We don't know exactly the intent of JH15, but it is illegal. Posse comitatus prohibits this sort of thing. Certain "people" that do these things do love to "tell us" before they do something. We shall see soon what they are going to do. There has already been a *lot* of new military air traffic spotted in the JH15 states.
Claim: US military are preparing a major PSYOP/martial law - Op Jade Helm
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occams rusty scissor
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We do know the intent. It's to allow a large scale military exercise. There is nothing under posse comitatus that prevents military from training within the US, if that was the case they'd never get anyone trained. Posse comitatus specifically relates to using military in a domestic law enforcement role, which is not occurring here.
Conduct training.
Yes, as was stated from the start. A lot of military air traffic would be present during a large scale joint exercise.
Why is this so hard to fathom?
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Not the least bit hard to fathom, why would it be?
Again, we shall see what they do with it.
occams rusty scissor
Senior Member.
Why talk about an increase in military traffic as though that would be unexpected?
So what would "they" be "doing with it"? And who is "they"?
Psychic
Senior Member
Does something about this exercise strike you as abnormal?
When my barber approaches me with his scissors, I don't say 'Let's see what he's going to do with it' - I know exactly what he will do, the same thing he does a hundred times a day. When the US military conducts large scale exercises, I don't say 'Let's see what they do with it', I know what they will do - the same thing they've done a hundred times before.
JRBids
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When it turns out to be exactly what it is reported to be....what will you say about that?
Is there some reason I should not mention that military air traffic has increased dramatically before the official "go" date? If so, I can't imagine what that reason would be.
Who is they? They would be those involved in the operation. I thought that would be self-explanatory. That's the point; I do not know what they are going to do with it. Hopefully, only what has been officially stated, and hopefully there will be no mishaps, but this is making people nervous, and that is inherently dangerous, especially in a live-round operation; humans are not universally level-headed.
Given the enormous scale of this operation, it is by definition, abnormal; we do not "normally" see this, wouldn't you say?
I have been nicked by my barber with scissors, unintentionally of course. To my knowledge, the US military has never done this before, on this scale, with National Guard, state and local LE all involved; not a hundred times, not *one* time.
Whitebeard
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Reading this exchange from outside the USA, I see there's a strange way of thinking here.
For a nation that holds its armed forces in high reverence (or so its perceived from an outside point of view) I find it strange that this and other training exercises attract so much suspicion and paranoia.
In the UK, where our armed forces are held in respect, but not the US levels of adulation, large scale training exercises are taken as just that, and not sign of an impending coup or state oppression.
For a nation that holds its armed forces in high reverence (or so its perceived from an outside point of view) I find it strange that this and other training exercises attract so much suspicion and paranoia.
In the UK, where our armed forces are held in respect, but not the US levels of adulation, large scale training exercises are taken as just that, and not sign of an impending coup or state oppression.
If it turns out that way I will say that I am extremely pleased. To be clear, I am not saying it is anything but what they claim it is, but a lot of people are concerned, I have noticed.
We have had a few awful screwups here in the past; I think that makes people sensitive to this sort of thing. As I understand it, the population in the UK is not well armed, while in America we are. To have military and non military in close proximity with everyone carrying live rounds, a mishap could turn very ugly very quickly. It doesn't have to be a coup or martial law to go bad; a simple mistake could easily touch off something none of us wants to see. That is, I *hope* nobody wants to see such a thing; I certainly don't.
Exactly correct. This is why people are concerned.
Concerned is not the proper word, more like paranoid.
I disagree. That's akin to saying that to wear a seatbelt while driving *in case* there is a mishap is paranoia.
There have been mishaps here in the past, and people are concerned. Yes, undoubtedly some of them are actually paranoid, but that is not the norm. Personally, I do not wear seatbelts.
occams rusty scissor
Senior Member.
That's right, there's plenty of times before that you were not aware the military were conducting training.
Well you did though, just above, you said that what they were doing is illegal and that their intentions were not known. This is the opposite of what the military claim it is.
Car accidents happen all the time though. The military coming to get you, doesn't. This isn't the place to voice your "concern" it is a place to present evidence to either support or refute claims of evidence. If you have some that does either, please present it.
It is my opinion that this may violate Posse Comitatus, but again, that may depend on how it turns out; a training exercise would be legal, something else might not be. There has been a lot of discussion about this and people have voiced legitimate concerns, because it is not always what we are told it is, and again, mistakes do happen.
Sorry, but this is not a thread (or a site) for vague speculation. Everything is possible, so it's not helpful to note this. Please review the posting guidelines.
