#### Qulaey

##### New Member

During my spare time over the last few months I have been debating with quiet a few flat earthers, it's been a both frustrating and very rewarding process.

through these arguments I have encountered two problems, suggestions and solutions are more than welcome.

1. The vacuum next to atmosphere

Flat earthers while I am debating with them will almost guarantee to bring up this topic, and demand "imperical evidence" as they call it, by putting gas in a vacuum chamber and they will throw at you some bullshit about the second law of thermodynamics. Is there an explanation to this that will make sense to a flat earther?

2. Mathematics

Flat earth era seem to believe that mathematics is made up by the stone masons to prove globe earth. They refuse to believe that mathematics has any application to the real life and therefore all equations false. They will often use the example, "if you have five apples and you take away six how many are left" if you answer negative one they say there cannot be negative one apples and therefore math is false or if you say it's zero, they say "shouldn't it be minus one?". Please I need an explanation in words flat earther can understand.

I have found a pattern in most of the flat earth debates that I have been in, it's always me against multiple people and it's incredibly degrading as you explain your argument once and you have to explain it again to the other person, sometimes they just chat to themselves. Debating veterans, is there a trick to debating multiple people?

Thanks boys and girls