NewsNation 'The Desert Sky Mystery' - Arizona US Border Patrol UAP

Kyle Ferriter

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Flagging this forthcoming NewsNation special from Ross Coulthart, involving a US Border Patrol agent who says they have been seeing UAP. They will be showing video of those UAP, allegedly filmed on 'military cameras'. The very short clip included in the promo video looks like a small distant light filmed with green night vision but perhaps there is more. They also included several videos of "UAP" in the promo that have been around for years and one which came from the recent "new jersey drones" stuff, unrelated to this border patrol special.

It will be 1hr long and will be released at 8pm EDT on Saturday, May 10, 2025.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/space/ufo/hunting-ufos-desert-sky-mystery/


Source: https://x.com/NewsNation/status/1920173449579810938
 
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"HUD in Tact"?

Cropped in?

9:58 runtime?

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Possible link to agricultural irrigation in Colorado?
 
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"HUD in Tact"?

Cropped in?

9:58 runtime?

Does that make any sense? They're watching, or maybe paused at, the 03:17 point of a 09:58 video.

Heads Up Display is in tactical mode? Assuming that's such a thing, that would mean an aircraft right? The "HUD in Tact" is proceeded with a "-" after "he". Maybe "ache"? "Apache County"? That's north east in the Navajo reservation.

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Apache AH-6 helicopter? That sounds silly, it wouldn't say that on a screen. There was a Piper Twin Comanche, but it' doubtful CBP ever used them.

And what's the word before "Cropped in"?
 
"Hud In Tact" might be indicative of fakery, if it's meant to be "HUD [head-up display] intact", though why you'd need such a message I don't know.
Maybe it means "HUD in tactical mode", whatever that might be.

The "(?...)ache" might be "Cache", though @NorCal Dave's "Apache" works too.

The collection of coloured lights seen very briefly at 20 seconds into the video could be a security camera filmed at a strange angle as a teaser.

Maybe with John Wick hiding behind it, but I've yet to meaningfully test that hypothesis.

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Edited to add: See @Kyle Ferriter's post below, the image above looks like it is a still from footage of an aircraft landing/ taking off.
 
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"Hud In Tact" might be indicative of fakery, if it's meant to be "HUD [head-up display] intact", though why you'd need such a message I don't know.
Maybe it means "HUD in tactical mode", whatever that might be.

The "(?...)ache" might be "Cache", though @NorCal Dave's "Apache" works too.

The collection of coloured lights seen very briefly at 20 seconds into the video could be a security camera filmed at a strange angle as a teaser.

Maybe with John Wick hiding behind it, but I've yet to meaningfully test that hypothesis.

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This clip this particular frame is from is the only one that is relatively new that I noticed in the promo video (aside from the night vision one that is the subject of the special). It's from mid-December 2024, from when NewsNation sent out a camera crew to the coast in south New Jersey to try to film (with the help of a local sherrif) some of the mysterious drones alleged to be flying overhead by the hundreds every night. They filmed a bunch of things that look like airplanes, including some obvious large airliners, and they refused to provide additional details which could help identify them, but were happy to spread the baseless and doubtful claim (probable lie) that it was impossible to identify them and the US military couldn't identify them either (definitive lie). Since then, NewsNation and its employees have continued to use this clip and another one from this same original December segment of an airliner as background/illustrative footage during segments about mysterious drones / UAP / aircraft evading FAA and US military monitoring efforts.

To be clear what they did was they took the story the US military had reports of large numbers of drones flying over a few bases (a story still unproven in my view), then they went out and filmed passenger airliners in a location near multiple airports which would have relatively low flying airplanes, and ran the story that those were untraceable aircraft and the military couldn't identify them. The military, FAA, FBI had no part in this. This story was a 100% fabrication by NewsNation and I am honestly a bit heated about the fact that they have been flagrantly lying to their audience about this for 5 months straight, with no shame or engagement with the criticism or requests for details to corroborate (or disprove) their published journalism.

