1. Z.W. Wolf

    Z.W. Wolf Senior Member

    This might be the original source of the viral video of the tiger chasing the scooter.

    This might be authentic. Who knows? But what makes me question the authenticity of this video:

    The camera pans behind the vehicle more than 180 degrees while keeping the tiger in frame. How do you do that from the back of a scooter?


    Scenario one: A helmet cam.
    A: It's mounted on the front so the camera sees what the person sees. Can more or less keep tiger in frame. Person must be Owl-Man with neck that can twist past 180 degrees. Or stands up on footrests and twists at the waist. There's no indication that this is happening.
    B: An improvised rig with camera taped to left side of helmet. How do you keep tiger in frame? And even so head is still twisting beyond what is humanly possible.

    Scenario Two: Hand held.
    There's only one way to make this physically possible. Holding camera this way while both moving arm back behind body and twisting the wrist.

    So how do you keep the tiger in frame? Possible I guess. But how likely?

    There are any number of videos out there of tigers chasing open tourist jeeps in national forests. In this case the camera is being held by someone sitting on a bench seat facing backwards.

    And that's what makes sense for the footage above. Someone sitting on a bench seat facing backwards. So, did someone use footage like that and concoct this scooter video?

    Other things...

    Why such a short segment of video? Wouldn't this be part of a much longer video? Why not show that? You'd expect a bogus video to be as short as possible.

    The camera just happens to be pointed exactly where the tiger first shows up? Possible but unlikely. A more likely scenario is a that the person holding the camera already knows there's a tiger out in that direction. It's a part of a longer situation in which the tiger has been following/stalking the vehicle.
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  2. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    You just hold the camera palm forward, and that range of motion is pretty easy.
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  3. Z.W. Wolf

    Z.W. Wolf Senior Member

    I don't get it. Without moving your body, pan all the way behind you until you've got something in frame that's off your right shoulder. And you've got to be able to see the screen.
  4. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    Looks pretty real to me.

  5. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    I would move my body if there was a tiger behind me. why do you think he didn't move his body?
  6. Z.W. Wolf

    Z.W. Wolf Senior Member

    Someone out there try sitting on a scooter and get this kind of camera pan.

    Start off from left shoulder. Pan all the way around behind you to something off your right shoulder and keep it in frame. Just physically try it.

    Edit: Okay, I don't have a scooter. I tried sitting on a bench without moving my feet from the floor. If you hold a phone the way I show above, I can almost make it possible. But keeping the object in frame too? It might just be possible.
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  7. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    I could. It's the passenger on the back of the bike. I do have to hold that little bar thing at the back (or the back edge of the seat.) so I don't completely unbalance the driver. Its not completely off your right shoulder as the tiger is further back at that point.

    I just tried it, straddling a small step ladder.. im not sure how to demonstrate it though.
  8. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    I can do it just fine.

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urLk86_ZCSM

    The final twist to 270° is more than the tiger video, but not that hard to do. Push thumb forward and pull fingers back. You can see the screen up to the last second, and the tiger video is more like 220° soul they would be able to see the screen.
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  9. Amber Robot

    Amber Robot Member

    Might the passenger have been sitting seated sideways and not forward?
  10. Z.W. Wolf

    Z.W. Wolf Senior Member

    The forest officials thing seems be inaccurate.

    Other sources say Navaneeth Krishnaz was traveling through Pambra, India.
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  11. Z.W. Wolf

    Z.W. Wolf Senior Member

    Okay, I'm convinced.
  12. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    LOL at the "spot" of the tiger.
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    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

  14. Z.W. Wolf

    Z.W. Wolf Senior Member

    Wow, I didn't even realize one thing until just now. They're on the wrong side of the road. They drive on the left in India.
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  15. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    I was gonna try to figure out where on the road they were, to see if the road bends etc.. but with my spatial dyslexia, I figured im not even gonna attempt it! :)
  16. Z.W. Wolf

    Z.W. Wolf Senior Member

    No, but I mean in the Tiger Video. The scooter is on the wrong side of the road. It's on the right.
  17. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    I know. i can look at the above bike video I linked and move them to the right, but if I have to reverse the scene (because they are heading the opposite way) I cant figure out where they are on the road AND reverse the landscape at the same time. My brain gets stuck on spatial issues sometimes.
  18. GregMc

    GregMc Senior Member

    In terms of understanding the effort needed to fake such footage: The handheld camerawork is rather erratic and natural and the background detail moving very fast so in order to composite in a cgi tiger, the background has to be "solved" in a motiontracking software like syntheyes or 3Dequalizer. It's also possible to do manually in an animation package like maya but tedious and time consuming. That would need to generate a 3D representation of the camera and the 3D motion of the road and a few trees in background relative to the camera. Then the 3D rigged and textured Tiger needs to be purchased or made at enormous time and effort and animated accurately to run in the 3D representation of the scene convincingly at the correct speed relative to the digi version of camera on motorcycle. It has that almost gotcha near miss swerve then runs off into bush again relaxing the run subtly.. That tiger needs to be lit to match the conditions then rendered with alpha channel and matching motion blurr and composited into the plate shot taken by the phone. All quite possible but a hell of a lot of work for such a short bit of action. Might be a heap easier just to ride a scooter through an area where you expect to find a Tiger?

    I think its most likely legit though people actually do viral things like that as a way of attracting attention to their VFX business such as the funny "Boss Town" dynamics robot being tortured then rebelling, and TV advert faked composites sometimes go viral and believed to be real such as the Pokari Sweat Orca that appears to leap and land on a kayaker. (kayakers filmed separately and comped into footage from lolita the orca doco)
    I think it's the low res high compression that makes the tiger look a tad cartoony but the action, leaning, foot placement body stretch etc is all pretty spot on
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  19. Z.W. Wolf

    Z.W. Wolf Senior Member

    Thank you for that. I know nothing about the subject.

    This is what Captain Disillusion has to say:

    Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/CaptainDisillusion/comments/c7a4sm/tiger_attack_while_riding_a_bike_in_india/esfl88a/

    It is physically possible to use the camera this way.

    If it is fake it was done by someone very skilled and was expensive.

    So... it's probably real.
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  20. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    it still looks better than any video my phone takes.
    But is the footage on the original channel (Cater News) any better? I don't know how you find resolution.

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jteIKJME-8

    For that long? Why would you think to take your phone out in the first place?

    But if I did decide to ride 2 men (heavy) on a scooter through a tiger den and take my phone out to film the tiger running through the woods, I definitely would have thrown my phone at him. (or her... i'm just thinking its a young male cause his feet look so big, but I don't really know what female feet in that position would look like).
  21. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    hmmm.. with those thumbnails on the original licensed vid, he/she looks an awful lot like this guy I saved due to the crouch.

  22. DasKleineTeilchen

    DasKleineTeilchen Active Member

    must be pretty old, then? my 5 to 6 year old samsung S4 mini films in full HD (1920x1080)
  23. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    yea it is, I have a buy a new one by the end of the year. They keep sending emails saying this one won't work soon.