John J.
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"One inch of air" isn't a measurement of volume; even at the most basic semantic level this is an unscientific claim.
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"One inch of air" isn't a measurement of volume; even at the most basic semantic level this is an unscientific claim.
NorCal Dave
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That's a bit harsh, he's not lying, he's....selling. And, I would argue he may have been selling something he thought was indeed possible if not already in existence. Let's remember, DeLong has no collage background that I'm aware of, he spent most of his life as a musician. Not at all saying he's dumb, just that he, like me and lot's of people, may not have the physics chops to completely understand if ZPE is a thing or not.
More importantly, at the time of the emails, DeLong was in contact with at least 1 PhD level physicists and probably 2. DeLong co-founded TTSA with Jim Semivan and Hal Puthoff. Puthoff is a physicist and his long time collaborator and side-kick, Eric Davis, is also a physicist.
Davis and Puthoff were also involved in Bigelow's various endeavors like NIDS and BAASS. Puthoff's EarthTech company was contracted by BAASS to provide papers on possible future tech to fulfill the contract to the government run AAWSAP. Puthoff wrote a paper on space-time modification, while Davis wrote a paper on anti-gravity, something else DeLong often mentioned, and he wrote a paper on...Vacuum Energy otherwise known as Zero Point Energy. From the list of DIRDs (the official name for the papers they and others wrote):
There is no doubt that TTSA turned into a bit of a hustle and DeLong stood to gain financially from it. And it is clear that DeLong, both in the McCasland emails and other instances, including TJR show, made lots of hyped up claims in a likely attempt to make TTSA more legitimate. But I think it's also likely that DeLong had 2 PhD level physicists priming him about things like anit-gravity and Zero Point Energy. In his mind these are guys that had worked for the CIA, the DoD and had top secret clearance. Davis had written, and sold, papers to the USAF detailing teleportation and only a few years before DeLong was hyping TTSA in emails, Davis had written a government sponsored official DIRD papers on ZPE (Vacuum Energy).
DeLong may have well believed ZPE was real, or at least eminently possible. So, not lying, just selling something he thought could be real.
deirdre
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technically he says "so like one inch of air.. kind of thing". he's talking about atoms. like "splitting atoms", but not splitting atoms? hard for me to follow.. but hes talking about the number of atoms in that inch of air is how i decipher it.
Rick Robson
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You quoted Mick West's post about Delonge's claim that free energy technology is possessed by the US government, which BTW has nothing whatsoever to do with his "one inch of air" metaphor.
Would you please give me just one reference to where and when he explicitly said "free energy"? Thanks!
John J.
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Though he doesn't use the term "free energy", in this interview with Joe Rogan Tom DeLonge appears to think ZPE/ vacuum energy is a workable technology, and we have it (or are near it) and it's not being hidden from us as such, its being hidden from the aliens. He uses the "one inch of air" example (I don't think it's a metaphor).
YouTube, posted by user Kain Baker, April 2023
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x89dEVAy_Qs
I think we're going off-topic, though.
Rick Robson
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Again, opinions -- like yours on how related to free energy are Delonge's comments -- can't be taken to assume that once a upon a time in his life he explicitly stated that the US Government possesses free energy technology, like what the Daily Mail did on that article that Mick West referred to on his post and you quoted.
I think it's now more than enough time to move on to what really matters to the thread's topic.
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John J.
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I agree in that ZPE energy is a non-existent technology. The issue came up because some people seem to believe (at least according to The Daily Mail) that William McCasland is somehow connected to ZPE research, and knows stuff about alien spacecraft, and this is somehow linked to his disappearance. Part of their reasoning for this might be because McCasland had links with Tom Delonge, who makes unusual claims about ZPE and alien spacecraft.
If it weren't for these conspiracy theories, I doubt we'd be discussing McCasland's disappearance on Metabunk. Approx. 360,000 adults go missing in the US each year; most are soon found (or have volitionally "disappeared" for their own reasons) but sadly some are not. But we haven't discussed any of those other disappearances (IIRC), although each and every case might be as puzzling (and potentially as saddening) as this one.