For this image see 3:04 here:
Source: https://youtu.be/K98A4CLMwf4

But I digress
 
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Some more screenshot and clips here:

https://www.newsbreak.com/newsnatio...-presents-hunting-ufos-the-desert-sky-mystery

That's Ross with Melinda Leslie - who calls herself a 'Psychic & UFO Town Guide" ...

https://sedonanewagestore.com/psychics/melinda/


I previously exposed one of her videos as showing Starlink here: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/orb-ufos-in-sedona-likely-starlink.13666/#post-323823

She was also at the November 13 2024 Congressional UAP Hearings : https://www.metabunk.org/threads/wh...-congressional-uap-hearings.13766/post-328145


Who are these people .... ?

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Let's remember, flarky worked on the Pentrych SF military training and exercise UFO claims already:

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/the-pentyrch-ufo-encounter.11738/

One can skip to the 20:00 mark or so of this promo/Q&A session and hear Coulthart talk about Caz Clark's claims, and how many, even in the Welsh UFO community, think it's all BS. Coulthart doesn't think so and how he would love to study it, but it's just too expensive to go to the UK apparently. He doesn't seem to have much trouble hitting expensive places like Sedona which is pretty far from Oz as well. And Sedona is not exactly "near" the border. One could argue it's about the same distance from the border as it is from the Four Corners.

I got that it was polite way to acknowledge the case as a "maybe" without saying he's not going to waste money on something from Wales with little to no visuals to show that is largely based on 1 unreliable witness.

Prior questions included why Jacques Vallee isn't sharing more of what he supposedly knows which elicited a rambling answer about Vallee's involvement with Bigelow, so therefore he was bound by DOD security protocols, and oh yeah Lockheed has a spaceship they were going to give to Bigelow but the CIA stopped it. And like Vallee, Couthart knows stuff he can't "vomit" up because he's a patriot and some things ned to be classified to protect the US and his beloved Australia, but there is also a cover up. :confused:

I seriously can't believe this is taken seriously.

They seem to be watching a Youtube video, the player has all the YT controls, possible unlisted or private

Similar, but not quite. No logo, no share button. A different version? Or just all players use a similar format?
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These are the controls in full screen mode on my YT player in Chrome on Windows 10

That's strange, I still get the logo and the "play on TV" button. Full screen on a Chromebook.

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But, this is going full screen from the video in flarky's post. If I'm signed into my YouTube account and go full screen I lose the logo, but still have the "play on TV" button. I forgot it's not a logo, it's a watch on YouTube button, so if i'm on YouTube, it's not needed.

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Similar on a Mac, except the "play on TV" button is replaced by the "Airplay" button. So, it seems they're watching a YouTube video on someone's account, on full screen with no other device to play to.
 
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How is it possible to fail to keep track of a stationary object (the screen). The cigar video is blurry enough as it is, but the video of the video seems to have been recorded by someone that was expecting the monitor to jump at any moment.

I wonder if the A10 could be a random bird much closer to the camera, they are just assuming that the object must be close to the A10 which must give it a large size and high velocity, and they even imply the pilot intentionally evades the object despite admitting they haven't even spoken to them. But that just seems like unfounded speculation, I don't see the object pay any particular attention to the A10 (and you'd think that if it were following the A10, then it wouldn't just keep going straight when the A10 turns)
 
Good spot! Looks like overlapping clips from the same source video, with the "new" one showing the A10 turning after the original clip we had ended, and the bird just flying straight.

Timestamp on the HUD at the end of the original video from that thread is:
04/14/21
23:11:16
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This new video starts at:
04/14/21
23:11:10
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They even left the bird flapping at the start of the new clip. I guess they showed the new clip to put forward the idea the A10 was trying to maneuver to flee the orb. So just more rehashed clips. I guess technically we hadn't seen these new few seconds of the video so "never seen before" is technically correct.
 
Just to get out ahead a bit on this. I found a video from someone that did a UFO tour in Sedona with Melinda. They go out with night vision goggles and look for stuff. Coulthart is clearly going to include this in his upcoming special, so this is maybe what we'll be presented:

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLve_tt3fRc
At ~4m15s did I hear something like "Well beyond the angled sunlight, definitely not satellites. There's no angled sunlight to light up satellites"? And yet we know they set off at twilight, so they're probably only a few hours after sunset - exactly when the sun's at the right angle for starlink flares.

