Multiple UFOs near Southampton airport (2005)

Z.W. Wolf

Senior Member.

If this same event (at 11:00 in this video) were witnessed at night by someone who was unaware that these were distant aircraft, we might get this kind of eye witness testimony:

One object on the left was moving fast, and about 5 others were just hovering. They were close, just a few hundred feet. They couldn't have been aircraft because there was no noise.

What's actually happening:
They are distant so what we hear are chirping birds, radio chatter and a still camera clicking. The helicopter on our left is traveling across our line of sight and the others are traveling along our line of sight, but they are all probably traveling at the same airspeed.

The next scene (11:10) might be described:
There were about 10 of them drifting very slowly to the left, just over the treetops on the edge of the meadow.

What's actually happening:
They are flying at speed toward a point somewhat to our left. At night witnesses might not notice the motion along their line of sight, but only notice the motion across their line of sight. They might believe these are small nearby objects drifting slowly sideways to the left.


These aircraft are distant, which is apparent in daylight but at night they would just be lights in a dark sky and may be misperceived as being smaller, closer objects. Because of parallax effects and perspective distortion, distant objects are liable to be perceived as moving in two dimensions - across our line of sight only, rather than in their true 3 dimensional motions. Motion along our line of sight is less apparent than motion across our line of sight.

A single witness or a small group at night in isolation (lonely, spooky setting) see lights in the sky doing odd things. They get spooked, which alters their perceptions, they want to believe they lived through a mysterious (entertaining) happening, etc.


Since the earliest days of the UFO era, all this has been a persistent problem.
 
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Z.W. Wolf

Senior Member.
Just as an example...

This is what I think is happening in this scene at 1:16 in the video:


There are 4 distant helicopters captured by a camera with a telephoto lens. I'll number them 1 to 4, from left to right.

Number One (left) is flying on a steady course toward a point to our left (diagonally to our line of sight) and leaves the frame. The light on its nose is fairly bright because it's kind of pointed at us.

Number Two (middle) makes a left turn and its light gets bright because its pointed at us. It continues to fly toward us, along our line of sight. In the daylight we would see it headed toward us, nose on.

Number Three and Number Four are flying formation, and are probably circling in a turn to their left. At first they are headed to our left. In the daylight we would see their left side. Their lights get bright as they point toward us in the turn, and then get dimmer as the turn continues. In the daylight we would see the left side of the aircraft, then see them nose on for a moment, and then see their right side as they moved off to our right. Circling, in other words.

Number Two then makes a right turn and leaves the frame, as Numbers Three and Four complete another circle... and a new helicopter light in the center becomes very bright as it turns nose on towards us...

Etc.

A naïve witness might perceive these maneuvers as purely lateral movements, like abacus beads on a wire. Or maybe as extremely tight turns.

I think we're just seeing distant helicopters do what helicopters do.
 
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SpOoKy777

New Member
In support of the helicopter theory...:

There is a Royal Airforce station VERY close...
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source: RAF station map

At first I thought that the country park area there is an odd place for military activity but the close airforce presence is interesting...
Also, 2005 was the year the London terror attacks took place (July 7th)...that could explain an out-of-the-ordinary exercise or operation in an otherwise uninteresting public nature park...
 

flarkey

Senior Member
In support of the helicopter theory...:

There is a Royal Airforce station VERY close...
airforceStation.JPG
source: RAF station map

At first I thought that the country park area there is an odd place for military activity but the close airforce presence is interesting...
Also, 2005 was the year the London terror attacks took place (July 7th)...that could explain an out-of-the-ordinary exercise or operation in an otherwise uninteresting public nature park...
That's an Air Traffic Control 'squadron' at the Swanwick ATC centre. It's not an RAF station as you'd think.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Area_Control_Centre
 

NorCal Dave

Senior Member.
There are 4 distant helicopters captured by a camera with a telephoto lens. I'll number them 1 to 4, from left to right.
I think that is a great description, my only question would be about the lens. If this is a security camera mounted on a pole or high up do you think it would actually be a wide-angle lens? In the first few seconds of the OP it looks like the camera is normally trained on the buildings and parking lot area, where I would think a wide-angle would cover as much possible. If anything, it would mean it's a lens much better suited to recording what's relatively close by, not miles in the distance.

A couple of other pulls from YouTube. This first one is from a conspiracy minded person worried about helicopters training over US cities because that means they are not training to go after terrorists. The screen grab is from ~1:57 in and notably, only 2 of the helicopters are using they're red flashing lights. So not all military craft always use the avoidance lights:

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www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi1p6SQds4c

Similarly, here is a grab from a story on ABC 7 in LA about military training going on in the city. There's not a lot of actual helicopter footage, but when there is, they often do not have their red flashing lights on.

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www.youtube.com/watch?v=cISSyQkm1Ug

Even if the lights in the OP are helicopters and they did have their red flashers on, I doubt a security camera from 20 years ago would be able to capture them from that distance.
 

SpOoKy777

New Member
That's an Air Traffic Control 'squadron' at the Swanwick ATC centre. It's not an RAF station as you'd think.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Area_Control_Centre
Whoops, ok I should've looked closer at the links in the map...thanks ;)

But there are more blips on the map...not as close but still in the area...a bit to the north-east near Basingstoke - > "RAF Odiham - in Hampshire is a front line support helicopter base working within the Joint Helicopter Command." (!)

And to the north-west near Amesbury -> "MOD Boscombe Down - is the tri-Service home of military aircraft Test & Evaluation and the Boscombe Down RAF Support Unit"

RAF Odiham might be more relevant...
 
