1. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Moderator Staff Member

    A video of an "unidentified 6ft tall creature" filmed in Canada is doing the rounds, eg: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/69285...potted-stalking-a-moose-in-canadian-woodland/

    However it appears to be simply a bit of dirt on the car windscreen:


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2PX5qSF0Go


    There is another mark above and to the right of the "monster" which keeps exactly the same relative position, as both marks move relative to the background (hard to see on these screengrabs, but easier to see on the video)

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    upload_2018-8-3_10-15-15.

    upload_2018-8-3_10-17-8.



    You can also see that the movement is simply caused by the camera movement, by comparing the motion of the "monster" to that of a fixed spot of dirt that is visible on the car dashboard:

    upload_2018-8-3_10-18-42.


    Perhaps someone who has video editing capabilities could create a stabilised version of the video to show that these marks remain stationary relative to one another?
     
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  2. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Moderator Staff Member

  3. Luc The Lurker

    Luc The Lurker New Member

    The fact it bobs up and down with the camera shake, to me, makes it very obvious its a smudge on the windscreen. You can even see the trees through the smudge. That and this creature doesn't seem to move it's static and rigid gliding through the trees.

    It's not as evident in the screenshots.

    At least most of the comments on the video also point out it's a mark on the window.
     
  4. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    a bit off topic but since The Sun screengrab used a debunked old photo.. i'll add for those interested that the insert photo, according to the gamers, is a "grim" from the Resistance video game.
    GRIM-Resistance-2.
     
  5. Sharon Hill

    Sharon Hill New Member

    Why isn't it possibly a reflection of a person inside the car onto the windshield? Looks like their hands moving.
     
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  6. GaryW

    GaryW New Member

    Sharon - I think it very well could be the reflection of someone's hand moving, or something else moving inside the car. I don't think it's due to the movement of the camera, nor is it due to a smudge on the windshield. The object's motion just doesn't seem to be tied to the camera motion. Might even be an internal refelection of the camera lenses. Of course, it could be a real "monster". ;) The moose doesn't seem to be aware of anything nearby and stalking it, and I suspect it would know and react in some manner.

    That said ... how safe is it to stop on the roadside and take video of a moose? Seems like there's a danger of it charging the car.
     
  7. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    That's what I was thinking, a kid hanging over the front seat to see the moose maybe. and the white dot moving 'with' her maybe the dome light.
     
  8. purpleivan

    purpleivan New Member

    I've stabilised the video, once with lower settings, which allows for inclusion of the opaque part of the car interior, then with high settings that results in the interior being cropped out.

    Low settings.

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qyt1BRCXHQ


    High settings.

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04eMH8D2b7g


    Here's the things I've noticed.
    • In the low settings video, for much of it but especially from 10s, there is what appears to be an large internal reflection on the window (trangular area across the corner of the video) at the bottom left corner of the frame. The movement of this appears to be a close if not perfect match to that ot the "gollum".
    • During the first 4 seconds of the video, during which the "gollum" appears to approach the moose, there is some slight parallax motion of the trees, suggestive of there being some sideways motion of the camera. Once this motion stops, so does the large scale movement of the "gollum relative to the moose. Probably this is due to the person holding the camera, moving slightly as they rotate the camera around.
    • Particularly clear in the high settings video is that at no time does the "gollum" appear to animate within itself, just shift slightly in the frame, due to movement of the camera. It's an inanimate object.
    • There is a small object (probably some dirt on the window) that moves into frame with the "gollum", the movement of which matches exactly that of the supposed creature. So unless it had a small light coloured object attached to it, hanging in the air, a few metres above it, then the two objects are likely to be rigidly attached to something else, i.e. the window.
    • The "gollum" appears to float up an down, realtive to the moose, with no apparent movement within the "body", so apparently gollums can levitate... or it's just dirt on the window.
    My best guess at what this is, would be bird droppings on the car, which are both commonplace (I've seen many of these and never a gollum) and would explain the blob, with streaks below appearance of the mystery creature.
     
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  9. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Moderator Staff Member

    Nice work on the video but I’m not sure I agree with this part. The movement doesn’t match the car dashboard as closely as I would expect if it was a fixed mark on the window, which is what I first thought it was. A reflection makes more sense, as that allows for more relative motion between the fixed dashboard and the blob.
     
  10. FatEarther

    FatEarther Member

    The fact that the 'dot' about 15cm above to the right (approx 1pm position relative to 'creature' as circled in post #1) moves with it and never comes closer or goes further away from it, to me shows they're both something (smudges?) on the windscreen and not a reflection of something/someone in the car.
     
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  11. purpleivan

    purpleivan New Member

    I started to type a reply that there is more relative movement between the "gollum" and visible parts of the vehicle at the bottom of the frame than I'd like, in order to say that this is something physcally stuck to the window. However I took another look at the video and reverted to my original position, i.e. that it's something stuck to the glass.

    What did this for me was that I noticed the strong movement of the grey part of the vehicle at bottom of the video, relative to the black part. This would most likely be due to the two being at different distances from the camera. I think that it's this movement people are refering to, as being "too much" relative to the "gollum".

    The reason that this is important, is that the grey part appears to be quite a bit closer to the camera than the window that the black part, which appears to be the frubber strip frame and so at the same distance as the window. Therefore tracking the "gollum" against the white part would be expected to result in relative movement.

    To illustrate what I mean, I put together the GIF below , in which I grabbed some frames of the video, then moved them to place the "gollum" in each frame on top of one another. This was done by eye, with a smudgy, compressed blob of a "creature" so isn't perfect, but I think that the alignment of the frames is reasonable.

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    I added some fixed position markings to the 2nd half of the GIF (a repeat of the frames of the 1st half) to aid judgement of the movement of the contents.

    With the motion of the video locked onto the "gollum", the grey part of the vehicle interior is clearly moving a quite lot relative to it.

    However apart from some slight camera roll, the black part (window frame) maintains a pretty consistent position, and therefore would seem to be at a pretty consistent position relative to the "gollum".

    As with almost all of these types of video, it's a shame that it's of appalling quality... "all the better to hide the truth of it".
     
  12. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    why can't they both be static things in the car that are being reflected on the windscreen? (like a person and a dome light), wouldn't they too move together?
     
  13. purpleivan

    purpleivan New Member

    Something pysically stuck to the window, or a reflection would look pretty much the same, within the limits of the movement of the camera and the quality level of the video. My point was that it was suggested that the "gollum's" movement ruled out an attachment to the window, but I think the GIF shows movement that's consistent with that. That doesn't rule out a reflection however, as long as what's reflected doesn't move a lot.

    Given the low quality of the video, it's probably not possible to determine which it is, but one thing that's clear... it ain't no Tolkienian fictional creature :)
     
  14. FatEarther

    FatEarther Member

    If I was to agree with you that it's a reflection, it wouldn't be 2 separate objects being reflected, because they both move in sync and don't get further apart or closer together with each movement. Two separate objets, especially if one is human, would not reflect in sync. Lets take your example of a person and dome light. If the person is moving around, they'd get closer then farther then closer then farther from the dome lite. The 'golum' and Dot above it does not show that movement.

    Two separate smudges on the window and the camera shaking (as the person holding it seems to be freaking out), would make this 'in sync' movement.
     
  15. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    I don't think they are moving around. It could be smudges, but what looks like the dirt area from windshield wipers on the left, doesn't seem to move properly with smudges. I'm not committed to 'reflections', because even at .25 slo-mo speed, everything is moving too fast for me to really process frame by frame.