Yet another case of "definitely not" in narrative corresponding to "easily proved to be" in reality.
 
At ~4m15s did I hear something like "Well beyond the angled sunlight, definitely not satellites. There's no angled sunlight to light up satellites"? And yet we know they set off at twilight, so they're probably only a few hours after sunset - exactly when the sun's at the right angle for starlink flares.

Yet another case of "definitely not" in narrative corresponding to "easily proved to be" in reality.

Yeah, I don't think Melinda has your math chops to calculate when the sun might be reflecting off satellites and given that they're using NVGs, it might not even be relevant. But your $90 will buy you a guarantee you'll see something:

External Quote:

We use Generation 3 Military Night Vision Goggles for seeing over
20,000 times more light than is possible with the naked eye and increasing your chances of having a Sedona UFO sighting by 20,000 times! We're so certain we'll have sightings we have a money-back guarantee!
And you'll get to visit a vortex/UFO hot spot:

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We'll visit a UFO hotspot well known for frequent sightings that is also a vortex location where you will experience
some of that "vortex energy" Sedona is famous for.
I've hiked and 4x4ed in and around Sedona and yet to experience a "vortex", but like you, I'm pretty cynical. Then again, I didn't pay up the $90 to the "UFO Lady":

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Melinda Leslie "The UFO Lady"

Melinda is a researcher and investigator in the field of Ufology with over 35 years of
experience. She is the Director of UFO Sighting Tours in Sedona, Arizona, conducting nearly 1,860 tours with the use of military Generation III Night Vision Goggle equipment, vortex experience, psychic and mediumship consultations, and teaches a class on how to bend metal with your mind (Psychokinesis).
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https://sedonanewagestore.com/sedon...sA-mywUUTvszz61uaBswsE9KZiShDNS4AuCHYNBAlru3N

I originally posted that video, just as a starting point about this lady that Coulthart hung out with and what she does. As @jarlrmai noted above, some of her stuff has already been explained, but in the previews it looked like Coulthart was showing some more movements though the NVGs.

I guess the other thing to note, is compared to Grusch and Barber, Leslie lacks similar credentials. Grusch was an Intel officer. Whether Barber learned to fly in the Air Force is unclear, he did serve as an mechanic in the USAF and is currently a licensed pilot. Leslie just seems to be one of dozens of psychics plying her trade in Sedona that happens to include UFO viewings. She's just a self-accredited UFO expert. And spoon bender.

Barber's whole psyonic thing and his experiencing God is decidedly fringe, but it's always backed up with his USAF Special Services/pilot credentials. Leslie is full Sedona New Age fringe. She operates out of the "Center for the New Age", which besides offering, UFO tours, psychic readings, crystals, aura photos, and horoscopes, one can make an appointment for some "Pleiadian Quantum Healing Technology" sessions in their "Sedona Tachyon Chamber":

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Tachyons are extraordinary subatomic particles that travel faster than the speed of light. They infuse physical matter with spiritual light, making them integral to our understanding of energy and healing. The process known as "Tachyonization" enhances the quantum properties of matter by increasing its tachyon content. This unique connection to Source represents the highest vibrational frequency that can coexist with physical matter.

The Pleiadians are a collective of multidimensional spirit beings from the Pleiades star system, dedicated to assisting humanity in its spiritual transformation and growth. Often considered our cosmic cousins, the Pleiadians are deeply concerned about the future of Earth.
https://sedonanewagestore.com/sedona-tachyon-chamber-pleiadian-quantum-healing-technology/

This is fringe, fringe. I think Coulthart was in Arizona for some revelations around the border and then bopped up to Sedona because it's a cool place and Leslie provided him with some much needed video. Despite her lack of credentials and connections to some really fringe stuff, she had the video goods for TV.

And yes, all of this weird New Agey stuff is not really that different from Skinwalker Ranch claims or UFO people like Hal Puthoff and his experience with spoon bending. But SWR, AATIP, Statgate always had the veneer of government legitimacy. Grusch, Barber, Brown were all in the military or Intel sector. Puthoff, Davis, Vallee are all real PhD scientists. Now Coulthart is getting information from New Age psychics.
 
In fairness if you've got a problem with your Pleiadian Quantums, there aren't many other options out there.

