Prop 37 GENETICALLY ENGINEERED FOODS. LABELING.

Leifer

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I do support labeling anything harmful, that is sold to the average consumer. Unfortunately the AMA, (American Medical Association), the WHO (World Health Organization), the FDA (Food and Drug Administration)....all do not support California's proposition 37's claims.

AMA, WHO, FDA...are their pockets perhaps lined with Monsanto's $$$? do they hold all the answers? the facts? FDA fast tracking GMO's? for Monsanto, this comes down to money, to the organic farmers...it is so much more than that...if the (independent) organic farmers were in it for the money, there wouldn't be any...they are thinking of healthy ecosystems, that benefit many, not just share holders. i don't give a rat's ass what the AMA, WHO ans FDA say!

Are the AMA, WHO, and the FDA's pockets being lined ? Is that a suspicion, an assumption, or a truth ? Is there proof of that ? Just because they are large organizations, is no proof of lined pockets. Are any of those entities profit making enterprises ? If this is an assumption, then why are there many regulations that benefit you and others, that they enforce and support to make your life better? Are you picking-and-choosing which areas and policies based on emotional appeal ?

Do you think that there is some conspiracy engaged upon, that those entities are part of ? Is there some cover-up by the thousands of employees and scientists working for these agencies ? And has the rest of the independent scientists also been rallied into telling lies, to make for a better Monsanto ? Sure there are "a few" studies that claim that GM plants are harmful. But the vast majority of studies say that there is no harm found.

Prop 37 is an emotional appeal and not based on science...in fact, it is an anti-science suggestion, suggesting that "there may be" some harm. If that were the case, many other issues can be seen as "there may be some harm"....so let's regulate those to, while we are at it. The problem I have with prop 37, is that it claims to be the "right to know" initiative....but strangely, it does not "know" itself what is regulating against. It has no compelling evidence....not in the broad understanding of GMO's. It suggests that the people will have the ability to "know" what is in their food....but ask any able-bodied voter why and how GMO's are hurting them....they will end up with a question mark above their heads.

There is a falsehood that prop 37 is about "the right to know". It is not about that. It's an attempt to "hurt" GM suppliers and growers, in an attempt to stop them. This is what genuinely disturbs me about this proposition....it's a fake cover. It would not disturb me so much if it were to really state it's intended purpose.....to halt GM plantings until further investigation. Instead, it is rallying the average person to believe that GMO's are already harmful, and that labeling them will enable in an informed choice. I am an organic produce and product supporter. I support organic farming, in fact I practice it. I cannot support a proposition that lies to achieve an alternate end, while it tries to convince the public of sketchy science....it's so disingenuous, at it's core.
 
Are the AMA, WHO, and the FDA's pockets being lined ?

No. The financial benefits accrue to the interests those agencies represent. The purpose of those agencies is to stamp out competition and promote monopoly.

It has no compelling evidence....not in the broad understanding of GMO's.

What would you consider good evidence that people should avoid Genetically Engineered food products?
 
Good evidence would be recorded illnesses to humans. GE food products have been around for 20 years or so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food_controversies

http://noprop37.com/uploads/1344548154-LegalReviewProp37WorsethanProp.pdf

The layering-on of deception continues...
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But prop 37 was drafted by attorney James Wheaton, the same person that drafted prop 65. So it WAS written by a lawyer, making the above graphic untrue, or at least very deceptive. Prop 37 was written by a lawyer. (To be fair...most propositions are written by lawyers.)
Wheaton's law firm has made 3 million dollars off prop 65....and now he is getting ready to reap settlement monies from prop 37.
 
Before I get banned from a facebook page....here is the text, comments on the above image...

