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  1. Quantumbeliever

    Quantumbeliever Banned Banned

    I posted a link to a video which was removed, so Google or search YouTube for Wolfgang Halbig, a school safety expert who wAs involved in the aftermath of Columbine and after looking at Sandy Hook, became concerned. He is a former Miami State Trooper, school principal, and expert on school safety who says the investigators at SH broke multiple well known procedures. He is NOT a CT! He says he was threatened by Conn. officials and that none of his calls or FOI requests have been returned. Why not? I think the questions asked by this former cop and educator deserve to be answered. He's right; the pieces do not fit. Period.

     
  2. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    What do you mean he's not a CT? He believes that nobody was killed at Sandy Hook, which means he believes in an= vast conspiracy.

    But what actual evidence does he present? Present one.
     
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  3. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Senior Member

    Present his evidence in text form and you'll have better luck at a debate.
     
  4. MikeC

    MikeC Closed Account

    I would have but the thread on ATS I was looking at a few minutes ago has been removed as spam!! :cool:

    One of his claims that I recall (can't quote the source sorry) is that the shooter was Asperger's so can't have had the physical co-ordination required to handle guns and shoot accurately - which is, of course, arrant nonsense - I "have" aspergers, and while I wasn't a marksman I could shoot perfectly adequately while in eth military including battle efficiency tests that loaded you with stress before doing so.
     
  5. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    https://www.facebook.com/wolfgang.w.halbig?fref=browse_search


    : ) and he wonders why Ct. police are asking Florida police if he owns a gun!
    ass.JPG
     
  6. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Senior Member

    Yeah he's totally not a CT. :rolleyes:
     
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  7. Quantumbeliever

    Quantumbeliever Banned Banned

    I would relish more than anything the opportunity to see James Corbett, Sibel Edmonds, Nathan Fraser or any number of incredibly bright and well informed citizens debate the likes of "Mick" who seems to automatically take as gospel whatever position TV's talking heads and our leaders in DC want us to believe. Actually, what I would relish even more is 10 minutes alone in a room with "Mick".
    Considering we know that both the CIA and FBI have people planted on the net to use ridicule and acrimony as a weapon against ANYONE who questions authority, I'd like to know "mick's" background. Is he a paid disinformation agent? He pretends to be interested in the "truth", yet the questions posed by Wolfgang are legitimate. They are a cause for concern. The fact that he has been visited by police is incredible, if true, yet all the "truth seekers" here do is attempt to paint him as some kind of loon.
    I have two words for you, "Mick". F*** YOU. Nah, I have more. F*** YOU AND YOUR PISSANT website. What a joke.
    Gee I guess I'm banned. Lol. What a crying shame. Call me sometime Mick. I'd love to meet you.
     
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  8. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Sorry you feel that way.
     
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  9. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Senior Member

    Awesome attitude. You seem like someone who would be really pleasant to spend time with. You relish the thought of beating anyone who disagrees with your world-view to a pulp. What a real man. You're really making the world a better place, one beating at a time.
     
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  10. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    wolfgang is a putz. there is no evidence he was involved with Columbine at all. I found one article where he mentions columbine
    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1999-04-25/news/9904230670_1_seminole-county-halbig-school-year

    in his letter to the newtown board of education he states
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/02/16/sandy-hook-free-homes-and-big-bucks-incentives-for-leaders-and-players/


    [...]

    he does appear to have some experience in 'school safety' upload_2014-2-20_1-8-4. http://www.cityoforlando.net/elected/mayor/pdf/MEACReport.pdf

    but how that qualifies him in the area of police procedures is beyond me. in this article http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...1_middle-school-teague-middle-school-district he seems to be all proud that thanks to him floorplans for schools will be available within AN HOUR of an event. Perhaps as the big expert school safety dude for his district, he should have just GOTTEN the blueprints to the police department. I mean wouldn't that kinda be his job?
     
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  11. Trigger Hippie

    Trigger Hippie Senior Member

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  12. JeffreyNotGeoffrey

    JeffreyNotGeoffrey Active Member

    The surety of a position translates immediately into being right? Awesome! I must be "right" all the time. Also if the evidence is sooooooooooooooo overwhelming, why haven't "real" journalists and others actually cracked the case? Been there, seen that, bought the shirt. Take a deep breath dude and realize that this is a debate. If you want to do your "cause" justice, acting like an unhinged lunatic on the web won't really accomplish that. In fact depending on from where you sent that message, technically you might be in violation of cyber bullying laws or cyber stalking laws. But yes, that position must be soooo sound that only violence will make people believe it! Right...
     
  13. NoParty

    NoParty Senior Member

    I suppose Mick has his charms, but I'd prefer the 10 minutes with Sibel Edmonds…
    Screen Shot 2014-02-20 at 12.03.02 AM.
     