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/posting-guidelines.2064/
Svartbjørn
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Your "opinion" as to what does or does not constitute posse comitatus means squat. The act states, quite clearly and very literally what its meant to cover:
Military exercises are a normal part of military life.. they happen every day across the globe with every military force on the planet.External Quote:
Furthermore, as Soul already pointed out.. IF the military were preparing for a coups, or a hostile take over of ANY kind, they sure as shit wouldnt announce it to the flipping world.. nor would they limit their scope to a few square miles.. Coups dont happen in a few select areas... a land mass the size of the continental US would need a massive instantaneous strike across every state in the union in order to pull off a major coups and put down any potential rebellion.. marking a few states and then ANNOUNCING your intentions isnt exactly being very subtle.. or smart.
Conspiracy Theorists cant have it both ways.. you cant have a military thats so smart and sophisticated that it can do anything, while being completely incompetent at the same time. Which is it? Are they smart enough to pull this nonsense off or not?
People freak out over the craziest stuff. I spent a decade in the military as a US Marine.. this is normal, every day BORING stuff. Its gonna be a bunch of guys standing post talking about football while the college educated idiots sit around and move stuff from one grid square to another in air conditioned tents while they talk about football. There will be some ground training.. classes.. probably some live fire exersizes on ranges (havent seen the syllabus for the drills yet).. This exersize being conducted by the army that everyone's freaking out about, is TINY compared to some of the HUGE exersizes I took part in 20 years ago.
I mentioned it once already.. operation Red Flag.. the ENTIRE country is divvied up into Red Forces and Blue Forces.. aircraft conduct dog fights, simulated bombing runs (some with life munitions), capture the flag ops... it was HUGE and it took place EVERY YEAR for several months at a time.. the people living in those areas were ALREADY used to it, and looked FORWARD to it because a bunch of GIs were going to be stuck on base near these little towns and had NOTHING to spend their money on. Local economy took a HUGE influx of cash as a result.
So relax.. the whole point BEHIND a psyop is that you're not even going to know that you're IN a Psyop.. which means its not going to be announced, its not going to be published anywhere, its going to be completely black.. as in NOBODY is going to know about it... and those in charge arent going to walk up to local government and say "Hey, we're gonna conduct a black op here.. here's the layout of EVERYTHING WE'RE GOING TO DO TO SECRETLY make you get used to stuff while not doing it in secret."
occams rusty scissor
Senior Member.
No, not legitimate concerns, just speculation which has been solely based on a (poor) interpretation of an open source map.
What 'mistakes' are you talking of? You have made reference to this several times now but I'm not entirely sure what you mean.
The thing is, you are not always entitled to know. As much as that stings some people in regard to "their tax dollars being spent", and assorted other arguments, these decisions are made out of public view for a reason as I'm sure you can appreciate. So when the military says "We are conducting an exercise, it'll be big and you'll probably see some of it in these areas" that is pretty much all you're going to get. Ironically, the reason they explain this to general public is to try and avoid exactly this sort of panic.
MikeG
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This is a reply to comment #128 regarding the "enormous scale" of the operation. I am not sure just how big Jade Helm will be, but very large, multinational exercises are common.
A Washington Post story provided some interesting background:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ise-freaking-out-the-internet-is-no-big-deal/
The Navy Bold Alligator exercise in 2012 involved approximately 19,000 troops from eleven countries and simulated an invasion of the eastern coast of the United States
http://www.bbc.com/news/16944360
http://newspagedesigner.org/photo/bold-alligator-2012
The 2014 version of Bold Alligator involved even more countries. Interesting that it did not provide fodder for NWO conspiracists.
We don't have to go back to the Louisiana maneuvers to find more examples.
A Washington Post story provided some interesting background:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ise-freaking-out-the-internet-is-no-big-deal/
The Navy Bold Alligator exercise in 2012 involved approximately 19,000 troops from eleven countries and simulated an invasion of the eastern coast of the United States
http://www.bbc.com/news/16944360
http://newspagedesigner.org/photo/bold-alligator-2012
The 2014 version of Bold Alligator involved even more countries. Interesting that it did not provide fodder for NWO conspiracists.
We don't have to go back to the Louisiana maneuvers to find more examples.
metaception
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Here is an interesting video that has been circling around. Apparently there is a low volume subliminal message that talks about martial law. People are attempting to relate it to Jade Helm because of all of the jade green colors in the commercial, as well as some spottings of the world "Helm". Any thoughts?
Psychic
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It's too low, I can't hear it - what does the supposed subliminal message say?