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Z.W. Wolf

Senior Member.
I think that is a great description, my only question would be about the lens. If this is a security camera mounted on a pole or high up do you think it would actually be a wide-angle lens? In the first few seconds of the OP it looks like the camera is normally trained on the buildings and parking lot area, where I would think a wide-angle would cover as much possible. If anything, it would mean it's a lens much better suited to recording what's relatively close by, not miles in the distance.
It's a PTZ - Pan-Tilt-Zoom Security Camera.


https://info.verkada.com/security-cameras/ptz-camera/
Pan-tilt-zoom (PTZ) cameras are built with mechanical parts that allow them to swivel left to right, tilt up and down, and zoom in and out of a scene. They’re typically used to monitor wide open areas requiring a 180- or 360-degree view, and deployed in guard stations where active personnel can operate them through a remote camera controller.

They look like this now.

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Our 2005 era one probably looked something like this one here.
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NorCal Dave

Senior Member.
It's a PTZ - Pan-Tilt-Zoom Security Camera.
Not disagreeing with you, but in the first 30 seconds, it sure doesn't seem to move like an electro-mechanically operated camera. It's movements are very coarse and clunky.

It looks more like someone swinging a camera around on a tripod and manually adjusting the zoom.

Assuming the PTZ camera can pan and zoom that fast, it at least looks like the person operating it from a control room, is not very skilled.

But the guy making the post claims that he sat down and operated the CCTV, so we'll go with it.
 

Easy Muffin

Active Member
I think that is a great description, my only question would be about the lens. If this is a security camera mounted on a pole or high up do you think it would actually be a wide-angle lens?
Looks like the horizontal FOV is initially around 50°, then it zooms to 15° or thereabouts for the remainder of the video. When you check the 2004 and 2005 coverage in GE you can trace the camera to a lamppost and draw line of sights from there, though the zoomed in part is somewhat tricky to nail down since there's not a whole lot to go on there.
 

johne1618

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I think the camera is in the red circle

Screenshot 2022-04-11 191221.jpg

Oct 2008 street view of camera. I think the camera needs to be small as it pans 60 degrees in 2 seconds.

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johne1618

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The temperature on the night of Aug 26th/27th, 2005 was 57 deg F (14 deg C).

This would be considered a warm (though not hot) summer night in the UK. I think atmospheric phenomena like superior mirages would be very unusual over the Hampshire countryside.

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Source: https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/gb/southampton/EGHI/date/2005-8-26

I have calculated the average night temperature for the month of July during the 2021 British Isles heatwave in Southampton as 57.7 deg F (14.3 deg C). Therefore the night temperature on Aug 26th/27th, 2005 of 57 deg F (14 deg C) is close to the average night temperature on a warm summer night in Southampton, UK.

Source: https://in-the-sky.org/skymap.php?n...PLlimitmag=2&zoom=169&ra=3.44621&dec=26.20597
 
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johne1618

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The original video starts off in color and then switches to black and white at around 0:08 secs. A bright light on the runway to the right of the picture turns from yellow to white. I don’t know if the camera operator manually switched between color/b&w modes or perhaps some low light b&w mode turned on automatically.
 
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Ravi

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The original video starts off in color and then switches to black and white at around 0:08 secs. A bright light on the runway to the right of the picture turns from yellow to white. I don’t know if the camera operator manually switched between color/b&w modes or perhaps some low light b&w mode turned on automatically.
No too certain that is the case. After 8 seconds, there is no coloured object or light in view anymore, so hard to say it is switched to B&W. I don't expect it to be switched.

EDIT. I watched it 10x and I am now agreeing the yellow light turns white.
 

Easy Muffin

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I think that confirms the large bright object above the UFOs as the moon

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That object seems to move in a similar fashion to the other bright dots so I don't think it's the Moon? Which begs the question, if that's not the Moon, where is it? Behind clouds? Just outside the frame? Is the date or the time wrong?
 

Z.W. Wolf

Senior Member.
That light is only in frame from 0:12 to 0:44. But it does move during that time. To our right. Put your cursor on it. It also doesn't look as I would expect even a crescent Moon to look. So not the Moon.

The Moon at that time was at an altitude of 7 degrees 28 minutes. Before the camera zooms in, I think we would see it. However, it may be out of frame to our right. Hard to tell. High overcast? Maybe.
 
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Ravi

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The Moon at that time was at an altitude of 7 degrees 28 minutes. Before the camera zooms in, I think we would see it. However, it may be out of frame to our right. Hard to tell. High overcast? Maybe.
I think overcast. Otherwise at least some bright stars would have popped up in the field with this IR cam.
 

johne1618

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I’ve raised a Freedom of Information request with the Hampshire Constabulary to find out if there was any police activity near Southampton Airport on the night of 26th/27th August 2005.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/police_activity_near_southampton

The Hampshire police response:
Hampshire Constabulary can neither confirm nor deny that it holds any information relating to your request as the duty in s1(1)(a) of the Freedom of Information Act 2000 does not apply, by virtue of the following exemptions: Section 31(3) Law enforcement.
Source:https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/853581/response/2042454/attach/3/HC 001020 22 John Eastmond.pdf?cookie_passthrough=1

They explain that Section 31 allows data to be held back on grounds that making public the conditions under which police use drones/helicopters would harm covert investigations and compromise law enforcement.

Confirming or denying the specific circumstances in which the police service may or may not deploy drones/helicopters, would lead to an increase of harm to covert investigations and compromise law enforcement. This would be to the detriment of providing an efficient policing service and a failure in providing a duty of care to all members of the public.
 
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