Label GMOs: Its Our Right To Know- An Initiative For The 2012 CA Ballot Randy you are simply wrong. The law was written by food safety lawyers, primarily Joe Sandler, Andy Kimbrell and Rebecca Spector, David Bronner, folks versed in international labeling laws, genetic engineeres, farmers, manufacturers, consumer groups. Then distributors, other consumer groups, environmental groups, and many more looked at it to give feedback. It took months to craft and is a brilliant piece of law, creative to make it work for this time and place and food mess. Jim Wheaton was HIRED at the end of the process to be the payed proponent and gave very little advice at all because little was needed. You are simply wrong and listening to the opposition BS PR that is twisting everything about this initiative to confuse people so thatt they vote no. They are deliberately confusing people by sending "innocent" commenters to our pages to create dissention and mayhem. My guess is that you are one of them. This law is completely different from Prop 65 and lawyers know it. It protects grocers and everyone who does not lie or defraud the public by mislabeling. You are spreading lies.
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Label GMOs Hollywood Sounds like Randy is a biotech troll. I ban trolls.
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Randy I am a person with an opinion and a position. But you will ban opinions and positions ? Where is the fairness there ? Don't assume that anyone with a contrary viewpoint is a plant, to cause mayhem. If you want an intelligent and fair conversation, then you should allow the "other side" to speak, so that all sides have a fair shake...then let the voters decide.
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Randy " The law was written by food safety lawyers..." you said that. I will look into who actually crafted the prop....as there seems to be some discrepancy on the matter. I am willing to look at all sides of the debate. Are you ?
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Label GMOs Hollywood Just so you know, the person that commented above about who wrote the initiative is the woman that started this grassroots movement. So she would know. And using the FDA as an example of verifying GMO safety is laughable. The FDA leaves it up to the companies patenting the seeds to vouch for its "safety" but if you ask biotech they will tell you it's the FDAs job. So where does that leave us?
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Randy Even if she started a grass-roots movement, she's probably not a lawyer, and when left (passed on) into the hands/wording of a lawyer(s)...it is very possible that that wording is favorable to a lawyer and their practice. Why would Law firms invest the time and money if there was no return ? Regarding the FDA and private companies....ALL companies are responsible for proving their product is safe....so it's no strange notion that this happens. It likely happens with foods and companies you already trust, and you welcome their food in your body....FDA approved.
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Label GMOs Hollywood Copied from the carighttoknow site: According to an independent legal analysis by James Cooper, JD, PhD, of George Mason University School of Law, Proposition 37 has been narrowly crafted in a way that provides “greater legal certainty” for businesses than other California consumer disclosure laws. It won’t invite frivolous lawsuits. What it will do is help California consumers make more informed choices about the food they eat.

Link regarding litigation: http://www.anh-usa.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Prop65-and-GMO-Label-Initiative.pdf

Link from where the above paragraph was copied from: http://www.carighttoknow.org/facts
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Randy Thanks for the links. Here is a rebuttal, so chose either viewpoint...I'm not here to tell anyone what to believe.http://noprop37.com/uploads/1344548154-LegalReviewProp37WorsethanProp.pdf
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Randy Back to the subject at hand, the graphic posted here.....It is disingenuous in that it claims that the prop was not written by lawyers...but iit was. It says at the end, "(it) was written by a group of industry, science, and health experts". That's just not true....and is misleading.
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Label GMOs Hollywood What is says is it wasn't written by trial lawyers FOR trial lawyers which is one of the "other side" talking points. The content of what is in the initiative was a group effort of the groups mentioned. Of course a lawyer had to put it in legal terms. Shouldn't lawyers be involved in writing legislation? http://www.sacbee.com/2012/09/29/4864709/ad-watch-anti-proposition-37-ad.html
Ad Watch: Anti-Proposition 37 ad somewhat misleading - The Sacramento Bee
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Randy Yes, most (all?) propositions are finalized through the hand and wording of a lawyer. I understand that. But the graphic is misleading, at best. What about the last statement in orange lettering ?

Label GMOs Hollywood Bye Randy. <-- biotech troll
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(I'm now banned, and all posts deleted...not a surprise)
 
How about just a sign at the entrance of the store? "Some products here may contain gmo". Is that really unreasonable? Gmo is artificial, not natural. A store that claims they sell ALL natural foods but they sell gmo is engaged in fraud.

