DEBUNKED - 9/11 aircraft black boxes weren't recovered

[JRBids]

Eddie for anyone to say that it's "reasonable" in any way to find the passport tells you what this site is really about. Not only is a passport nothing close to a piece of paper in terms of surface area and density just pull yours out and feel it. Regular pieces of paper yes totally. But this would have been in the guys wallet or pocket....how many other specific documents of anyone else on any of those planes were found mick and jazzy? I would bet none or they would have compared that by now as evidence it makes sense we found his passport. To say it would make sense something like this would be found proves nothing but gullibility. And this coming from a guy who is overly skeptical of the conspiracy that 9/11 was an "inside job"

Here are some other items recovered

https://www.google.com/search?q=9+1...vCo2E9gTlzYCoBg&ved=0CDEQsAQ&biw=1920&bih=947

 

[JRBids]

Well just basic common sense would tell you where the passport would be if your going on a plane. Could it have been out sitting on his lap yes but you can decode that mystery hah.
As far as that plane crash hey you can say what you like but in the 9/11 instance nothing was found bigger than small pieces of even steel and metal...if the bodies were destroyed anything on the person would have been destroyed in the same way and it would only make sense for him to have his passport in his wallet pocket or luggage if there is any evidence to support something other than the norm you present that, because I'm the one presenting what would make sense. S show me something to suggest in this specific case that other objects similar to a passport(not paper) that were found. See previous video jazzy posted showing the missile strike that would have been double that per plane impact it's in the history

Again:

https://www.google.com/search?q=9+1...vCo2E9gTlzYCoBg&ved=0CDEQsAQ&biw=1920&bih=947

I would not put a passport in a pocket. It's too big. If he had a carry on bag it was probably in that. Even if it were in a jacket pocket it could have come out.

 

[Fortean Slip]

Everyone in my family keeps their passport in their carry-on bag. That may not "make sense" to you but that is what we do. Making sense to you and what actually happened are not necessarily the same thing. Yes, we see small piece of steel and concrete debris but we also so small pieces of debris in the form on paper and plastic in photos like this:



and this:


and this:


In regards to your "show me passports not paper" argument, what exactly is it about the high-quality reinforced paper used in passports that you think makes it less likely to survive an explosion? With hundreds of images showing regular office paper surviving a high velocity explosion just fine it is "common sense" to assume that passport paper would survive as well. And we don't even have to assume because a passport was found.

 

[Landru]

Well just basic common sense would tell you where the passport would be if your going on a plane. Could it have been out sitting on his lap yes but you can decode that mystery hah.
As far as that plane crash hey you can say what you like but in the 9/11 instance nothing was found bigger than small pieces of even steel and metal...if the bodies were destroyed anything on the person would have been destroyed in the same way and it would only make sense for him to have his passport in his wallet pocket or luggage if there is any evidence to support something other than the norm you present that, because I'm the one presenting what would make sense. S show me something to suggest in this specific case that other objects similar to a passport(not paper) that were found. See previous video jazzy posted showing the missile strike that would have been double that per plane impact it's in the history

Here are some other items recovered:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/911-ten-years-on-inside-151495

 

[Jazzy]

common sense would tell you where the passport would be

If I was wearing a shirt with a breast pocket I would put it there.

in the 9/11 instance nothing was found bigger than small pieces of even steel and metal

That was after the tower collapsed. I have been talking about paper escaping the impact, not the tower collapse.

Show me something to suggest in this specific case that other objects similar to a passport were found.

Every accident is unique in small details. What survives any particular accident is subject to a separate timeline and a separate fate.

See previous video jazzy posted showing the missile strike that would have been double that per plane impact it's in the history

That thermobaric test bomb experiment demonstrated the power of a weapon which was half the power of a 767 doing 500 mph and carrying 24,000 pounds of kerosine.

The link to the US's use of such thermobaric devices to reach deeply into Afghani caves was intended to convey just how easily such explosions could reach tower basements and rooftops through the internal lift systems, whether or not they had barriers to them.