(Quanta, I know).
You bet there are other options! I can solve any Pleiadan Quanta problem for just 9.99$ (*), and I even do it by remote for the maximum of convenience!

(*) in advance, and a no-refund policy applies not to offend the Pleiadians, which you really don't want to :p.
 
Ok, I watched the video. Giant waste of time with just rehashed old cases and a couple of wacky new claims about portals and secret bases.

02:28
First segment is Coulthart talking to the Border Patrol "whistleblower", Bob Thompson, and UFO podcaster Andy Marcial.

They just rehash two old videos:

"La Bruja": https://www.metabunk.org/threads/mexican-uap-2023-la-bruja.13312/
The "rubber duck": https://www.metabunk.org/threads/dhs-rubber-duck-footage.12054/

They tell stories about how CPB and military pilots see spooky strange stuff like this all the time in the area.

07:27
Lue Elizondo cameo, where he says spooky strange stuff happens in AZ.

07:46
NewsNation border reporter Ali Bradley, talking about how cartels use drones for surveillance and drug smuggling.

09:59
NewsNation reporter Rich McHugh showing what are very clearly airplanes during the NJ drone flap, and calling them mystery drones.

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10:31
Coulthart says AARO calls the objects in the DHS videos drones. I am not aware of AARO making any statements about them.

12:23
Coulthart visits SCU HQ and talks to board member Rich Hoffman about the "La Bruja" video. Hoffman says there was no wind so it was under intelligent control. SCU member Matthew Szydagis says it doesn't look like a drone or plane, and the camera is in black hot mode and the object is white, so it's not an animal or a machine. He says we have not only the video but stories from witnesses and "trained observers can't identify them" so they must be anomalous. No discussion about how balloons can appear cold.

15:24
Coulthart talks to SCU member Peter Reali who authored their report on the "rubber duck". He says it had a unique shape, the camera was in black hot* mode so it wasn't a drone, and the pilots said it was going against the wind so it can't be a balloon.

16:40
Another Elizondo cameo where he says the "rubber duck" is anomalous.

17:30
Back to Reali, they rehash the SCU "rubber duck" report claiming the object is circling. He says there's no natural prosaic explanation that could explain the object circling for 40 minutes. Hoffman says there's no rational explanation. They do not discuss the possibility that it's actually the camera moving.

17:58
Coulthart talks to the Tedesco brothers. A couple of highly cropped in clips of blobs of light they captured. I can't tell, but one of them might be the clip discussed here: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/news-nation-light-in-the-sky-video-tedesco-brothers.13684/ They talk about the spooky strange stuff they captured.

19:50
Coulhart links the DHS videos to the classic Phoenix Lights case, which has been discussed here: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/phoenix-lights.11938 He talks to medical doctor Lynne Kitei at the UFO Experience museum in Scottsdale, AZ. They rehash the case, and Kitei says it can't be flares because the effect hasn't been replicated with flares. While they are saying this, Coulthart is showing clips of countermeasure flares rather than illumination flares. She is apparently not familiar with the 29 Palms case, as discussed here: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/twentynine-palms-camp-wilson-triangle-uap-flares.12967

23:08
Elizondo cameo where he says we know they weren't flares. He correctly describes illumination flares. He says they burn out, but that didn't happen with the Phoenix lights.

23:31
I don't know why they made this editing choice, but right after Elizondo says that they cut to Kitei saying two lights just disappeared and showing a clip of them fading out, showing exactly what Elizondo says didn't happen.

23:45
Coulthart and Kitei talk about how there are supposedly interdimensional portals in AZ.

24:21
Coulthart talks to John Dover, former Navajo Ranger. He says they have portals on the reservation, and you could walk into once without seeing it. They talk about Navajo religion including deities who taught the people, and say they were really talking about aliens. The "La Bruja" video was filmed over native land, so it's definitely the same aliens who visited the ancestral Navajo.

26:03
Bob Thompson says CBP agents reported they saw interdimensional portals opening in the sky.

27:06
Coulthart goes to Sedona, AZ to talk to Jeremiah Horstman and Alexandra Caldwell who believe the government built a secret crash recovery base over an interdimensional portal.

