Your Most favoritist Wacky Chemtrail Theories.

Mick West

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The Titanium Dioxide connection comes from the 1975 Powder Contrail Generator patent.
It's very odd though, how it never turns up in the rainwater or soil samples.

Not according to Michael J. Murphy, May 2012:

https://www.facebook.com/WhatintheWorldAreTheySpraying/posts/292391384187344

Interesting, many rain tests taken around the world have been revealing titanium
http://www.bitsofscience.org/geoengineering-nano-titaniumdioxide-climate-atmosphere-5945/
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cloudspotter

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Indeed. I think this particular theory is another example of the "magic words" source of bunk. Titanium dioxide was suggested as "what they are spraying" many years ago by William Thomas. "Nano" is always something evil and nasty. "Fibers" are linked to Morgellons, which is basically a sister theory to chemtrails. So when you do a Google search for "Titanium dioxide-coated nanofibers", then a giant lightbulb must light up.

Carbon black might have been better. You can link it into global warming, there's carbon in exhaust emissions and black is just naturally evil.


(cool, just noticed my avatar, a most excellent book. Gavin is my hero :cool:)
 

HappyMonday

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My Lord.I just discovered the WITWATS group.

Apparently,chemtrails stopped the sun evaporating water from the Pacific this summer.
 

HappyMonday

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I really don't know how to deal with these people. It's just "That's out of the ordinary, it must be (INSERT CURRENT CONSPIRACY HERE)," over and over again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBcxO2Mmi_E&feature=channel&list=UL <-- This one is particularly bad. The 'ionosphere' will go down? The sea will melt?

I've been challenging them on twitter for a week, and have noticed calls in many of the vids including this one for 'verifiable facts'. That alone is a dead giveaway, even the believers know that the people around them are peddling bunk.

EDIT - The telekinesis one is amazing.
 

scombrid

Senior Member.
That's why I posted those vids. Where do you start and how or should you deal with such people? I try to be amused because otherwise I'm fearful of or angry about how those people might act out.
 

HappyMonday

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A good line today was "You only used one website for your debunking information, whereas I used several to link my claims," (ergo my evidence is more legitimate than yours). Against that level of intellect I am entirely powerless.

I'm definitely more afraid these days, having dealt with the dangerously unbalanced on more than one occasion.
 

Belfrey

Senior Member.
I really don't know how to deal with these people. It's just "That's out of the ordinary, it must be (INSERT CURRENT CONSPIRACY HERE)," over and over again.

Yeah, especially since it's often not out of the ordinary at all. That guy in the links scombrid posted is taking lots of videos of leaf spot fungal infections that are common and normal, especially late in the season, and generally of little consequence to the health of the plant.
 

Mick West

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You have to pick your battles. Are the more unusual theories having any real impact? If its just a very small number of true believers, then while it might seem like a easy subject to debunk, you might end up just wasting time with people who cannot be reasoned with, and who are not really recruiting others.

You also run the risk of being perceived as focussing on the "crazy" in order to discredit the "real" theories. Of course this interpretation will vary greatly by individual.
 

HappyMonday

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You have to pick your battles. Are the more unusual theories having any real impact? If its just a very small number of true believers, then while it might seem like a easy subject to debunk, you might end up just wasting time with people who cannot be reasoned with, and who are not really recruiting others.

You also run the risk of being perceived as focussing on the "crazy" in order to discredit the "real" theories. Of course this interpretation will vary greatly by individual.

Using twitter, I'm essentially jumping into conversations between people who are trying to recruit others, or spread new information to others. That really annoys believers, which unfortunately gets you blocked, as does my Twitter list of "People who ignore evidence, or won't provide any for their claims,"
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
Now actually having to argue about this video as evidence for chems on Twitter.

They will believe anything.
In the description for that video it says, "PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG! I HOPE I AM WRONG."

That is exactly what Michael J. Murphy and G. Edward Griffin told me when I confronted them in a call-in radio show. "I wish this wasn't true...."

So, I told them I has here to make their wishes come true, they balked. Turns out they are usually lying when they say, "I HOPE I AM WRONG."
 