Ah, well. It worked for me...

 

[Eddie]

We have videos of the hijackers going thru the airports, the seating plan, bin Laden's videos. . .

haha, I was just being a little facetious.

He's out now.

oh

Kerik was sentenced to four years in prison in February 2010 after a federal judge blasted him for using his high-profile part in the city’s 9/11 response to make money.

Kerik’s guilty plea in a November 2009 plea deal including admissions that he lied to the White House, filed false tax returns and lied about $255,000 in work done by a mob-linked contractor.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nypd-boss-bernard-kerik-prison-article-1.1356234#ixzz2e2sbiMm7

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You make it sound as if because he was in jail it had something to do with finding the passport.

No my suggestion is that the guy is untrustworthy. and I guess i am saying he could have been involved. Would you trust this man, honestly? I mean just read look into him.

There was also the ID found from at least one person, a woman who was on the plane. I believe she was a student.

There may have been other IDs, in fact apparently we can see a picture of many above. But it is not just a little suspicious that just a short time after the attacks that "3 or 4 blocks away" (to quote Kerik), they claim a passer-by just stumbled upon a significant passport and handed it in?

Would you have to get ahold of a black box yourself before you believed on was found? Is that what you are saying?

No, I was reacting to Mick's statement that Al-suqami was in the cockpit. He does not know that, although he stated it as fact.

 

[Freak]

Regarding the black boxes not being found. It's entirely possible that they survived, but weren't found. They're not very large, and in such a large rubble pile could have been easily overlooked, especially if they had been scooped up by the equipment being used to clear the site.

Alternatively, it's possible (though I think less likely) that some were thrown clear in the impact and are hiding on a roof somewhere. Wasn't there a piece of flap actuator found in a small space between two buildings earlier this year?

If the crash had happened in an open field I would think there would be a much better chance of finding them. Both of flight 93's black boxes were found for example (as were the ones at The Pentagon, the the voice recorder was too damaged to get anything from).

But to me, the most glaring problem with theories like these, is the simple question of why. Why would they not create fake black box recordings for those 2 planes?

Did the CIA go through all the trouble of planting explosives in WTC 1,2, and 7, crashing some (possibly drone) aircraft, or perhaps firing missles, into some buildings, planting a passport, and faking black boxes for both 93 and 77 (while damaging one to the point it was unreadable) but when the subject of faking black boxes for the aircraft that hit the WTC, they just said "Eh. Fuck it. No one will want to see those."?

I'm on my phone and this site isn't very mobile freindly, please excuse any wierd ass typos.

 

[Eddie]

Regarding the black boxes not being found. It's entirely possible that they survived, but weren't found. They're not very large, and in such a large rubble pile could have been easily overlooked, especially if they had been scooped up by the equipment being used to clear the site.

Alternatively, it's possible (though I think less likely) that some were thrown clear in the impact and are hiding on a roof somewhere. Wasn't there a piece of flap actuator found in a small space between two buildings earlier this year?

If the crash had happened in an open field I would think there would be a much better chance of finding them. Both of flight 93's black boxes were found for example (as were the ones at The Pentagon, the the voice recorder was too damaged to get anything from).

But to me, the most glaring problem with theories like these, is the simple question of why. Why would they not create fake black box recordings for those 2 planes?

Did the CIA go through all the trouble of planting explosives in WTC 1,2, and 7, crashing some (possibly drone) aircraft, or perhaps firing missles, into some buildings, planting a passport, and faking black boxes for both 93 and 77 (while damaging one to the point it was unreadable) but when the subject of faking black boxes for the aircraft that hit the WTC, they just said "Eh. Fuck it. No one will want to see those."?

I'm on my phone and this site isn't very mobile freindly, please excuse any wierd ass typos.

Why would they need to fake it? They didn't and got away with it.

And please, they did not fire missiles. If you're going to fly planes into buildings and make that the story, why not just fly planes into buildings?

 

[Freak]

Why would they need to fake it? They didn't and got away with it.

In some of the theories they would have had to fake the ones from flights 93 and 77. Why would they stop there? That's my point.