28:10
Coulthart shows Michael Shellenberger talking about how Immaculate Constellation is real. This has been discussed here: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/im...-uap-identification-and-crash-retrieval.13694 and here: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ma...stellation-report-author-whistleblower.14170/

28:48
Coulthart talks to Horstman and Caldwell about their sighting of an alleged disk shaped UFO being escorted by a helicopter. They took a picture of it with their ipad. It just looks like the standard bird/bug in the foreground we always see (I presume the reticle was added by NewsNation as they did on other photos they have shown throughout the piece).
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They also captured a picture of a "square shaped hillside entrance [the the base?] with an intense light emmenating from inside." It just looks like a light on a hill (possibly a fire, vehicle lights, etc).
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30:00
Coulthart bring up Jake Barber as "hard evidence". It's just clips from the Barber interview with no hard evidence presented. The egg video is shown. This has been discussed here: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ja...hart-about-non-human-technology-the-egg.13949

32:20
Coulthart talks to UFO author Tom Dongo about his claims that Bradshaw Ranch has an interdimensional portal that UFOs fly out of. He shows Coulthart pictures of random lights and what looks like a long exposure picture of light leaving a trail. He says they are coming out of the ground, but it looks like they are just appearing from over the horizon.

33:28
Elizondo cameo where he says we know the government is hiding recovered craft and of course he can't say anything about them or where they are.

33:50
Coulthart goes to the Bradshaw Ranch with Horstman and Caldwell. There's a Northern Arizona University gardening experiment near by. They say it's cover for the secret deep underground military base.

34:45
Coulthart meets with Melinda Leslie to see some UFOs at one of her paid sighting events. They use PVS-7 gen 3 night vision goggles to look at airplanes, helicopters and satellites. It looks like she is pointing at them with a laser pointer which is quite dangerous for the pilots of the planes and helos.

38:28
Bob Thompson shows the never before seen video of "the cigar". Hoffman from SCU says it has propulsion so it might be a missile. Reali contradicts this as says it doesn't seem to have any lift mechanism and is a uniform color so it's a mystery what it is.


Edit: I incorrectly said Mr. Reali said the "rubber duck" video was white hot mode, but he correctly stated it was black hot mode and white is cold, but I misheard.
 
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Who are these people .... ?

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John Dover, former Navajo Ranger.

Lynne Kitei, medical doctor.

Tom Dongo, author of UFO books such as Merging Dimensions, co-authored with Linda Bradshaw, about interdimensional portals at a ranch in Sedona, AZ.

Peter Reali, author of the SCU "rubber duck" UFO report.
 
Ok, I watched the video.

Your doing the Lord's work my friend. I started. I tried. I had a word document going with transcript quotes and just couldn't watch anymore. There is little to nothing new, just trying to breath new life into old cases.

I was amused by the border reporter basically saying, yeah the cartels use lots of drones along the border. Rather than discuss how that might explain the UAP sightings along the border, he shifts to NJ drones and the dangers of airspace incursions. While showing an obvious airliner on approach. Mystery, to explanation, to straw-man, to an airliner.

But hey, Knapp & Corbel's 2nd video with Brown about ImmConn came out, so I'll have to subject myself to check that out.
 
It looks like Coulhart is making it a series with the next episode set to release on the 14th.
The two people pictured in the thumbnail for the next episode are Jeremiah Horstman and Alexandra Caldwell, whom Coulthart spoke to about the alleged portals and secret military base under Bradshaw Ranch. The ranch is located about 8 miles Northwest of Sedona, AZ (google maps link).

Based on the title "Hunting UFOs: Radar reveals alleged underground chasm in American Desert" they are probably going to show radar scans showing a void underground somewhere around the area. The area has a lot of sinkholes and underground caverns due to the composition of soluble sandstones and limestones with differing rates of dissolution (know as karst).

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Source: https://www.arizonaruins.com/sedona/sedona_geology.html

External Quote:
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Schematic cross section of rock strata in vicinity of Devils Kitchen sinkhole. The elevations and geologic formation contacts may vary by small amounts due to interpretational differences. A solution cave within the Redwall Limestone (approximately 200 feet in diameter and 180 feet high) collapsed due to lack of roof support. Over a period of time the caprock caved in and finally broke through to the surface (1880s?).
Source: https://azgs.arizona.edu/photo/schematic-illustration-sedona-area-sinkholes

So it's very expected for there to be underground caverns in the area.

