3) It's hilarious how the same garbage can be respun over and over and over again, does the audience have the memory of pondlife?
(Attributed to P.T. Barnum)External Quote:There's a sucker born every minute.
I agree. One of the things that annoys me the most are the people who have been around for a while and have the decades of skeptical inquiry and evidence and analysis at their fingertips, but post something like this...(Attributed to P.T. Barnum)External Quote:There's a sucker born every minute.
The older we get, the more we realize that whole generations have passed who never heard the debunk the first time, either because they were too young or because they were interested in other topics back then. There will always be newbies to the field.
External Quote:According to The Guardian reviewer Adrian Horton, "As IndieWire put it, The Age of Disclosure presents 'the most convincing argument you can make without showing any actual evidence'."[6]
Writing in The Hollywood Reporter, Daniel Fienberg called the film a "sensationalistic wolf in understated sheep's clothing" and opined that "almost nothing in The Age of Disclosure is 'new,' per se" but that the quality of its production values set it apart from similar films of the genre and that "some viewers will happily celebrate the fantasy, when it looks this legitimate". Fienberg dismissed it as a "a basic cable exploitation doc done up with a fancy gloss", in which "nothing is proven, and thus nothing can be refuted".[1]
I feel the need to point out it premiered in the SXSW Film Festival on March 9 and was seen by the glitterati of the UFO community, so the substance -- or lack of -- has been available for months.The film drops on Amazon Prime tomorrow.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Age_of_Disclosure
External Quote:According to The Guardian reviewer Adrian Horton, "As IndieWire put it, The Age of Disclosure presents 'the most convincing argument you can make without showing any actual evidence'."[6]
Writing in The Hollywood Reporter, Daniel Fienberg called the film a "sensationalistic wolf in understated sheep's clothing" and opined that "almost nothing in The Age of Disclosure is 'new,' per se" but that the quality of its production values set it apart from similar films of the genre and that "some viewers will happily celebrate the fantasy, when it looks this legitimate". Fienberg dismissed it as a "a basic cable exploitation doc done up with a fancy gloss", in which "nothing is proven, and thus nothing can be refuted".[1]
Most of the reviews on IMDB are from the March Screening. Here's one new one:External Quote:Directed by Dan Farah, a producer on "Ready Player One," "The Age of Disclosure" follows a time-honored method of easing viewers into its incredible assertions, mixing out-there concepts with ideas that have the ring of truth. Surely some anomalous phenomena exist; surely they have the potential to become national security threats. And it is not surprising to hear that the government might classify certain details that should be public. The bipartisan, high-profile figures who sat for interviews (including Senator Kirsten Gillibrand of New York and former Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, now the secretary of state and national security adviser) lend credibility to the proceedings.
But "The Age of Disclosure" sneakily slips from those officials' arguments for transparency into the realm of pure speculation. If you don't believe that extraterrestrials surveil our planet in bubbles that can warp time and space, the movie suggests that you've simply fallen victim to a government disinformation campaign intended to make people skeptical of U.A.P.s. (Hasn't Hollywood, described as part of that effort, done precisely the opposite?) Question the film and you're a chump, it implies. But anyone who sits through its nearly two hours of unprovable claims is a chump of a different sort.
I was invited to an advanced screening last week, but I was too busy to go.External Quote:If you're looking for a fair and balanced documentary about UFOs, you'll be disappointed. If you don't believe in UFOs and are looking for a documentary to convince you otherwise with hard evidence, The Age of Disclosure won't change your mind. In other words, it's preaching to the choir. If, however, you're among those who are already convinced that extraterrestrial life exists and that there's a global cover-up, this will be music to your ears. It's fast-paced like a thriller which makes it feel less dry and more cinematic.
Please be curious about actual evidence.That does not mean I will "like" the film per se, but curious about what all is said.
Perhaps they mean "of the better sort, one of the good ones!"The line with "anyone who sits through its...unprovable claims is a chump of a different sort" seems a bit harsh?
I think it's probably going to be mainly about getting some insight into what people in government who have access to some of the classified stuff think.
These folks, some if not all, do have access to classified information I do not (true or false though the information may be).
I'm mostly interested in what James Clapper, Kirstin Gillibrand, Marco Rubio, Karl Knell, André Carson, and Mike Rounds have to say. I honestly don't trust Elizondo, Puthoff, or Stratton very much. I trust Grusch, but already know his claims, and I'm still waiting for them to be investigated, or corroborated. Eric Davis, I don't know enough about. I imagine he will make some claims similar to Grusch's. I'm not sure about Gallaudet. Mellon I've heard from extensively, not sure if there is anything new from him. The others probably have nothing new to add, although I'll wait and see.Which of these guys insights are you actually interested in?