And please, they did not fire missiles. If you're going to fly planes into buildings and make that the story, why not just fly planes into buildings?

Sorry, I may not have been clear. I don't believe the CIA, NSA, FBI, DOD, Illuminati, NWO or any other government agency had anything to do with it, or that missiles were fired into any buildings that day. I believe there were a bunch of D-Bags from the middle east who flew aircraft into those buildings. The question was a hypothetical one as I see it from the perspective of the believers that it was a government conspiracy. I mentioned the missile theory because that's a fairly common one, particularly at the Pentagon site.

 

[Eddie]

I just think it amazing the faith some of you appear to have in the government.

Actually, I don't know if they faked tapes from those other flights. It's actually of little importance to me. And I don't believe in missiles hitting the pentagon or whatever. Actually those people completely discredit 911 truth. And 911 truth should never have been about wild theories like this but I personally believe that kind of stuff benefits those who don't want the real truth to come out. Missiles at the pentagon is a joke and all those people ignore the plane shaped holes in the front and focus on the exit hole to make it look like a missile.

However, I fail to see how anyone who's looked into 911 enough cannot see that we're being taken for a ride. Bush n the neocon crew claimed they had no knowledge about coming attacks. I just can't believe that. In fact those that knew tool full advantage and helped assist it.

 

[Freak]

But you believe that the fact the black boxes weren't found to be ridiculous, and posted a claim that one was found (and then I assume covered up). So again, why?

If there were FDRs/CVRs in those aircraft, and they would somehow give away the whole thing if they had been found, why not fake the data/voices? Hell, it'd be even easier to take the supposedly found box, and then either release faked data or simply claim it was unreadable.

I mentioned the others being faked because if the flight 11 and 175 black boxes would have had incriminating info on them, there's no reason to think the ones from 93 and 77 wouldn't. Unless you think there were 2 different methods used that day.

Actually it's kind of hard to discuss these things without knowing what specific story you subscribe to.

There are a few things some of these theories claim as evidence of an inside job which make exactly zero sense if it was an inside job.

 

[Jazzy]

I just think it amazing the faith some of you appear to have in the government.

I think it amazing that you can make that connection at all.

Actually those people completely discredit 911 truth.

There isn't anything that credits any part of 911 truth. That there were once a great many lies, and now there are fewer lies, doesn't reflect a single iota of credit.

911 truth should never have been about wild theories

All the theories have wildness within them, born of failures in thinking.

However, I fail to see how anyone who's looked into 911 enough cannot see that we're being taken for a ride.

You are taking yourself on your own ride. "Taking advantage of what others do" wasn't actually "doing it".

Bush n the neocon crew claimed they had no knowledge about coming attacks. I just can't believe that.

"Knowing that attacks might take place" wasn't actually "knowing when and what they were".

In fact those that knew tool full advantage and helped assist it.

"Surveilling the suspects" wasn't actually "assisting the suspects".

And I'm not actually a supporter of either side. I'm not actually American.

 

[Eddie]

But you believe that the fact the black boxes weren't found to be ridiculous, and posted a claim that one was found (and then I assume covered up). So again, why?

If there were FDRs/CVRs in those aircraft, and they would somehow give away the whole thing if they had been found, why not fake the data/voices? Hell, it'd be even easier to take the supposedly found box, and then either release faked data or simply claim it was unreadable.

I mentioned the others being faked because if the flight 11 and 175 black boxes would have had incriminating info on them, there's no reason to think the ones from 93 and 77 wouldn't. Unless you think there were 2 different methods used that day.

Actually it's kind of hard to discuss these things without knowing what specific story you subscribe to.

There are a few things some of these theories claim as evidence of an inside job which make exactly zero sense if it was an inside job.

I thought it ridiculous that they weren't even found, yes. Find them in a damaged state seems likely. BUt also more in the context of a passport having been found of the hijackers right after the attack took place. I'm not suggesting they faked tapes. That's just you arguing against yourself. And I don't believe it was an "inside job", that's too simplistic.