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Source: https://thewanderers.guide/blogs/news/the-secret-caves-of-sedona-az

The Northern Arizona University SEGA (Southwest Experimental Garden Array) experiment, which Horstman and Caldwell told Coulthart was a cover for the secret base, is actually researching how to make plants more resistant to climate change.

External Quote:
Initiated in 2012 with $4 million in seed funding from the National Science Foundation (NSF) and Northern Arizona University these 10 garden sites, will allow research that scales from genes to ecosystems, to test the genetic basis of plant performance along environmental gradients. The predictable changes temperature and moisture that occur along this elevation gradient mean that large scale field trials and monitoring can be carried out under conditions of predicted climate change. Sited on a combination of federal and private lands where soils and vegetation types are representative of large tracts of the southwest, SEGA gardens will generate research findings that can be readily translated into broadly applicable management practices.
Source: https://www.sega.nau.edu/about

The Bradshaw Ranch site has been used in a plant genome study.

External Quote:
As well as the historic adobe home there is also a much newer (now derelict) structure on the property, along with old corals and a defunct windmill. In May 2003 it became another parcel of federal Forest Service land. SEGA has a special use permit with the National Forest Service for up to 20 years to conduct long-term climate change research on up to 22 acres at the site.

The SEGA site fence encloses an area of old pasture/field & has a 900 ft deep well for water to the irrigation system – currently powered by a diesel generator. Directly to the east of the field site/exclosure is a small wash and then an area of upland pinyon juniper which could also be used for experiments.

As part of a cottonwood common garden experiment, 1000 Populus trichocarpa from the center of its natural range were planted in May 2016 (as well as at another site in Oregon) as part of a genome-wide association study (GWAS) is funded by the U.S. DOE BioSciences Energy Center and is coordinated by the Plant Molecular Biology Group at Oak Ridge National Laboratory (Lead PI Jerry Tuskan).
Source: https://www.sega.nau.edu/gardens/bradshaw_ranch

Coulthart might present the DoE and ORNL connections as something nefarious.
 
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Melinda is a researcher and investigator in the field of Ufology with over 35 years of
experience. She is the Director of UFO Sighting Tours in Sedona, Arizona, conducting nearly 1,860 tours


Source: https://youtu.be/q-6EGZEnwqU?t=36


Mind you, Melinda loves to boast that you're almost guaranteed a sighting on her tours.

Whitley: "And in that time, how many sighting tours have—"

Leslie: "I just, well I just completed Tour 1,412..." (stuffs face with chips) "...so yeah, that's 1,412 tours. And only twice did my clients feel they didn't have a sighting."
 
The two people pictured in the thumbnail for the next episode are Jeremiah Horstman and Alexandra Caldwell, whom Coulthart spoke to about the alleged portals and secret military base under Bradshaw Ranch.

That episode might be a bit more entertaining, if just for the sheer wacky factor. Some people deep into UFO conspiracies still think the similar Dulce Base claim is legit, but most know it was made up by Richard Doty. There is a big spectrum between an unsolved tictak object on a military sensor and secret underground bases with portals 8 miles from a popular tourist town. I always wonder how the supposedly more "scientific" wing of the UFO world, like UAPx, or SCU reacts to stories like this.

Just to emphasize MokeeSage's point with the map:

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The supposed secret base is 8 miles from downtown Sedona and the Hilton Vacation Club (timeshare), and not far from the Mago Center for Well-being as well as a number of archaeology sites from the Sinaqua culture. In addition, this area is criss-crossed with roads and trails that are open to the public. We've RZRed around this area. One can rent RZR side x sides, jeeps or take tours all over here, including around the top secret military base:

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Want to drive yourself? One can rent side x sides with a GPS map that takes right past the secret military base:

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https://www.outbackatv.com/

On our trips around there, depending on time of year and day, one has to dodge the various jeep tours, rentals, locals and people just out and about. It's not LA, but it's a bit busier than Area 51. The idea that there is a secret base here is comical at best.
 
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