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  14. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Senior Member

    This might be it. True to their word it's been placed in the ludicrous online lies section. Bless'em.
    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread998548/pg1

    Here's a list of his issues.

    Basically it his opinion that these things are just too improbable for it not to be a staged event.
     
  15. Soulfly

    Soulfly Banned Banned

    If I actually thought the Government was coming to get me any day and that Mick was a CIA/FBA disinfo shill I wouldn't go around threatening him/them in a public forum. Sheesh!
     
  16. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Senior Member

    Gets you good street cred though.
     
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  17. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Senior Member

    Actually, an ATS poster has pointed out that those are not exactly what he says in the video, so they are someone else's interpretation and some could be considered straw men.

    This may be more accurate, from a comment at the bottom of the originating article.



    Also this article gives another overview of his questions.


    http://www.globalresearch.ca/school...ck-off-bad-things-are-going-to-happen/5369574
     
  18. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    except for
    I saw all this mentioned on his fb page. and I didn't go through it all.
     
  19. Bruno D.

    Bruno D. Senior Member

    This one keeps popping up. The idea that the guys in control would make this mistake, or insert this easter-egg, should make the person who believe it was a hoax to take two steps back.

    Why would someone risk to jeopardize a successfully cover up by putting all victims at the most watched event of the year?

    And yes, you are at the same time demanding to break one's expectancy of privacy (releasing the names of the chorus children) while being pissed of that NSA is breaking your expectancy of privacy. Very fair and reasonable.
     
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  20. Tobes

    Tobes Member


    I know a kid with Aspergers and he is a world-record-holding powerlifter. He can deadlift 600 pounds. There was another kid at a high school near where I work who had it who stabbed a classmate to death a few years ago.
    Also, the idea that it takes any kind of unusual skill or physical ability to shoot a bunch of children in a confined space with an AR-15 is ridiculous. The weapon is made to kill a lot of people with as little skill or effort as possible. Just point it in the general direction of what you want to shoot and pull the trigger over and over.
     
  21. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    Newtown Chief of Police Michael Kehoe has answered his letters.


    Edit: bold and underline are mine
    http://memoryholeblog.com/2014/02/19/wolfgang-halbigs-quest-for-truth/
    http://archive.is/yRpcj
     
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  22. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    try to provide evidence links vs. anecdotal evidence. :)
    ex: heres the first link when you google " aspergers athletes".


    http://www.lindenalc.com/sports-performance/athletes-with-add-autistic-spectrum-disorder/
    http://archive.is/syZDb
     
  23. Bruno D.

    Bruno D. Senior Member

    And everybody wanders why he is being "persecuted" by officials. He sweared, accused and kind if threatened in a few lines ...

    It's very common to find people that really think that it's possible to bully their way to what they believe is the truth. It's not how it works and it actually accomplish the exact opposite. There are a sequence of episodes from House about bullying and being bullyed that are interesting (3rd season with detective Tritter).

    And keep in mind that these type of behaviour is found at both sides.
     
  24. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    I agree with your premise in general and that "technically" (harassment) Halbigs behavior could be called bullying. But as far as all the letters he's writing to people, I don't necessarily think it meets the definitions/spirit of bullying. I think we need be careful about watering down terms.

    Definitely things Halbig says are literally bullying the families and victims. But I highly doubt Chief Kehoe or other town officials feel "bullied". I'm not sure what term I would use.
     
  25. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Senior Member

    The emails have been published on James Tracy's blog.

    http://memoryholeblog.com/2014/02/19/wolfgang-halbigs-quest-for-truth/ (http://archive.is/F87EJ)

    It's not surprising he's been ignored.
     
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  26. Tobes

    Tobes Member

    I don't think Wolfgang has the background he really says he does. A google search of his name mostly turns up Sandy Hook conspiracy sites. The only non-Sandy Hook thing I could find on him was a 1988 story about taking a job as a high school volleyball coach.
     
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  27. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    he embellishes quite a bit. in chrome browser you can set your search parameters to before Sandy Hook (dec 2012). theres still a lot of conspiracy sites, but not as many.
     
  28. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    just fun finds (during Halbigs 3 years as school security in Seminole county):
    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1997-02-21/news/9702201095_1_halbig-seminole-deputy-sheriffs
    http://archive.is/d5k4t
     
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  29. Truthurts

    Truthurts New Member

    He's asking questions that, the answers to, are normally available to the public via public records. He's keenly aware of the all the normal procedures during "active shooter" situations. Many were simply not followed. In fact so many, that only a shill puke/paid whore would even attempt to "debunk" him.

    That shoe fits you perfectly, Prick....er....I mean Mick.

    When I do a search on "Wolfgang Halbig", this shitty little "debunker" site comes up first.