Am I wrong in thinking that they shipped all that steel off to China? If they really wanted to find the black boxes then they would have searched more thoroughly. Of course they may have actually found them and not told us as has been reported before.

 

[Eddie]

I think it amazing that you can make that connection at all.

Really, i'm not just referring to you, you know? And I'm not talking in general, I'm talking specifically about 9/11. The impression I've got here, is of complete lack of criticism and skepticism of the official story.

There isn't anything that credits any part of 911 truth. That there were once a great many lies, and now there are fewer lies, doesn't reflect a single iota of credit.

Really, you know 911 truth was never just about conspiracy theories. Parents of the deceased were among the first to push for re-investigation. You can't just paint with a broad brush. Although i'll admit that it's full of idiots.



You demonstrate a lack of thinking. They were surveilling and monitoring to the point that they knew full well what was going on. They could not not have known. From what I can see it was being planned and they did nothing to stop it and actually helped them do it. And woopteedoo im not american either.

 

[JRBids]

I just think it amazing the faith some of you appear to have in the government.

I think it's amazing that if a person doesn't think 9/11 was an inside job, it means we have extreme faith in the government.

However, I fail to see how anyone who's looked into 911 enough cannot see that we're being taken for a ride. Bush n the neocon crew claimed they had no knowledge about coming attacks. I just can't believe that. In fact those that knew tool full advantage and helped assist it.

I do believe Bush ignored warnings but taking his gross stupidity to mean he helped assist it gives him too much president. I can't believe you couldn't see that Bush believed his entire presidency was going to be spent on vacation in Texas. While he did jump right onto the attacks in order to prove to daddy that he could do what daddy couldn't, I don't believe he had anything to do with the planning or aid.

 

[JRBids]

But you believe that the fact the black boxes weren't found to be ridiculous, and posted a claim that one was found (and then I assume covered up). So again, why?

If there were FDRs/CVRs in those aircraft, and they would somehow give away the whole thing if they had been found, why not fake the data/voices? Hell, it'd be even easier to take the supposedly found box, and then either release faked data or simply claim it was unreadable.

I mentioned the others being faked because if the flight 11 and 175 black boxes would have had incriminating info on them, there's no reason to think the ones from 93 and 77 wouldn't. Unless you think there were 2 different methods used that day.

Actually it's kind of hard to discuss these things without knowing what specific story you subscribe to.

There are a few things some of these theories claim as evidence of an inside job which make exactly zero sense if it was an inside job.

Absolutely, it would be helpful to know what "theory" Eddie believes. I have to say, he isn't as coy as some CTers who come here and spend 100 posts hinting about their points.

As far as the black boxes go, how could TPTB ensure who found them? If they contained incriminating evidence against the gov't., how did they know that they would be lying between a couple buildings for a few years, then found by someone who could take them somewhere and have the data released? The whole conspiracy gets more and more convoluted as more points are brought up.

 

[Eddie]

I think it's amazing that if a person doesn't think 9/11 was an inside job, it means we have extreme faith in the government.

I do believe Bush ignored warnings but taking his gross stupidity to mean he helped assist it gives him too much president. I can't believe you couldn't see that Bush believed his entire presidency was going to be spent on vacation in Texas. While he did jump right onto the attacks in order to prove to daddy that he could do what daddy couldn't, I don't believe he had anything to do with the planning or aid.

I think it's amazing that if a person doesn't think 9/11 was an inside job, it means we have extreme faith in the government.



I do believe Bush ignored warnings but taking his gross stupidity to mean he helped assist it gives him too much president. I can't believe you couldn't see that Bush believed his entire presidency was going to be spent on vacation in Texas. While he did jump right onto the attacks in order to prove to daddy that he could do what daddy couldn't, I don't believe he had anything to do with the planning or aid.

Why do you guys keep implying that I said something i didn't? I never said or implied that "if a person doesn't think 9/11 was an inside job, it means we have extreme faith in the government." I merely said that it appeared that many here had unquestionably bought the official story, and so appeared to have faith the government's own account. I never said anything about believing in an inside job. nor was i talking about opinons on government in general... geez.