As a consumer, I suspect ALL food to be gmo, until proven otherwise. That is fine with me if they do not label the products, I don't buy them anyway. The sense of entitlement that most people have, where they can get food at the grocery store at any time... and they believe it to be safe because it does not instantly kill them, makes them lazy. If they were in the forest and were picking mushrooms, then they might think twice about what they put in their mouth.
 
LA Times does not support Prop 37 and is asking voters to vote NO. I'm with them 100%.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-end-prop37-20121004,0,5824651.story
Maybe if it passes we should start labeling all organic food with danger tags because it is grown in highly toxic soil made from animal fecal material that is filled with e-coli and salmonella bacterial strains with a proven track record of causing major food poisoning outbreaks around the world.
 
Labels are pointless. Lies can be printed on labels. More labels = More bureaucracy = More government. I do not support it either. I support a boycott instead. The fact of the matter is that places are deceiving people by trying to hide the facts. If it is true that they have products that contain gmo, they shouldn't post it in some small article somewhere that most consumers will not read. They should post it on a sign in the front entrance, especially when it is important in the decision making of the consumers who shop there. The reason they don't is because they know it will decrease sales, so they hide the truth... for profit. Gee what a surprise!
 
People should go to farmers markets. Get to know the local farmers. Ask them what they use to fertilize.., what they grow.. yadda yadda. Buy from ones they trust after making an informed decision. The consumers who buy from grocery stores are to blame. They put all their trust and decisions in the grocery store's hands.

Many people are ignorant and gullible and lazy. Sheeple. They do not care about GMO. That is fine. Let them die. You can't stop them. For those who are concerned about GMO.... Grow your own food. SIMPLE. Of course accepting the convenience of a grocery store is fine as long as you do your research, but research is not convenient either.

Talking about gmo in the grocery stores is kind of pointless. I always look at the root of the problem.
If there were not so many restrictions on producing your own food (here we go back to property tax) then gmo would not even be an issue. It is the fact that most people RELY on grocery stores that makes gmo an issue.
 
Any food not grown wild and eaten raw is artificial. Any crop grown with chemical fertilizer or farmed with tools is artificial. Any product transported other than in your own hands is artificial.

Another silly thread...more specifically, some of the responses to it.
 
1. a. Made by humans; produced rather than natural.

b. Brought about or caused by sociopolitical or other human-generated forces or influences: set up artificial barriers against women and minorities; an artificial economic boom.


2. Made in imitation of something natural; simulated: artificial teeth.

3. Not genuine or natural: an artificial smile.

1a and 1b (the first part) support my statements. There are other definitions that state "Made by human skill" as well. Almost no food you can consume is the same as the original...from wheat to peas to tomatoes to corn to pork to beef. All of them have been bred and re-bred using "human skill". Unless you hunt and gather wild game, fruits and vegetables using nothing more than your bare hands (no tools...that took "human skill")...it could be considered artificial in one way or another.

Also....what restrictions on growing your own food? They won't let you raise pigs on a 50 x 100 foot property in the middle of town? MOVE!

I live in the desert....there is no "farmers market" to speak of...except a few people selling pretty lousy surplus from their gardens. If I had wanted to, I could have moved 5 or 6 miles out of town and been able to raise cattle or pigs and maybe had a garden......if I had WANTED to. I didn't and don't. Bale of hay is about $16, feed has gone up drastically as well. In OH maybe you could grow your own of both, as well as grazing.....not so in AZ.
 
"Grown by humans" does not equate or correlate to "made by humans".
"Brought about or caused by" relates to the market, not the product.
1a and 1b do not support your statements.

The "if you don't like it, move" statement is dismissive to say the least. I won't play that game. No comment.

We are dealing with the obvious here. What do you think the grocery store meant by "artificial"? Obviously they do not consider it the way you are describing it. Semantics dude. They OBVIOUSLY do not define all food handled by humans as artificial... It's a friggin grocery store! Now do you have a better argument that actually addresses the point in subject instead of arguing semantics and trying to obfuscate the meaning of a word? Surely you can do better.
 
How do you feel about a GMO that was created to provide a benefit to the end user in terms of nutrition, like the yellow rice?
Taking the position that all genetic engineering is horrific "Let them die", is an extreme position. Is there absolutely no reason , ever, to use genetic engineering?