Scaramanga
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From the sound of it he doesn't really have a clue. ZPE is not 'an electromagnetic wave'. It is basically the minimum energy state of the vacuum....which is not zero. It is basically similar to the phenomenon of virtual particles, which derive energy from the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. It exists in the form of virtual pairs...matter and antimatter...that cancel each other out in a very brief period of time. If the matter in the virtual pair did not recombine with the antimatter then you'd end up with antimatter accumulating everywhere....which is not happening....so there is zero evidence that any regular natural process can 'extract' this energy. In fact the only natural process that can separate the pair is the the gravity and event horizon of a black hole....and that phenomenon is the basis of Hawking radiation.
That extraction is not 'free energy'. It is basically converting the mass of the black hole into energy....so the black hole shrinks over time.
So basically you need a black hole to extract this energy. And the problem is, you'd put more energy into creating a black hole, even a mini one, for this extraction than you'd get out of it. In fact, using Hawking radiation to extract radiation from a black hole is basically extracting the energy you put into making the black hole. There is no net gain, and you are unlikely to capture every particle emitted so the whole thing is futile.
Which is why 'harnessing' ZPE is really the quantum equivalent of perpetual energy machines. It is all hyperbole.
Scaramanga
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He's probably thinking of the Casimir effect....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect
I can do no better than quote what Google AI has to say....
The Casimir effect cannot be used to extract limitless or "free" energy from the vacuum. While it generates a measurable, attractive force between closely spaced plates due to quantum vacuum fluctuations, harvesting this energy requires more work to separate the plates again than is released, making it a conservative, non-perpetual system.
Key Details on Casimir Energy Extraction:
- Fundamental Limitation: The vacuum is already in its lowest possible energy state; the Casimir force allows you to extract energy only by moving to an even lower state, which is impossible to do indefinitely.
- One-time Work: You can extract a single burst of energy as plates move together, similar to a spring closing, but you must invest equal or greater energy to re-separate them.
- Not "Free" Energy: Any device using the Casimir effect to generate motion would need to overcome the force to reset, resulting in a net energy loss or zero gain.
- Applications: It is primarily studied for use in Microelectromechanical Systems (MEMS) or Nanoelectromechanical Systems (NEMS) where tiny, short-range forces are utilized, not for power generation.
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Todd Feinman
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That is interesting, and sad, too. One wonders about many things.. The video, with all of the stars…
The song reminds me a bit of Joan Baez..
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NorCal Dave
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Maybe a bit of a language issue. E desculpas por favor, I'm not at all questioning your command of English or knowledge of this stuff. My command of Portugues is limited to "bom dia", "gelo" and "caracois", though my son is semi-fluent. Just some background in how us native English speakers are reading some of this.
To clarify, "free energy" is a catch-all phrase for any number of systems that supposedly produce more energy than is input to the system. I think a more accurate term often used is "over unity". In the old days of mechanical devices, this was known as "perpetual motion machines". Now in the days of electricity, various supposed inventors have proposed devices that end up producing more energy than they take in, thus they are said to be "over unity". Both over unity and perpetual motion machines violate the known laws of physics.
Any Over Unity system that creates more energy than it takes in, is said to create free energy.
Zero Point Energy, also referred to as Vacuum Energy, is an over unity system that some fringe physicists think might be possible. As it's over unity, it is a version of free energy. So, if DeLong or anyone else mentions Zero Point Energy or Vacuum Energy they are talking about Free Energy. It's the same thing.
I think we all agree, that as of now, there is NO evidence of McCasland talking about "free energy" in any form. DeLong talks about Zero Point Energy, so that's the same as free energy.
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Gary C
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In scientific usage Vacuum Energy is by far the most common. I haven't seen an English language scientific paper use 'zero-point-energy' in a generation now.
Vacuum energy in physics is commonly denoted by E0 (can't figure out how to do a subscript atm)
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Vacuum energy in physics is commonly denoted by E0 (can't figure out how to do a subscript atm)
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I think it is a very lay description of "one cubic inch of space." Which current science puts between 10e-14 and 10e108 joules per cubic inch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_constant_problem
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