UAP Predictions for Next Two years

Todd Feinman

Senior Member
So, as skeptics, do you all have predictions about the UAP situation for the next two years?
I'd guess it would be:

1. Grusch and other whistleblowers will fade away, with nothing coming of it.
2. No real evidence will come out for anomalous objects.
3. Future releases of material from government agencies will be more birds, balloons, and bokeh.
4. The Calvine photo(s) will prove to be a reflection in water or a model.
 
So, as skeptics, do you all have predictions about the UAP situation for the next two years?
I'd guess it would be:

1. Grusch and other whistleblowers will fade away, with nothing coming of it.
2. No real evidence will come out for anomalous objects.
3. Future releases of material from government agencies will be more birds, balloons, and bokeh.
4. The Calvine photo(s) will prove to be a reflection in water or a model.
Disagree with 1
Agree with 2 (any timeframe)
3 will depend on the timeframe, but multi-sensor platforms like AARO has been developing should be ready to deploy soon, and their LIZ might be something different than what we're used to
4 I expect Calvine stays unresolved, the information we have is insufficient to "prove" anything. We'd need a "confession" of some sort for closure.

- UFOlogy will make more inroads into academia. I was shocked two years (?) ago when a professor who had published against bad science endorsed a paper on "plasma" based on misinterpreted old NASA footage. If you communicate UFOlogy in scientific terms, scientists can easily be misled (and go on to mislead others).

- drone flaps are here to stay for the near future

- we may encounter a well-made AI-generated hoax in the next 3 years, which will haunt us for the next 30 years

- there may be more high-altitude balloon sightings/incidents
 
Nice! I agree with most of that, except for 2, of course. Although I think it's very probable that evidence to convince skeptics may not show up, but sightings will continue.
 
So, as skeptics, do you all have predictions about the UAP situation for the next two years?
I'd guess it would be:

1. Grusch and other whistleblowers will fade away, with nothing coming of it.
2. No real evidence will come out for anomalous objects.
3. Future releases of material from government agencies will be more birds, balloons, and bokeh.
4. The Calvine photo(s) will prove to be a reflection in water or a model.

Close. I think most of us would avoid making predictions, at least hard and fast ones. I think I would look back on the history of UFOlogy and suggest it will continue on in much the same vain. So, maybe modifying your's from above:

1. Whistleblowers will come and go and possibly resurface repeatedly, such as Lazar, but ultimately all they will present is stories. This has been history so far, so it will likely persist.
2. Things that appear in videos and photos that are labeled "anomalous" will continue to be presented because every sensor system has a limit in its ability to record something in a determinable manner. There will always be a LIZ and UFOs will always live in the LIZ.
3. Government material, like much of the non-government material, will continue to be underwhelming. There will be more videos of things like birds and balloons that some will claim are "anomalous" or defy physics, but will usually end up being rather mundane things recorded in a way to appear "anomalous", such as parallax. There will also likely be some government material that falls into the LIZ.
4. Various bits of evidence, such as the Calvine photo will continue to be debated, often without resolution. Even if something like the Calvine photo is proven to be a hoax, with the creator coming forward and explaining how it was done and behind the scene photos of the set-up, many will dismiss the confession as the hoax and maintain that the photo is a real UFO or secret aircraft.

If one wants to make predictions about UFOs, I think AI is a possible turning point. Given the ability of nearly anyone to create a compelling UFO video it will be interesting to see where that leads. A friend of mine sent a photo of him and 3 buddies at a golfer course to his girlfriend. With a few prompts she turned a simple still into a video of the 4 guys getting bombed on the course and running off. Just a silly little video and was obviously some sort of AI, BUT that's all it was intended to be, and the GF was not an experienced AI user. What can this technology do in the hands of more experienced people?

I see 2 possibilities. One is a proliferation of AI content, which we already see in all Social Media, specifically targeting the UFO crowd. In effect watering down and diluting the non-AI videos/photos that are shared. I think @jarlrmai mentioned in another post about the lack of new UFO content on Reddit and in general. I wonder if the proliferation of AI makes a shaky out of focus phone video of an orb less compelling?

I recently watched a video about Boomers embracing obvious AI entertainers performing obvious AI music because it spoke to them. A grizzled, yet still fit, grey haired quasi biker/outlaw/cowboy mash-up singing about being a Boomer. Many of my Boomer friends listen to the same music they did in the '70s and nothing else. They go see what's left of these old bands playing their long ago hits. These old band don't make new music, or if they do nobody is interested, so these new AI "acts" fill the void. It's kinda new, but sounds like the old stuff, is performed by an idealized version of themselves and speaks to the hardships and under appreciated struggles they feel they went through. In short, AI is giving them what they want. Might we see the same thing in UFOlogy? A proliferation of AI content, that even if one knows or suspects it's AI, it still speaks to them.

