Needs Debunking: CE-5, humans initiating UFO sightings

Code-Beta

New Member
Hello. While watching comments on Mick's video, I saw someone claiming CE-5 Is proof of aliens. CE-5 program, created by Steveen Geer is, as I described in title, group deditaced to summon alines with meditation

I will link ther video for more info about
them. (Just to get familiar with group)

Source: https://youtu.be/TbXEIEVojPg


They say anyone with open mind can summon them, and most people (on reddit) said that they did it.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/gf7js6/whats_the_deal_with_stephen_greer/fpvgqa2?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Others desceibed too as bright/white spheres.

And there is video evidence(in video man uses laser, not to be confused with UFO).

Source: https://youtu.be/OrhbKqUpGLo


Only idea which falls to my mind is that they all lie, but then there whoudn't be posts like these( Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EBEs/comments/6zmxu1/i_tried_the_ce_5_initiativenothing_happened/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
). If he was told to lie by group(as it is his 1. meditation, and many of people said they saw it on 1. Meditation), why did he say just "it didn't work". Why not expoise group?
 

Mick West

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It's a tricky one. On the face of it the claim is quite simple: "Do CE5, have encounters with Aliens." But how do you test it? It's a lot of work to go out into the desert for days and meditate. How to we get a control group?

There are also lots of lights in the sky. If you've not spent hours staring at the night sky in that location before, then how would you know what is normal?

Why lights in the sky? Why do you need to be in an altered mental state? Why don't the thousands (or millions) of people that live nearby see what you are seeing? Why don't the alien spaceships show up on radar? Why such poor photos and videos.

What's the actual evidence FOR CE5?

It's utterly ridiculous, lacks any reason or evidence, looks like a con, and yet people pay thousands of dollars for it. They don't want it debunked, because it would ruin their world view. And since nobody is going to do a valid scientific experiment, it's going to just keep going.
 

cybo

New Member
It's a tricky one. On the face of it the claim is quite simple: "Do CE5, have encounters with Aliens." But how do you test it? It's a lot of work to go out into the desert for days and meditate.
Test by doing it. Every worthwhile endeavor requires work, but you don't necessarily have to go to the desert for it. Just find a quiet area where you live.

How to we get a control group?
Find people willing to do it. ‍♂️

There are also lots of lights in the sky. If you've not spent hours staring at the night sky in that location before, then how would you know what is normal?
There are lights that you can identify as a known phenomena and there are those that you can identify as an unknown phenomena.

Why lights in the sky?
Why not?

Why do you need to be in an altered mental state?
Because through practice people who have done it that way found that it works best. You can go and do it in a non-altered state first and then do it in an altered state to see the difference. Test it as many times as you wish and determine what you have experienced.

Why don't the thousands (or millions) of people that live nearby see what you are seeing?
Maybe some of them do. That's an easy strawman you found to kick down.

Why don't the alien spaceships show up on radar?
Maybe they do. How do you know that they don't? Looking for more straw?

Why such poor photos and videos.
Quality depends on the technology used, which in turn depends on the year the videos were made. There more recent videos are in HD and 4K, but the issue is still with zoom lenses used and the speed at which objects travel that makes it difficult to capture them at 30fps or 60 fps. For example you can go through Peter Maxwell Slattery's videos and probably find some HD and 4K Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWqWlfxswV8&list=PLvfydYBDG4T6EBnrETriczOm_ps3bWeL4
. I heard him talking about him using 4K cameras, so he has some videos.
If you have access to high-fps equipment and great zoom lenses, plus can track an object automatically, not by hand, across the skies, by all means, go to places or gatherings and take a shot. See what you can get, and then make your conclusions.