 

[JRBids]

I thought it ridiculous that they weren't even found, yes. Find them in a damaged state seems likely.

So then what happened? Found and hidden? Not on the planes at all? If it was ridiculous they weren't found, what does that mean?

BUt also more in the context of a passport having been found of the hijackers right after the attack took place. I'm not suggesting they faked tapes. That's just you arguing against yourself. And I don't believe it was an "inside job", that's too simplistic.

In the context of the passport being found, you are saying they planted the passport and hid the black boxes? Wouldn't that be along the lines of needle in the haystack probability? Wouldn't it have been odd if they'd planted the passport, and then ANOTHER was found?

Am I wrong in thinking that they shipped all that steel off to China? If they really wanted to find the black boxes then they would have searched more thoroughly. Of course they may have actually found them and not told us as has been reported before.

I am thinking you did not pay much attention to 9/11 when it happened, or even done much research. Do you think that the debris was simply dumped straight from the WTC onto a boat to China? You don't believe they went through the debris first to search for human remains or other items?

 

[JRBids]

Really, i'm not just referring to you, you know? And I'm not talking in general, I'm talking specifically about 9/11. The impression I've got here, is of complete lack of criticism and skepticism of the official story.




Really, you know 911 truth was never just about conspiracy theories. Parents of the deceased were among the first to push for re-investigation. You can't just paint with a broad brush. Although i'll admit that it's full of idiots.



You demonstrate a lack of thinking. They were surveilling and monitoring to the point that they knew full well what was going on. They could not not have known. From what I can see it was being planned and they did nothing to stop it and actually helped them do it. And woopteedoo im not american either.

YOu use a lot of code words that conspiracy theorists use. "Sounded like". "Appeared to be". Accusing us of having extreme faith in the government. Accusing us of believing the "official story".


I suggest that you read the other 9/11 threads on metabunk. You are just bringing up things that were debunked here in the past.

And just so you know, Eddie. The only people I have more contempt for than American truthers is truthers who aren't even American. Clean up whatever 2nd or 3rd world country you live in before you point the finger at us.

 

[Eddie]

So then what happened? Found and hidden? Not on the planes at all? If it was ridiculous they weren't found, what does that mean?



In the context of the passport being found, you are saying they planted the passport and hid the black boxes? Wouldn't that be along the lines of needle in the haystack probability? Wouldn't it have been odd if they'd planted the passport, and then ANOTHER was found?



I am thinking you did not pay much attention to 9/11 when it happened, or even done much research. Do you think that the debris was simply dumped straight from the WTC onto a boat to China? You don't believe they went through the debris first to search for human remains or other items?

How do you know they are certain they combed through everything suddenly. It's one of the greatest crimes in American history, if not the greatest, why the need to ship stuff off to china anyway... Always there could be a little evidence that pops up,,

 

[Jazzy]

You demonstrate a lack of thinking. They were surveilling and monitoring to the point that they knew full well what was going on. They could not not have known. From what I can see it was being planned and they did nothing to stop it and actually helped them do it.

The suspects weren't the planners, and didn't know what the plan was. There was no way to guess what it was, and every reason to suppose it was going to be the same scenario as it had been previously. The suspects had a routine speech prepared for the passengers indicating this. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

And woopteedoo im not american either.

LOL.

 

[Freak]

The purpose of black boxes is to help determine what caused a plane to crash when it's an unknown. But the cause of this crash wasn't an unknown, so it seems reasonable to me that they that didn't find the time and manpower it would take to go through the wreckage worth finding out what was already pretty apparent.

Maybe I am arguing with myself about faking the BB data, but as I stated, it's difficult to discuss when I don't know exactly which of the 40 bazillion (often conflicting) theories you believe in. Maybe if you state exactly what you think happened (with respect to the boxes/passport), and why you think that's fishy, we can start from there.