The counter may be an increased scrutiny and skepticism of UFO content of all kinds if one suspects AI involvement. Will the shaky out of focus video of an orb become more compelling? If so, will the AI content folks move in that direction? An obvious UFO landing at the White House is certainly possible now with AI, but absent the context of anything corroborating the event, it will be just an AI curiosity. The better AI slop might be just a proliferation of shaky out of focus videos that are hard to explain. This may also create a further retreat to the old stories and encounters of days gone by. One of the regular speakers at places like CITD has a whole talk about how known hoaxter and fake photo creator Billy Meier, wasn't hoaxing. I guess he at least was a creating "real" hoaxes with his models and camera, not letting some AI in data center do it for him.
 
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So, as skeptics, do you all have predictions about the UAP situation for the next two years?
I'd guess it would be:

1. Grusch and other whistleblowers will fade away, with nothing coming of it.
2. No real evidence will come out for anomalous objects.
3. Future releases of material from government agencies will be more birds, balloons, and bokeh.
4. The Calvine photo(s) will prove to be a reflection in water or a model.
1: I hope so. He is neither believable nor stable.
2: True ...same as it has been true for about a century.
3: True.
4: Nope, there will be nothing new coming out to "prove" anything.

Edit to add: I completely agree with @NorCal Dave 's concerns about AI.
 
So, as skeptics, do you all have predictions about the UAP situation for the next two years?
I'd guess it would be:

1. Grusch and other whistleblowers will fade away, with nothing coming of it.
2. No real evidence will come out for anomalous objects.
3. Future releases of material from government agencies will be more birds, balloons, and bokeh.
4. The Calvine photo(s) will prove to be a reflection in water or a model.
1-nothing will come of it-but to believers Grusch will become a psyop/disinfo agent. Thats the next step in the grift-o-cycle-its already happening imo (i cant understand why they listened to him in the first place)
2-true-there never has been
3-very likely-i would just the cavet of ...or other converntional objects/phenomeon
4-true-its the water for me, im there already in truth just need to the lack of a horizon explained to me a little better- a cleaner version of the pic would likely do that for me.

On the Ai thing i find lots of the "youth" start with "that's Ai" for everything. Hopefully that will follow into conspiracy circles. I'm also hopeful that tools like chatgtp with help whack the proven liars back down, there many examples of yellow journalist in this area whitewashing a lot of these guy before they do the rounds again. Bob Lazar was effectually debunked in the mid 90s that's all washed way, fml I see Doty doing the rounds again too
 
So, as skeptics, do you all have predictions about the UAP situation for the next two years?
I'd guess it would be:

1. Grusch and other whistleblowers will fade away, with nothing coming of it.
2. No real evidence will come out for anomalous objects.
3. Future releases of material from government agencies will be more birds, balloons, and bokeh.
4. The Calvine photo(s) will prove to be a reflection in water or a model.

Borrowing your format, I'd guess

1. Whistleblowers and others suggesting an exotic cause for UAP reports will continue in much the same way as they do now. They will not fade away. Most who are currently "on the scene" will still be around in 2 years. A few might become less active or less visible for various reasons just like some people in other spheres of public life/ in the news do; a few new ones might emerge. I don't know enough about Grusch as a person to have an opinion about him specifically.
I think it's unlikely that any new whistleblowers comparable to Grusch will provide testable, convincing evidence of anything radically interesting. Partly because I don't feel Grusch did, partly because I don't believe there has ever been a fruitful UFO retrieval project that a whistleblower could reveal.
There may be a small number of more dramatic, first-person accounts from claimed whistleblowers in the manner of Jason Sands; they will have little impact outside of online discussions amongst dedicated believers and perhaps one or two sensationalist infotainment TV shows.

2. There will be no testable, convincing evidence for UAP being artefacts of exotic origin (either made by non-human intelligence, or radically advanced human technology using propulsion systems based on significantly different principles to those already in use).
I don't think such things are physically impossible, but they might be very improbable. Despite many claims over the past 80 years or so, none have been validated. I'm not sure there's anything different about our current time. Such artefacts (in either category) might not exist.