I don't have military experience, but I do think one can read too much into that.Jay Stratton's BIO indicates he was involved with Information Warfare
I get the feeling a lot of the core group are connected and knew each other.
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I'm mostly interested in what James Clapper, Kirstin Gillibrand, Marco Rubio, Karl Knell, André Carson, and Mike Rounds have to say. I honestly don't trust Elizondo, Puthoff, or Stratton very much. I trust Grusch, but already know his claims, and I'm still waiting for them to be investigated, or corroborated. Eric Davis, I don't know enough about. I imagine he will make some claims similar to Grusch's. I'm not sure about Gallaudet. Mellon I've heard from extensively, not sure if there is anything new from him. The others probably have nothing new to add, although I'll wait and see.
From uap.guide :Gillibrand and Rubio know what they were told in hours of classified briefings,
None of the evidence and claims have ever panned out.External Quote:There are so many of us now on the intel committee and armed services that we're going to stand by the service members who documented this stuff. They have video. They have radar. They have heat sensors. They have everything.
— Kirsten Gillibrand, US Senator (D), Committee on Armed Services, 8/26/2022 | Twitter
We have people at very high clearances, both today and in the past, who did really important work for our government, who continue to do important work for the government, who have come forward with some claims about the US having in the past recovered exotic materials and the reverse engineered those materials to make advances in our own defenses and technologies... One of two things is happening here. Either they are telling the truth, and that is something that would obviously be the biggest story in human history, or we have people in really important positions in government who are crazy, who are making up stories, and who are still in positions of importance.
— Marco Rubio, US Senator (R), 9/15/2024 | Fox News
I think the whole idea that these guys, Elizondo, Grusch, Puthoff, Gallaudet have all this inside classified info is all part of the mystique. I'd wager that for the most part they don't have jack-shit, just a bunch of stories they pass amongst themselves and repeat for the likes of Coulthart or will share with paying costumers at various UFO festivals.
A link to that would be helpful.Since statements from those in charge of AARO have confirmed there does appear to be something very extraordinary to the UAP topic according to the evidence they have
from Nov 2024, perhaps there is something more recent that I am missing?External Quote:"It is also important to underscore that, to date, AARO has discovered no verifiable evidence of extraterrestrial beings, activity or technology. None of the cases resolved by AARO [has] pointed to advanced capabilities or breakthrough technologies," he pointed out.
A link to that would be helpful.
All I can find is:
from Nov 2024, perhaps there is something more recent that I am missing?External Quote:"It is also important to underscore that, to date, AARO has discovered no verifiable evidence of extraterrestrial beings, activity or technology. None of the cases resolved by AARO [has] pointed to advanced capabilities or breakthrough technologies," he pointed out.
https://www.war.gov/News/News-Stori...d-examining-unidentified-anomalous-phenomena/
Edit -- My search was hampered by having initially searched for "Aaron Syad they have evidence of unknown technology" because I am tired and typing sloppily. When that was corrected to "AARO said" I found the above. Google assuring me that Aaron Syad had never made any claims about advanced technology was a confusing
moment...^^
As for them all knowing each other,
Pretty much all of them believe they (and/or someone they know) have had paranormal experiences - some of them pretty extreme encounters with beings.It's the same group of people telling each other the same stories and never producing evidence for any of it.
A link to that would be helpful.
says they haveExternal Quote:the black triangles
evidence, and that,External Quote:all of the above
External Quote:there are some spooky things in places they shouldn't be, with performance characteristics that we couldn't duplicate today, so what is it?
Timestamped link below.External Quote:We're not quite as picky. So, we're not requiring breaking the known laws of physics. We're just saying, going well past the bounds of our engineering. So, for example, we're not assuming it can travel faster than the speed of light, we're just saying, if it's in the lower atmosphere and it's going mach 35, that's very interesting to us. May be physically possible, but the engineering would be very outlandish.
Many of these guys have been interacting with each other for years. The photo from up-thread:
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Puthoff and Davis along with Kit Green and Jacques Vallee had been discussing crashed UFOs and secret programs for decades. Nolan claims to have learned most of his UFO beliefs from these guys. Vallee, Puthoff and Davis were all instrumental in the National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS), Bigelow's first privately funded "research" program at Skinwalker Ranch. NIDS was shut down due to a lack of results, but was reconstituted as BAASS with taxpayer funds under a DIA contract for the AWWSAP program, which also fooled around at Skinwalker Ranch and included the likes of Stratton.