Mind you, a large proportion of useful life-saving drugs have long been produced by GMO's, in fact, the medical applications preceded foodstuff. Is genetic engineering so harmful it shouldn't be used for industrial applications either? If we found a cell line which could convert cellulose 100% efficiently into ethanol should we use it, or simply ban it because it is EEEEEEEEVVVVIIIIILLLLL!!!! or some such nonsense?

Why be irrational about genetic engineering?
 
Gmo is artificial.

Perhaps you can explain why you made this statement if MY application was wrong IYO? Do you mean GMO foods are produced in a factory by machines? Since that's apparently what you mean by artificial. I'm not sure how selective breeding, hybridization, and grafting would be much different and could be considered "natural". They sure didn't grow that way in nature without being "produced with human skill". GM was just done on a much smaller level and in a more technological way. Almost everyone is already consuming GMO foods....whether they know it or not. I'll lay odds 99% of them don't care. Canola oil...soybeans...tomatoes...corn....beet sugar... even papaya. The majority of the crops are GM in some way.
 
The majority of the crops are GM in some way.
Not really true. GMO crops are mainly the staple crops. AFAIK, the papaya is the only commercial fruit.
That story is very interesting.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2409016/

producing transgenic crops is an expensive process. Too expensive to support the work on lesser grown crops where the gross sales aren't enough to earn back the investment within the patent period.
 
Well...that's true Jay...I shouldn't have stated it as I did. I didn't really mean direct consumption products...and I realize the way my fingers typed it without my knowledge indeed sounds like that's what i meant.

I wonder about the late ripening tomatoes? Ketchup and other sauce products I assume?
 
Perhaps you can explain why you made this statement if MY application was wrong IYO? Do you mean GMO foods are produced in a factory by machines? Since that's apparently what you mean by artificial. I'm not sure how selective breeding, hybridization, and grafting would be much different and could be considered "natural". They sure didn't grow that way in nature without being "produced with human skill". GM was just done on a much smaller level and in a more technological way. Almost everyone is already consuming GMO foods....whether they know it or not. I'll lay odds 99% of them don't care. Canola oil...soybeans...tomatoes...corn....beet sugar... even papaya. The majority of the crops are GM in some way.

I'm talking about gene splicing.
 
Prop 37 claims to be the "right to know" initiative.....allowing consumers "to know what is in their foods".

First point - "the right to know"....

But people can already "know" which foods are free from GE (GM/GMO)....just look for the "organic label". That is a regulated system already in place.
Why double-up on regulation ? That's just wasting your tax $$ on redundant regulations.
If there is such great consumer interest in buying GE-free foods, then let the makers of GE-free products state so on their packaging. After all, if the public is so concerned, it can only help their sales, no ?
Why do companies place the "Kosher" symbols on their products ? Is it to warn people not to buy Kosher ? No, it's not. (link)
Creating this new prop 37 labeling system, it attempting to harm those that already use GE ingredients...and is why so many organic food companies support it.....as it will help boost their sales.

Second point - allowing consumers "to know what is in their foods".....
How many average consumers will become more educated by a GE/GM/GMO label ? How many consumers know what this label means ?
Look at the prop 37 definitions of what such a label means.... (bold highlighting by me)
(a) Cultivated commercially. "Cultivated commercially" means grown or raised by a person in the course of his business or trade and sold within the United States.

(b) Enzyme. "Enzyme" means a protein that catalyzes chemical reactions of other substances without itself being destroyed or altered upon completion of the reactions.

(c) Genetically engineered. (1) "Genetically engineered" means any food that is produced from an organism or organisms in which the genetic material has been changed through the application of:

(A) In vitro nucleic acid techniques, including recombinant deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) techniques and the direct injection of nucleic acid into cells or organelles, or

(B) Fusion of cells, including protoplast fusion, or hybridization techniques that overcome natural physiological, reproductive, or recombination barriers, where the donor cells/protoplasts do not fall within the same taxonomic family, in a way that does not occur by natural multiplication or natural recombination.