    That, my whore friend, is like a flashing neon sign that you are on the government/PTB payroll.
     
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  30. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    This site comes up first because it's a popular site for conspiracy topics, and there's just not very many people writing about Halbig. Notice Tracy's "Memory Hole" site is second. Google simply puts me at the top because I have a lot more visitors. Nothing suspicious there. You can compare the two here:
    http://www.similarweb.com/website/metabunk.org#/#memoryholeblog.com
    (The recent spike is from the "fake snow" story. Normal traffic is more like 200K/Month, vs. 40K for Tracy).

    Personally I'd rather not give him the publicity, as has accusations and harassment are rather distasteful as well as being groundless. Notice this thread was started by @Quantumbeliever, and not me. QB is quite sympathetic towards Halbig, and holds a similar opinion to you about this site.

    If you wish to participate here, then please check the politeness policy. Any more insults will be removed.
    https://www.metabunk.org/threads/politeness-policy.1224/
     
  31. havan1

    havan1 New Member

    Seems to me that Wolfgang Halbig's background largely checks out. The Orlando Sentinel names him in numerous articles. And the Wall Street Journal identifies him as director of security for Seminole County Public Schools.

    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/keyword/halbig

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...B924826610798214611+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    Here is an article Halbig wrote in 2007, published in Campus Safety Magazine:

    http://www.campussafetymagazine.com...ticipate-in-School-Safety-and-Security-Audits

    This article from 2003 identifies him as "president of the National Institute for School and Workplace Safety in Maitland, Fla."

    http://www.pennlive.com/news/redlion/stories/redlion06.html

    This 2002 article calls Halbig "a former teacher and Florida state trooper who heads the National Institute for School and Workplace Safety."

    http://sparkaction.org/node/32980

    Here is an article reporting that Halbig gave some presentation to school officials as part of DOJ program:

    http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/930/1uyt.png

    Here is the organization Halbig evidently works for:

    http://childrenssafetyinstitute.com/our-story/
     
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  32. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Senior Member


    Why is it Sandy Hook truthers are the most obnoxious unpleasant people? Even worse than 9/11 zealots.
     
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  33. Pete Tar

    Pete Tar Senior Member

    I call bull on that.

    please point out what protocols were not followed.
     
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  34. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    Wow. a Conspiracy Threorist who actually tried to do some research. that's awesome. haven. Hope you rub off on your peers!

    Edit. of course him being an ex state trooper is his big sell. Can you find us some links on that?
     
  35. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member


    It certainly seems like school safety is his chosen career. But the things you link seem basically all reflection of his own self publicity. The "National Institute for School and Workplace Safety" sounds impressive, but it's just something he set up himself. The only trace it has on the internet is articles about Halbig, and a variety of automated business profiles:
    https://www.google.com/search?q="National+Institute+for+School+and+Workplace+Safety"
    e.g
    http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/NIFW:US/profile
    The link to nisws goes nowhere, it was last updated in 2006, and expired in 2007.

    The "article" about the DOJ presentation seems to be a press release that he put out himself.

    Looks like he set up CSI in 2013:
    https://web.archive.org/web/20130818052119/http://childrenssafetyinstitute.com

    Ultimately though his credentials are irrelevant. If there were suspicious lapses of protocol, then all that is required is to quote those protocols, and explain (with context) where they were not followed. An appeal to authority is entirely unnecessary.
     
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  36. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    That's odd NISW was updated in 2006. I have them filing a voluntary dissolution In 2003. Maybe his partners just bailed or something.
    http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/SearchResultDetail/OfficerRegisteredAgentName/domp-p01000090928-255d316c-1385-4918-9c09-4c235d961afd/Davis%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20Ronald%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20T/Page1

    not that it matters much except people are following him based on his self proclaimed credentials.
     
  37. Bill

    Bill Senior Member

    If you're still around it's not hard to find out Mick's background. Try reading his profile page or doing a little research.
     
  38. Bill

    Bill Senior Member

    From what I've read from Wolfgang Halbig's various letters to officials making freedom of information request and the State of Connecticutt's requirements for making freedom of information request he may not have been following proper procedures. If that's the case he wouldn't get a response.
    http://www.ct.gov/foi/cwp/view.asp?a=3171&Q=531378#ObtainRecords
    He seems to be requesting a variety of information from one person when he should be directing multiple request to different departments.
     
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  40. Bill

    Bill Senior Member

    I found a lot of references from him about expenditures on school security systems, inspection records for school security systems, licenses for transporting medical waste and a variety of other things that are not directly related to law enforcement but he seems to have lumped everything in one request rather that directing separate request to the responsible departments. He tried buttering up the Boston PD and insulting the FBI to get what he wants they didn't give him satisfaction.
     
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