I believe the official story simply because it makes the most sense, and I have seen no real evidence to support the alternatives. Now, that doesn't mean that I think the OS is perfect, there are bound to be errors, simply because there are a lot of unknowns that day.

 

[Jazzy]

I merely said that it appeared that many here had unquestionably bought the official story

Well, you should have known better.

We "buy" it skeptically, and it's the least-stinky story, standing among thousands of little piles of poo.

There will never be such a thing as a "perfect" story. Huge events throw up a cloud of partially-accurate and sometimes wholly inaccurate accounts and images. It's known as "the fog of war" - typically.

Don't be discouraged. We all share similar experiences.

 

[JRBids]

How do you know they are certain they combed through everything suddenly. It's one of the greatest crimes in American history, if not the greatest, why the need to ship stuff off to china anyway... Always there could be a little evidence that pops up,,

They found small pieces of people in the rubble. They would have found a black box. And then again, there are many people they have not identified the boxes may have been smashed to bits also. As Jazzy said what you refer to as the "official story" is not perfect but it is the least stinky story. There has been no other "story" that has had the amount of evidence it has. As Freak has said there is no evidence to support the alternatives and we all know why the planes crashed we don't really need the black boxes to tell us that, or were the phone calls from the passengers and stewardesses planted?

Tell us what YOUR theory is, if you have one. It appears you don't, you are just questioning the "official story".

 

[Mick West]

How do you know they are certain they combed through everything suddenly. It's one of the greatest crimes in American history, if not the greatest, why the need to ship stuff off to china anyway... Always there could be a little evidence that pops up,,

Suddenly? It's always been known that they combed through everything:
http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/2002/may/freshkills/

May 30, 2002
After nearly nine months, workers have recovered tens of thousands of personal items from the site. Getting those items returned to the families of the victims remains an important challenge.

NPR’s Chris Arnold went to the Fresh Kills landfill on Staten Island, where police officers and FBI agents continue searching the last of the rubble as it’s brought over from the World Trade Center site.

The search has been methodical and exhaustive. The rubble is spread out and inspected twice at Ground Zero. Then it’s brought to Fresh Kills by barge and truck, where the clumps of tangled metal and concrete are broken down using heavy machinery and vibrating belts.

Teams of officers and agents watch as the rubble is sifted down to a fine ashy silt that they then rake through by hand.

Larger items, such as destroyed fire trucks and other vehicles, are torn apart by a machine called a shearer. Hundreds of vehicles have been hauled to Fresh Kills, most recovered from the collapsed parking lots under the World Trade Center.

"We're still finding human remains, even to this day," says Richard Marx, the FBI’s Special Agent in Charge at the landfill. "We are constantly recovering personal effects -- we found a wedding ring this past weekend."

Marx says the recovery effort has turned up more than 50,000 personal items. But often, without an inscription or name, it’s hard to know who they belonged to -- and officials have not yet decided how to let the victims' family members sort through the items.

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And they are STILL going through the rubble.
http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2013/04/post_455.html

April 05, 2013
STATEN ISLAND, N.Y. -- Thirty-nine fragments that could potentially be human remains have been recovered this week from 9/11 debris at the former Fresh Kills landfill, city officials said.

The sifting, which is being overseen by the city medical examiner's office, started on Monday and is expected to last 10 weeks.

According to Ellen Borakove, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner's office, the work uncovered two fragments on Monday, 16 on Tuesday and 21 Wednesday.

DNA testing will determine whether identification can be made.

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The things that were "shipped off to China" were just steel - of which hundreds of beams were selected for inspection. Everything else is still at Fresh Kills.

 

[John Smith]

Suddenly? It's always been known that they combed through everything:
http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/2002/may/freshkills/

May 30, 2002
After nearly nine months, workers have recovered tens of thousands of personal items from the site. Getting those items returned to the families of the victims remains an important challenge.

NPR’s Chris Arnold went to the Fresh Kills landfill on Staten Island, where police officers and FBI agents continue searching the last of the rubble as it’s brought over from the World Trade Center site.