(2) For purposes of this subdivision:

(A) "Organism" means any biological entity capable of replication, reproduction, or transferring genetic material.

(B) "In vitro nucleic acid techniques" include, but are not limited to, recombinant DNA or RNA techniques that use vector systems and techniques involving the direct introduction into the organisms of hereditary materials prepared outside the organisms such as micro-injection, macro-injection, chemoporation, electroporation, micro-encapsulation, and liposome fusion.
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Text_of_California_Proposition_37_%28November_2012%29

How many consumers actually know (understand) what that those words and statements mean ?
Most consumers cannot possibly "know" what any of that means, or it's implications. Prop 37 attempts to bring fear upon the average person, and claims that by simply labeling....the consumer is now informed. Believing in something, vs "knowing" something, are often two different things.
I'm personally calling this "the fear initiative"......fear of big words, and fear of science.
 
Top contributor for "Yes on 37" campaign....
MERCOLA.COM HEALTH RESOURCES
They are anti: fluoride, mercury fillings, vaccines, GMO's, etc... (all fears, with little science to back-up such claims.)
They sell much web generated ad space (and products) based on these fears. (They are in Illinois, USA......not California.)
http://search.mercola.com/search/Pages/results.aspx?k=flouride
http://search.mercola.com/search/Pages/results.aspx?k=mercury
http://search.mercola.com/search/Pages/results.aspx?k=Vaccines

Now....(to be fair), the "top contributor "of the "No on 37" is Monsanto. But after all, this is expected, as this is who this prop will hurt the most, if passed.
This kind of confirms that the prop is to hurt such a company and similar companies. They are just defending themselves.

http://www.kcet.org/news/ballotbrief/elections2012/propositions/prop-37-funding-genetically-engineered-food.html

I am no supporter of Monsanto, (to be sure), but I dislike the belief that unproven "harmful" science is somehow mysteriously harmful .....and I'm a supporter of truth and evidence in science.
 
I have no real opinion on the labeling issue, but that Mercola site seems to tend towards bunk, for example, linked from their front page:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a.../08/choline-consumption-during-pregnancy.aspx

One of the most intriguing aspects of epigenetics is that these changes are often passed down through generations. This was first shown by the research of Francis M. Pottenger, Jr., M.D., who conducted studies on cats in the 1930s. He found that cats fed a healthy, raw-food diet thrived, while those fed on a primarily cooked-meat diet developed degenerative diseases – and those changes continued on through three generations.
Each generation of "junk-food" cats got progressively sicker, until they could no longer reproduce and eventually died off completely by the fourth generation.
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Based on that, you'd think we'd all be dead by now.

That's based on a single poor study done years ago, and never replicated. It most likely just showed Taurine deficiency in the cooked food diet - something that was unknown at the time, and something that humans don't suffer from. (taurine is why cat's don't thrive on a vegetarian diet).

http://www.beyondveg.com/tu-j-l/raw-cooked/raw-cooked-1h.shtml
 
Creating this new prop 37 labeling system, it attempting to harm those that already use GE ingredients...and is why so many organic food companies support it.....as it will help boost their sales..

I think they actually want to harm producers of crops grown with genetically engineered seeds. Those producers are farmers.

They want to force GMO products to become unacceptable. Very few genetically engineered crops are consumed in their raw or even natural state. Almost all of them are processed in some way, from soy to corn, etc.
Here is the only way that this can go, down the chain of production-

Prop37 aims to make GMO's:

Unaccceptable to consumers of these processed grains, etc. first.
Secondly, unacceptable to producers who process and sell the products.
Thirdly, unacceptable to the farmers who grow the crops used to make the products.
Lastly, unprofitable to the seed sellers who develop the seedstock.

If they want to harm the seed companies, they must first harm a lot of others first.

Let's go back up the chain of production-

They weren't able to harm the seed companies any other way, try though they did.

The farmers did not buy into the anti-GMO hype, they saw benefit, they bought seeds, not fear.

The producers got raw materials at good prices which made them competitive, or else they wouldn't have made that investment.