3. Future PURSUE/ equivalent releases from government sources will probably broadly reflect what we've already seen. Some will be seen to have likely prosaic causes (like the probable birds near an Iranian submarine, thread DOW-UAP-PR067 Multiple Spherical UAP USO near Sub, the almost certain dislodged ice crystals observed during the Mercury-Atlas 7 flight, thread DoW second release - NASA-UAP-D013, Mercury Atlas 7, May 24, 1962). Others will be harder to explain and proposed explanations will not be conclusive (and consensus might not be reached even amongst skeptics); releases of this type will be seen as evidence for exotic UAP by some, but (2) above will still apply.

In a world with literally billions of visual spectrum cameras on smartphones, many millions of CCTV cameras (albeit most focussed on the ground environment), significant numbers* of superior visible spectrum cameras (including those working in parallel with IR imaging equipment in military optical suites like Raytheon MTS series), and where most combat aircraft have "gun cameras" but a smaller number have IR optics, I predict a disproportionate amount of PURSUE-type releases involving footage will continue to be from IR sensors. (I guess this is a sort of ancillary prediction not central to (3)).

4. There will be no progress on determining what the Calvine photo shows, though I feel Wim Van Utrecht and members here (esp. @Andreas) have demonstrated/ are in the process of demonstrating that a similar photo (and potentially photos with the presumed jet in different positions) could be manufactured with quite basic supplies. I'm not underestimating the effort Wim and Andreas have put in, though! They have to produce a photo with a passable resemblance to the original; if the original is a fake, all the photographer had to do was manufacture an image with what looks like a strange thing in the sky and a plane (or planes), it didn't need to conform to anyone else's picture.

I'm not confident any more information will be gained from further study of the original photo (well, the copy Craig Lindsey had) but I know very little about photography, and further examination by other photographic analysts certainly wouldn't do any harm.

I suspect the only way we will get a definitive explanation (if it is a hoax) is if the original photographer or someone who knew about their hoax comes forward, is able to demonstrate who they are and show a credible connection to the known backstory, and explains how the photo(s) was produced. This might be unlikely after so many years, but who knows.
I guess there's an even more remote chance that the other 5 photos might emerge from some overlooked archive at The Daily Record or Reach plc, or even the UK Ministry of Defence, and that they might contain further clues, but I very much doubt this will happen. I think they're lost.

If the photo is of a real event as described by the claimant(s), we might only know for sure if there's a return visit that provides better evidence.
This would be of vastly greater significance than the original photo (and would show (2) above to be wrong).
Maybe if a former pilot or pilots claimed they flew the aircraft (possibly plural) in the photo(s) and supported the claimed version of events, and could demonstrate their service/ work history in an appropriate organisation and state which type of aircraft they were flying (and preferably its/ their serial number(s)) and under whose direction they flew) it would be strong supportive evidence for the anonymous claim, but this hasn't happened yet and I'm guessing never will. But if the claimed version of events is true, that pilot (or pilots) must have existed.


To summarize, I expect that the UFO/ UAP scene will be much the same in two years' time as it is now. Many of the people connected to claims/ discussions about UFOs today, whatever their viewpoints, will still be around in 2 years. As in all areas of life, there will be some new notable figures and perhaps some current personalities will have bowed out. New sightings/ claims will have been made, some will be explained or debunked, as will some older cases (at least to some people's satisfaction) but many won't be.
There will be more photos, footage and perhaps other records that might be seen as evidence of unidentified flying things, some from government sources. I doubt (going on the evidence of the past 80 years) that dramatically convincing, testable evidence will be found for UFOs as exotic artefacts, but that possibility can't be ruled out. (Why some of us think that possibility might be very unlikely is discussed in other threads).
The Calvine photo will still be of interest but it probably won't be conclusively explained. However, it looks like it could be effectively reproduced with relatively limited resources, all available at that time, and with a little ingenuity; we have firm evidence that some UFO photos are hoaxes but not really any that some are of exotic artefacts.


*Although several magnitudes fewer than smartphone cameras.
 
So, as skeptics, do you all have predictions about the UAP situation for the next two years?
I'd guess it would be:

1. Grusch and other whistleblowers will fade away, with nothing coming of it.
2. No real evidence will come out for anomalous objects.
3. Future releases of material from government agencies will be more birds, balloons, and bokeh.
4. The Calvine photo(s) will prove to be a reflection in water or a model.
Pretty good, I'd say. Number 2 is hyper-strong.

I would modify 4. First, it's not very important. Second, nothing can ever prove such things about the photo. We only have probability. The probability that this is a hoax is extremely high.

In real life, let's get real mode, it's... "C'mon, dude. Jesus. Can we, fer-chris'-sake, stop talking about this piece of crap now?"
 

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