The search has been methodical and exhaustive. The rubble is spread out and inspected twice at Ground Zero. Then it’s brought to Fresh Kills by barge and truck, where the clumps of tangled metal and concrete are broken down using heavy machinery and vibrating belts.

Teams of officers and agents watch as the rubble is sifted down to a fine ashy silt that they then rake through by hand.

Larger items, such as destroyed fire trucks and other vehicles, are torn apart by a machine called a shearer. Hundreds of vehicles have been hauled to Fresh Kills, most recovered from the collapsed parking lots under the World Trade Center.

"We're still finding human remains, even to this day," says Richard Marx, the FBI’s Special Agent in Charge at the landfill. "We are constantly recovering personal effects -- we found a wedding ring this past weekend."

Marx says the recovery effort has turned up more than 50,000 personal items. But often, without an inscription or name, it’s hard to know who they belonged to -- and officials have not yet decided how to let the victims' family members sort through the items.

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And they are STILL going through the rubble.
http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2013/04/post_455.html

April 05, 2013
STATEN ISLAND, N.Y. -- Thirty-nine fragments that could potentially be human remains have been recovered this week from 9/11 debris at the former Fresh Kills landfill, city officials said.

The sifting, which is being overseen by the city medical examiner's office, started on Monday and is expected to last 10 weeks.

According to Ellen Borakove, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner's office, the work uncovered two fragments on Monday, 16 on Tuesday and 21 Wednesday.

DNA testing will determine whether identification can be made.

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The things that were "shipped off to China" were just steel - of which hundreds of beams were selected for inspection. Everything else is still at Fresh Kills.

"FRESH KILLS" on Staten Island (Satan Island) ... they've got very sick humor

 

[Mick West]

"FRESH KILLS" on Staten Island (Satan Island) ... they've got very sick humor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresh_Kills

Fresh Kills (from the Middle Dutch word kille, meaning "riverbed" or "water channel")

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[Mick West]

Interesting video about the stuff found at Fresh Kills and the process they used. Also mentions the unfortunate name. People wanted to changed it.

Part 1:


Part 2:

 

[JRBids]

"FRESH KILLS" on Staten Island (Satan Island) ... they've got very sick humor

The place has always been called Fresh Kills. I remember some people objecting to it when they brought the debris there. There are many places that end in "kills" in NY, NJ and PA. Ever hear of the CATSKILL mountains? There Schuylkill, Wallkill....

 

[thedude953]

They found small pieces of people in the rubble. They would have found a black box. And then again, there are many people they have not identified the boxes may have been smashed to bits also. As Jazzy said what you refer to as the "official story" is not perfect but it is the least stinky story. There has been no other "story" that has had the amount of evidence it has. As Freak has said there is no evidence to support the alternatives and we all know why the planes crashed we don't really need the black boxes to tell us that, or were the phone calls from the passengers and stewardesses planted?

Tell us what YOUR theory is, if you have one. It appears you don't, you are just questioning the "official story".

The least stinky story that comes from information controlled by the people who would want to manipulate the story. Everyone forgets all our information comes through the what 4 companies that control all mainstream media that CEOs and board members across the board have ties with the government and are clearly in bed together.

 

[Landru]

The least stinky story that comes from information controlled by the people who would want to manipulate the story. Everyone forgets all our information comes through the what 4 companies that control all mainstream media that CEOs and board members across the board have ties with the government and are clearly in bed together.

Do you have any evidence to support your claims?

 

[JRBids]

The least stinky story that comes from information controlled by the people who would want to manipulate the story. Everyone forgets all our information comes through the what 4 companies that control all mainstream media that CEOs and board members across the board have ties with the government and are clearly in bed together.

What actual evidence do you have that debunks their information. Do you have evidence the video Mick posted showing what happens at the Fresh Kills site is a fabrication, for example? Would you like to present your evidence that the black boxes were really found but were hidden? Do you have evidence that the communications between the flight attendants and the ground were fabricated. And don't accuse me of putting words in your mouth. I'm just trying to imagine what you might have evidence for that you are not presenting, being that you have not been specific about what you believe. Or are you Just Asking Questions?