The consumers by and large didn't get the anti-GMO message either, and bought the products for which they evidently saw value.

It's a rough way to knock out your competition when you have to resort to using legal means to harm people who produce a legal product, along the way harming a whole supply chain in the process.
 
As I drove through untold thousands of acres of brilliant white cotton fields, bolls bursting like popcorn, and almost every speck of it GMO cotton, BTW, I had to wonder if Seriously debateable ever wears cotton clothing. I'll bet you he does almost every day, and he has genetic engineering to thanks for it.
 
As I drove through untold thousands of acres of brilliant white cotton fields, bolls bursting like popcorn, and almost every speck of it GMO cotton, BTW, I had to wonder if Seriously debateable ever wears cotton clothing. I'll bet you he does almost every day, and he has genetic engineering to thanks for it.
Thats pretty much what I said about everyone a few posts back. Cotton, HFCS, cooking oils...heck, even the ethanol in most gas.
 
Exactly, Jay....harm the end-sellers of the products first, then let the backlash filter down (up) to the source.
What a way to protest. (filter-up Reaganomics?)
 
I live in California, and so I'll be voting on this proposition. I must admit to being a little conflicted. On the one hand I'm opposed to the pseudoscience and fear-based arguments in the YES camp, and on the other hand I'm opposed to the obviously misleading arguments and purely-profit-based motivation in the NO camp.

At the "Consciousness Beyond Chemtrails" conference there was a very glib talk by Jeffrey Smith who basically thinks GMO is poison. The fact that this was bookended by Project Camelot and Morgellons is a good indication on where he falls on the science spectrum, and his book "Genetic Roulette" has been quite soundly refuted by reference to peer-reviewed science.

On the other hand, the noprop37.com site looks like a load of misleading crap. They claim that the labeling would cost an average Californian family $400 per year. They arrive at this number by the entirely speculative assumption that food producers will entirely stop using GE ingredients. Their analysis of the costs glosses over this saying that the GMO labeling will be "much lower than the substitution scenarios", and another re-labeling option they consider has costs of $1 to $2 per year.

They also claim:

Prop 37 forces state bureaucrats to administer its complex requirements by monitoring tens of thousands of food labels at tens of thousands of grocery stores, retail outlets, farms and food companies. In fact, it sets no limit on how many millions would be spent on bureaucracy, red tape and lawsuits. It’s a blank check… paid by taxpayers.
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The official state analysis of Prop 37 concludes that it would cost taxpayers millions
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But the link says:


Fiscal Impact: Increased annual state costs from a few hundred thousand dollars to over $1 million to regulate the labeling of genetically engineered foods. Additional, but likely not significant, governmental costs to address violations under the measure.

Litigation to Enforce the Measure. Violations of the measure could be prosecuted by state, local, or private parties. It allows the court to award these parties all reasonable costs incurred in investigating and prosecuting the action. In addition, the measure specifies that consumers could sue for violations of the measure’s requirements under the state Consumer Legal Remedies Act, which allows consumers to sue without needing to demonstrate that any specific damage occurred as a result of the alleged violation.

Increase in State Administrative Costs. This measure would result in additional state costs for DPH to regulate the labeling of GE foods, such as reviewing documents and performing periodic inspections to determine whether foods are actually being sold with the correct labels. Depending on how and the extent to which the department chooses to implement these regulations (such as how often it chose to inspect grocery stores), these costs could range from a few hundred thousand dollars to over $1 million annually.


Potential Increase in Costs Associated With Litigation. As described above, this measure allows individuals to sue for violations of the labeling requirements. As this would increase the number of cases filed in state courts, the state and counties would incur additional costs to process and hear the additional cases. The extent of these costs would depend on the number of cases filed, the number of cases prosecuted by state and local governments, and how they are decided by the courts. Some of the increased court costs would be supported by the court filing fees that the parties involved in each case would be required to pay under existing law. In the context of overall court spending, these costs are not likely to be significant in the longer run.
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Which makes the "more red tape" claim sound like a bunch of crap. It sets no requirements at all for state inspections or enforcement. Food producers will label, not because of bureaucracy, but because they open themselves to crippling class-action lawsuits if they do not. (Not that I'm really in favor of class-action lawsuits either, hmm).

