the what’s really going on .
    Who cares about trump,Clinton’s ,Obama any politician. The power has always been with the oligarchs and bankers . All my years alive and my government has done nothing for me but take away and run services down . Good luck to the yellow vests in France that’s what the world needs right now. I know I have strayed off topic a bit.
     
  34. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    This is America. We use dollars.

    There are threads on the compensation program if you care to learn something about the topic.
     
  35. Agent K

    Agent K Active Member

    OK, one more.
    "Fox News Had a Different Reaction When Obama Wanted to Negotiate with North Korea"
    17 million views

    Source: https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1145759724744216576

     
  36. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    and yet the Democrats, by and large, are all NOW saying the same things that are in your video montage. and not just 'news' personalities but people running for President.

    Hypocritical politicking doesn't really have anything to do with brainwashing though, does it?
     
  37. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    I just looked to see how Fox is presenting it and this is the first clip I find. Which includes letting the Dem guy have his say (although it looks like 4 to 1.. the show is called The Five.)


    Source: https://youtu.be/2Io3Mdk0DLo?t=210
     
  38. Agent K

    Agent K Active Member

    Are the candidates saying that they won't meet with Kim Jong-un? Obama never did meet with him. He held a "historic phone call" with Iran's president.

    It has to do with a cult of personality and historical revisionism, like in 1984 when the allies and enemies are suddenly swapped.
     
  39. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    hmm. well both sides do it. consistently. so not sure i'm getting whatever your point is.
     
  40. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    I just heard on the radio that there is a new series on Showtime called "The loudest Voice in the Room", all about Roger Ailes. Apparently there was a 2014 book. hhmmmm….

    And it is rather anti Ailes based on book reviews.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Loudest_Voice


    Amazon says

    not sure if gifs play... these look like little Taliban members but they are actually zombies in lockstep (ie. Republicans)
    giphy.