 

[O_O]

...CEOs and board members across the board have ties with the government and are clearly in bed together.

Sounds like a steamy good time.
But seriously, saying that every powerful person is party to some grand conspiratorial scheme (uh, conspiracy) is pretty silly.

 

[anna layloria]

Why couldn't they recover the 4 black boxes (first time in HISTORY) but were somehow able to recover a paper passport of one of the hijackers?

actually black boxes were missing during the Seal Team Six Schnook Helicopter RPG shoot down too... all 30 Americans dead and no black box found.
article right here: http://thehill.com/homenews/house/313039-congress-to-probe-lethal-seal-crash

"Their bodies were later recovered, but the helicopter’s black box was not. Pentagon officials have said that it could not be recovered, citing a flash flood that happened soon after the assault."
All the bodies were cremated. The Pentagon has defended the cremation to the soldiers’ families, saying the bodies were badly burned.

Chaffetz, however, said he has seen a photo of a deceased SEAL that was not.

“The body I saw didn’t need to be cremated,” Chaffetz said, adding that the Department of Defense’s explanation of its failure to find the helicopter’s black box seems “awfully odd.”

 

[anna layloria]

This is a very old chestnut.

Paper survives impacts very well, due to its low mass and high surface area. It tends to blow away in the blast before any liberated fuel catches fire. There's a physical equation for it which I managed to access once, but never again, which is very irritating.

Pick photos of any high-speed impact you can find of passenger aircraft (which normally carry within them loads of documents) and you will find the scene absolutely littered with sheets of paper.

A video that springs to mind is one accessed by the quote "I'm the problem". It's very chilling.



http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/burke-david.htm

Hey Jazzy, Mick West said if you post a video, I posted a 2 min video and HE TOLD ME- mark the time point on the video and evidence to support your claim. YOUR video was over 3 hours long. Mine got censored because I didn't post a time reference. Does Mick selectively censor posts when they contradict his agenda?

 

[Mick West]

Hey Jazzy, Mick West said if you post a video, I posted a 2 min video and HE TOLD ME- mark the time point on the video and evidence to support your claim. YOUR video was over 3 hours long. Mine got censored because I didn't post a time reference. Does Mick selectively censor posts when they contradict his agenda?

It was more because you did not post the claims of the video, as you were starting a new thread.

This is just an incidental video about some paper that survived the crash. Not an extraordinary claim.

 

[anna layloria]

looks like you are being agenda biased Mick West... his video was 3 hours long. 3 Hours and according to your RULES he just like me should state the time that is relevant. My video was 2 mins long. Seriously. READ YOUR OWN RULES.

 

[Jazzy]

Hey Jazzy, Mick West said if you post a video, I posted a 2 min video and HE TOLD ME- mark the time point on the video and evidence to support your claim. YOUR video was over 3 hours long. Mine got censored because I didn't post a time reference. Does Mick selectively censor posts when they contradict his agenda?

Hey, I wasn't aware of any time rules. My bad. Oops.
But a tip round the time problem - YT has a bar of stills above the time slider which allows you to effortlessly home in on relevant areas. There were two relevant points a) the aircraft went supersonic without breaking up and b) when it hit the field in a vertical dive it scattered paper for about a square mile.
I certainly didn't expect any one to watch the whole thing, unless they were like me, avidly interested in the forensics and origins of disaster, which I confess is somewhat extreme behavior.
The last vid I posted was 10 seconds long. Forgive me.

 

[jvnk08]

Hey Jazzy, Mick West said if you post a video, I posted a 2 min video and HE TOLD ME- mark the time point on the video and evidence to support your claim. YOUR video was over 3 hours long. Mine got censored because I didn't post a time reference. Does Mick selectively censor posts when they contradict his agenda?

Are we looking at the same video? The video in your quote is 3 minutes long.

 

[Jazzy]

Are we looking at the same video? The video in your quote is 3 minutes long.

Why, so it is. LOL! I gather you didn't watch it then, Anna.