So I'm undecided.
 
I feel the same way....sort-of.
I feel that "if" there is harm, that there is a public right-to-know, and it should be informed.
As with many initiatives on the ballot, there seems to be some special interest creatively able to make a buck.
Isn't that unfortunate ?...or is that just capitalism at its works?


I don't agree with the ballot measure as it is written.....and that's obvious as I have previously have stated why.
"the right to know"<<...absolutely no one knows, whether it is good or bad for human health.....but big govt' says "no", it's ok.
It's very difficult to argue against something that I believe in...that's frustrating me....and that's what is frustrating about Prop 37.
Even though it attempts to "inform" people (as it claims).....it is as easily misleading, as it is informing.
I don't stand with it's official argument (rebuttal) that lawyers will reap benefits off it's passage. The same can be said for nearly any newly passed law.

I dislike the whole way the prop is being passed onto public consciousness....it seems like it's a giant emotion appeal ballot measure....duping and scaring bunk, in order to garner votes. It assumes something is wrong, before proving it. It sets a dangerous precedent.

I wish it was a "stop, and test first" initiative, rather then a preemptive "we've decided it's bad" initiative.
Therein, is my conflict.
 
Well, if there's harm then they should not be selling them.

The "right to know" comes from the claim that there MIGHT be harm, and so it allows people to apply the precautionary principle. So it's not necessarily saying "label them because they are dangerous" (although the alternative health people would say that), it's more "label them because they might be dangerous to some or all people, so we should let cautious people avoid that possibility".

Kosher food hechsherim labeling (not the same type of thing, of course) is based on a far more irrational premise. Producers have no problem with labeling things for unscientific reasons if that's what people want. Labeling is really very cheap.
 
There might be harm in products containing lead.
There might be harm with products containing cadmium.
There might be some harm with products containing zinc, copper, aluminum, BHA, BHT, BPA, fluoride, bleach, alcohol, methanol, methylene chloride, polypropylene glycol , Vitamin B6, etc, etc, etc
I can still buy any of those products.
Certainly some of those are bad, in sufficient amounts.

We rely on various governmental entities to warn us, and ban or label such products. That is where our trust lies. (oxymoron ??...lol)

Those same warning systems (entities) also look at GE/GM/GMOs. They have not felt in necessary to warn or label these items (GE/GM/GMOs)


....musical interlude....George Jones - "What's Bad For You is Good For Me"
 
There might be harm in products containing lead.
There might be harm with products containing cadmium.
There might be some harm with products containing zinc, copper, aluminum, BHA, BHT, BPA, fluoride, bleach, alcohol, methanol, methylene chloride, polypropylene glycol , Vitamin B6, etc, etc, etc
I can still buy any of those products.
Certainly some of those are bad, in sufficient amounts.

We rely on various governmental entities to warn us, and ban or label such products. That is where our trust lies. (oxymoron ??...lol)

But generally those product have labeled ingredients, or the contaminants are legally required to be below a certain level.

I don't really think there's a compelling reason to label GMOs, but I don't think there's a particularly strong reason not to label them either.
 
Evolution itself is artificial. Unless you wish to define "artificial' as solely created by human beings, then the ARTIFICE of surrounding life (and the accidents from space) defined the position of every gene in every living thing. And surely there is proof in every dangerous and poisonous thing in Nature.
It is all crap.
I DO object to the dependencies artificially engineered by Monsanto et al. That's serious crap in the face of strengthening Earth's ecology. The more diverse that is, the safer we are.
 
Why not label all the pesticides used on a food product ?
Why not label the cross-breeding sources too ?
Why not label the map origin of the base products ? (they already do sometimes "COOL act"), but also the "state of origin" ?

It seems that by labeling food "GMO", will be a "bad label" like a warning of sorts, and will just increase uneducated negative public perception on an otherwise potentially good means of food production.
If it's a warning label.......where is the harm/hazard ?
 
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