(Luckily my subconscious has much better hearing than I do, so it can still be effective.)
deirdre
Senior Member
I do hear "the governor declared martial law" in your version, although for some strange reason I don't hear it in the Spanish version...in the Spanish version I hear "the governor" but what follows doesn't sound anything like 'martial law". wonder why that is.
https://video.search.yahoo.com/vide...ug7&age=1415386666&fr2=p:s,v:v&fr=mcafee&tt=b
and AARP seems to just like Jade
occams rusty scissor
Senior Member.
I had a look on the Youtube account of "Alma advertising" who made the commercial and it seems that the original ad does indeed have that audio in the background.
Even though it talks about martial law and such, it also mentions "authorities are investigating an outbreak". There's nothing really connecting it to Jade Helm at all though, since Jade Helm has nothing to do with martial law being declared, It is an exercise. And even if it was specifically a martial law exercise, it's still not affecting the public.
The use of green in the advertising can relate to a marketing ploy with green having a psychological link to it being considered "caring" or "calm" as portrayed in the video. (Also apparently a reason it's employed by a lot of hospitals, prisons etc.)
Knowing how much marketing relies on things such as colour, that'd be my best guess as to it featuring here so prominently.External Quote:
Subliminal audio is up for debate as to whether it works as intended.
vonmazur
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Folks; This is nothing new, the US Army once had an "Agressor Force" they once occupied parts of North Carolina. The troops were all speaking Eperanto and they had checkpoints and all the usual features of Martial Law....Here is a link to some of the story; https://medium.com/war-is-boring/th...ernate-history-for-its-war-games-e733acd8438d
deirdre
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one guy, forget where, said its because AARP has always been in the NWO's pocket. : )
I cant find that anywhere, got a link?
This guys says the background says:
citizens are urged to lock and barricade all doors and any other points of entry. Riots nationwide are causing local governments to declare martial law. The president is asking that citizens find safety and remain calm. authorites are working on a plan to contain the outbreak.
which you can hear most of if you read his text while the commercial plays... plus he admits to playing with the audio.
"But in the first video above it does NOT say "local". Local sounds nothing like "the". I know what I heard
BombDr
Senior Member.
Sounds like an argument for gun control, if people are too stupid to own them...
Svartbjørn
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BombDr
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That is a good point, but should anything happen as a result of this exercise, it will be because of the likes of Alex Jones, AMTV and Dahboo77 convincing people that black is white and Martial law is being imposed for ????? reason.
BombDr
Senior Member.
That won't happen, like it didn't happen that last thousand unfulfilled predictions didn't happen. Here is an extract from a comments section I was having on Youtube:
If it happens, its usually vague like a prediction of a pandemic occuring at some time, and when biology does its thing and presents us with Ebola, then they can "Ahh HA!" in triumph at their ability to predict that occasionally nature causes a disease. But when something less likely happens like Martial Law, or something equally unlikely, they can also take the credit, as they averted it by 'waking people up'.External Quote:
I also don't mean this unkindly, but the fans of AJ and Dahboo77 don't appear to be from the high IQ demographic either.
Svartbjørn
Senior Member.
I agree with you there Santa.. but considering Abbott just ordered the Tx State Guard to "monitor Jade Helm 15 to safeguard Texans' constitutional rights, private property & civil liberties. " There wont be any.. itll be more hooping and hollering and those screaming jack booted thugs/police state/martial law/psyop will simply have to say that it was the Tx State Guard that prevented the Army and Marine Corps from carrying out their dastardly deeds.
More about that here.
metaception
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This very much so. A good friend of mine, even though I love him to death, got caught up in all of Dahboo's theories and I couldn't help but be a little condescending towards him. Specifically when the comet ISON scare was going around. My friend was 100% convinced that comet ISON was going to destroy the planet, and was desperately trying to find some DMT so he could break through one last time before the end of the world. He is also the kind of person who gets half of his conspiracies from videos on worldstarhiphop.com lol
Svartbjørn
Senior Member.
No, I wholeheartedly agree with you, its gonna be another Cliven Bundy fiasco. I hope, honestly and truly that this goes off like every other exersize and nothing comes of it at all... All its going to take is ONE moron opening fire on a squad of Marines standing post somewhere and all hell will break loose. No one is going to care about the fact the Marines were shot at first, people will start screaming and the poor bastards defending themselves are going to be up shit creek.
Also, going back to what Adam said earlier about live rounds.. nobody will be carrying live rounds unless they're standing guard near sensitive material like crypto or SCIFs. They'll most likely be carrying blanks for skirmish fights and the like, if thats on the agenda... live rounds generally arent issued for stuff like this unless there's a live fire event.
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MikeC
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I don't imagine that marines exercising among a civilian population are going to be carrying live rounds...let alone carrying them locked and loaded..... are they???
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