What's the actual evidence FOR CE5?
Videos

It's utterly ridiculous, lacks any reason or evidence, looks like a con, and yet people pay thousands of dollars for it. They don't want it debunked, because it would ruin their world view. And since nobody is going to do a valid scientific experiment, it's going to just keep going.
This is not skepticism you are using. It's cynicism. I know who's willing to do a valid scientific experiment. You.
 

cybo

New Member
That's actually (barely) CE1
View attachment 40854
Right. You found a flaw.
Have your own experience, and then go on and explain what is the evidence for it. For many their visceral experience of communication with higher intelligence in these encounters is undeniable, and correlation with other independent experiencers serves to experiencers as a sufficient evidence of their experiences.
 

gtoffo

Member
What does "altered mental state" mean? Drugs? Alcohol?

I can spend a couple of hours on my roof stargazing if you send me a test protocol that involves alcohol and I'm sure I can recruit a couple of weirdos to do it with me :p

Also tricky: getting people to try it with the right equipment. Would need to film the whole experiment and have low light cameras able to record the "sighting" if any. I wanted to see Space X's Starlink passing overhead a couple of week ago. It was insanely bright and clear to the naked eye and quite shocking (Elon is probably a real alien at this point). Yet none of the (old or iPhone) cameras I had were able to pick up anything clear or close to the real thing. Low light photography is tricky. Nobody would believe what I saw that night and they would think I was crazy "a string of 60 objects all aligned and zooming through the night at hight speed and as bright as Venus!". Actually many don't believe me even if it is a perfectly repeatable observation and totally explained. Only seeing is believing apparently :)

Any of those videos during day time?
 

purpleivan

New Member
There are lights that you can identify as a known phenomena and there are those that you can identify as an unknown phenomena.
"Unknown phenomena" in the context that you describe it is meaningless. Unknown can mean a Chinese lantern, flare, aircraft or other perfectly normal object, but they're just too far to be identified. If you looked at a picture of yourself from a sufficient distance it could be described as an "unknown phenomena". Just because something is in the air and too far/small to be identified does not mean that it's in any way exotic or interesting.

Because through practice people who have done it that way found that it works best. You can go and do it in a non-altered state first and then do it in an altered state to see the difference. Test it as many times as you wish and determine what you have experienced.
I'm sure if I binge watched my favourite TV show for 8 hours, then went outside and waited for some nondescript lights to drift across the sky at some point, there would be. Doesn't mean that it was TV overdose induced.

Quality depends on the technology used, which in turn depends on the year the videos were made. There more recent videos are in HD and 4K, but the issue is still with zoom lenses used and the speed at which objects travel that makes it difficult to capture them at 30fps or 60 fps. For example you can go through Peter Maxwell Slattery's videos and probably find some HD and 4K
The majoriy of the objects in the videos shown in this thread have been slow moving, something that doesn't require high framerate cameras. In all the videos shown here the "phenomena" have been small dots in a night sky, the larger ones being cropped video to enlarge said small dots.

Call me a cynic, but I'd predict that the introduction of HD and 4K camera will just result in more of the same. More videos of small dots, just with more detail to the noise in the video and not the revealing of anything in the way of interesting or compelling detail.

Of dots.

This is not skepticism you are using. It's cynicism. I know who's willing to do a valid scientific experiment. You.
To be honest it would take more than a few shaky videos on Youtube et al, of dots moving in the sky (of which there are many of mundane origin) to drag myself into the desert (or other remote location), get myself into an "altered state" and wait for tiny dots to float by.

Funnily enough last night I saw a slow moving dot come over a nearby hillside, I watched it for about 1/2 a minute until it got close enough for the regular strobing of the lights to become apparent and reveal it as just an aircraft. I could have videoed it for the first 30 seconds, then posted my evidence of visitations from beyond the moon to Youtube, but I'm not looking for the clicks.
 

Mick West

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Staff member
Their "close encounter kind" list only goes up to 4 and CE5 is a "new kind" which is "human initiated" as opposed to the others being UFO initiated.
Well, it's not like it's in the OED or anything. Greer says:
Source: https://twitter.com/DrStevenGreer/status/1227739161060401154

The problem is the videos just show "staying out in the dark long enough to see some lights in the sky"
 
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