BAASS contracted with Puthoff's EarthTech Sciences company to produce a series of speculative papers which included papers by Puthoff and Davis. When AWWSAP funding was cut, it was Puthoff, with some others that tried to get the KONA BLUE program going at DHS. That failed because of the UFO language they tried to include. With AWWSAP done and no new UFO/paranormal program to replace it, Elizondo and Stratton started their own UFO side-gig, AATIP.
Elizondo left the government ...
Many of these guys have been interacting with each other for years. The photo from up-thread:
What gets me is that Puthoff has been allowed to regain scientific respectability after falling for Ingo Swann and Uri Geller.
Pretty much all of them believe they (and/or someone they know) have had paranormal experiences - some of them pretty extreme encounters with beings.
So it's not like they are all just going off what the others say. Most of them have their own memories of perceived events (which they assume are accurate) as foundational evidence.
The number of deceptive edits in this film is staggering. We have Puthoff talking about craft creating barriers to space time that prevents their capture by photography, while they cycle through some of the most crap UFO images.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/nov/22/age-of-disclosure-documentary-aliens?External Quote:
But there's a reason why Farah gravitated towards Elizondo (who also serves as an executive producer on the film). He's got genuine credentials. A former Pentagon official, who helped lead the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), Elizondo eventually left his role in 2017, claiming the department was hiding vital information from the public. He also claims there was a "powerful disinformation campaign" from the Department of Defense to discredit his work.
And right away we get the Skinwalker Ranch take on UAP:External Quote:
Making a point to "only interview people who have direct knowledge" of these programs from working within the US government was a north star for Farah –
As noted multiple times, AATIP was an unfunded (except when Elizondo "borrowed funds" from legit programs), unofficial side hustle run by Elizondo and Stratton after the boondoggle at Skinwalker Ranch that was AASWAP got shutdown. I'd have to check, but IIRC, the "non-human beings" Stratton saw at Skinwalker Ranch were were-wolves or something similar.External Quote:
His first big commitment came from Jay Stratton, one of the defense officials who started AATIP. He had an established career investigating UAP and non-human intelligence life on behalf of the government, and was responsible for briefing senior lawmakers in Congress and the White House. "I have seen with my own eyes non-human craft and non-human beings," Stratton says plainly at the beginning of the film.
Just completely speculating here, but maybe Farah has mixed up somebody from AWWSAP/BAASS like Colm Kelleher or he's mixed up Stratton's time at the UAP Task Force where Travis Taylor was the "chief scientist". Maybe Farah took whatever the Skinwalker Ranch crew told him at face value and they just played him. They recreated the halcyon days of 2017 when Elizondo and Stratton were running the governments official $22M UAP program. I don't know.External Quote:
The former chief scientist for AATIP claims that those who are tasked with ensuring information about UAPs doesn't leak "will use whatever tool they can find to try to convince people they shouldn't come forward".
So, Farah and the author know about Soviet UFOs, but people in the government don't.External Quote:
He says this race escalated when the US found out that other countries, like Russia, were capturing and retrieving UAP technology. "Here we are now where the people who run our country are not aware of the facts," he added.
Farah continues (bold by me):External Quote:
In The Age of Disclosure, it's clear that there is little room for push back or skepticism, particularly since there's not a single detractor in the film to serve as a foil to the plethora of resolute interviewees. And Farah, for his part, doesn't see the need for those voices to cloud the documentary's throughline. "I think when people watch this movie, one of the realizations will be that the stigma around this topic is completely illogical and makes no sense and is not good for humanity," he said.
And the scientific community needs to accept alien UAPs as fact based on what? Evidence? No silly, just based on testimony:External Quote:
"We need the scientific community, not only in the United States, but in every nation, accepting the fact that this is a real situation, this is a valid area of inquiry, and that they should put their brain power towards learning about this and answering a lot of the big questions that remain."
Apparently evidence can be faked, people talking about evidence can not. Not sure about people not fake talking about fake evidenceExternal Quote:
Testimony is ultimately what film hinges on, and it's really the only "proof" it can offer. This, for Farah, is more compelling. He believes that "the strongest evidence" is "credible people putting their name and reputation on the line to tell you what they know at great risk". When it comes to video and photos, the director notes that it would do little to quieten claims that it's all a hoax. "You could put a picture or a video of the most extraordinary thing on the cover of a major news publication or on major plants on TV, and half the human population would tell you they think it's AI or they think it's visual effects," he said.
Although they may say that, I doubt all of them believe what they say.
We already kinda have it, also courtesy of Brian DunningAge of Dillusion is a documentary film I might go and see if it were ever made, as I can't help but think that's what we are sliding into. It'd be up there with Science Friction