HappyMonday

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In the description for that video it says, "PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG! I HOPE I AM WRONG."

That is exactly what Michael J. Murphy and G. Edward Griffin told me when I confronted them in a call-in radio show. "I wish this wasn't true...."

So, I told them I has here to make their wishes come true, they balked. Turns out they are usually lying when they say, "I HOPE I AM WRONG."

The people I'm talking to on Twitter, especially the ones that block me after a while then continue to assert the same things, are WALLOWING in their knowledge to my mind. It seems being part of the elite group who are in the know about these things makes them feel particularly special.
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
Every time there is a murder, the police know that certain people will come in and confess. They didn't kill anybody, they just want some attention.

Meet Jim Phelps, he invented chemtrails and back in 2003-4 he began to blow the whistle. It was hilarious. I began debunking him, debating him, and exposing him. It didn't take long and he had no friends left. He eventually became a pest, and I had to ride him so hard I think I may have actually driven the guy over thehelpse edge. He seemed to disapppear off the face of the earth.

And now introducing Jim Phelps:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040409100549/http://www.members.aol.com/magnu96196/chemtrails.html

Another one is Dr. Judah Ben Hur, inventor of haarp. He had a somewhat different strategy, I think he actually expected and may have indeed parted some people from their money.
I know for a fact that the Wired Magazine obtained access to Saddam Hussein's email account after Iraq was invaded. Gaiacomm had offered Saddam his "exotic weapopnry".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/oct/31/iraq.stuartmillar

Meet Gaiacomm, AKA Dr. Judah Ben-Hur:
http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/6-07-03/discussion.cgi.80.html
If you want to see more, just google, he promoted himself fairly widely across the web for years. I think I know his real name.
 

cloudspotter

Senior Member.
Couple of interesting ones I came across today.

Proof of the use of oscillating spray heads:

osc_n.jpg


Some misunderstanding about Aluminium:

[h=5]"Read this article about alluminum toxicity, it starts like this:
"Aluminum is a trivalent cation found in its ionic form in most kinds of animal and plant tissues and in natural waters everywhere.[1] It is the third most prevalent element and the most abundant metal in the earth's crust,"
how is that accurate? Alluminum is a man made metal! it's not naturally found anywhere.. do I smell rubbish here?"
[/h]
 

FreiZeitGeist

Senior Member.
Swiss Truther-Radioshow "Wakeup-News" proudly (?) presents a real sensation:

Chemtrails on Mars!



The Background picture used in the video with Jon Grotzinger is taken from a NASA-Animation made long before MSL-Curiosity landed on the Mars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4boyXQuUIw

...and yes, there are clouds on mars and because Physics on Mars is the same as on Earth, they look quite simular to our clouds. You can find a short overview here: http://www.solarviews.com/eng/marscld.htm

Here is another fine examle of Cirrus-clouds (Chemtrails!!!) on Mars: http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap971013.html
 

Mick West

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Erm... :confused:


[video=youtube_share;aIYZvr3ueGw]http://youtu.be/aIYZvr3ueGw[/video]

Yeah that's an old one, been around about four years. The lady is obviously a little ... eccentric. I think it's best not to dwell too much on things like that (obvious mental illness), as the more "serious" chemtrail believers will just think it's an attempt to marginalize them. Here's another of her videos:


You can't do anything with that.
 

cloudspotter

Senior Member.
Yeah that's an old one, been around about four years. The lady is obviously a little ... eccentric. I think it's best not to dwell too much on things like that (obvious mental illness), as the more "serious" chemtrail believers will just think it's an attempt to marginalize them. Here's another of her videos:


You can't do anything with that.

Oh dear :eek:
 

cloudspotter

Senior Member.
I've come across several pictures on FB showing overcast skies with sunlight showing through breaks in the cloud. Apparently there's two suns now.
 

TWCobra

Senior Member.
Paul Bennet alias Paul Mac having it both ways... Geo-engineering now CAUSING global warming... and hence must be banned.:confused:

paul mac.PNG
 

MikeC

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I wonder if they are increasing their uptake to speed up the cure, and how long they will actually last??!! :eek:
 
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