Monsanto Says Rogue Wheat in Oregon May Be Sabotage

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Monsanto doesnt treat it's customers like shit. that is a trendy line that people like to pull out their ass that is never substantiated. they have never sued for accidental contamination, and sign contracts with 250k american farmers a year. they didnt scam indian farmers, it was indians dicking over their own people. monsanto doesnt hunt down rule breakers, or strip your farm of money. they dont require you to buy chemicals from them, they dont require you to sign multi year contracts unless you willfuly engage in a research project. its all baseless fear mongering. most of which is addressed in that tree i linked to.

its trendy. end of story.

I challenge you to prove me wrong here. ive looked...

farmer's opinion and outline of what a monsanto contract really is: http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2013/01/17/opinion-my-family-farm-isnt-under-corporate-control/

Also, wheres all the love/hate for the other GE companies? what about non corporate projects like GE papya? still evil?

why not label? for the same reason organic labeling should be banned/reworked. people think it means something TOTALLY different than it really does. it doesnt mean dick all, not to the earth, and not to your body. but people preferentially shell out more cash for a product built up upon pseudoscience day in day out.

if our nation wasnt so science illiterate id have no issue with it. but then again if that were the case maybe we would sell products under their genus-species-strain names... i can dream.. but people WILL NOT see it for what it actually is. and just like the organic marketing scam which is based nowhere in science, once you put bad info out there, you cant take it back and any attempt to correct the public will only result in more backfire..

all sticker coded produce has been labeled GE for over a decade now.. id just like to point that out.. id support mandating those number codes maybe since it has been shown that the general public is too stupid or apathetic to learn how to read a 5 digit code system to tell if their apples are gm/organic/conventional.

On Topic: http://www.wawg.org/news/&slug=statement-from-wsu-on-gm-wheat-situation

"Since the discovery of glyphosate-resistant wheat last month in Oregon, Washington State University has launched a comprehensive effort to screen all wheat germplasm in its programs. So far, we have screened public and private varieties representing 90 percent Washington's soft white wheat crop and found no evidence of glyphosate-resistant wheat. We have also screened nearly three-fourths of the less heavily planted spring wheat varieties, with similar results."
 

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Monsanto secures victory over organic farmershttp://rt.com/usa/monsanto-patent-lawsuit-court-544/ So all Monsanto has to do is contaminate any farm with its seeds and it can put that farmer out of business .http://www.mnn.com/your-home/organi...o-wins-lawsuit-against-indiana-soybean-farmer
Why would Monsanto want to contaminate anyone's farm? The case you site show a dishonest farmer getting caught stealing what he should have been paying for.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/14/business/monsanto-victorious-in-genetic-seed-case.html
But the Indiana farmer, Vernon Hugh Bowman, who had signed such contracts for his main crop, said he discovered a loophole for a second, riskier crop later in the growing season.For that second crop, he bought seeds from a grain elevator filled with a mix of seeds in the reasonable hope that many of them contained Monsanto’s patented Roundup Ready gene.
Seeds from grain elevators are typically sold for animal feed, food processing or industrial uses. But Mr. Bowman planted them and sprayed them with Roundup. Many plants survived, and he replanted their seeds.
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lotek

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rt... mnn... joe how about you look up both of those stories from a different source because neither of them went down the way those articles portray..

the rt link... it is not legally viable to walk into a court room and sue someone to protect yourself against something you think they might do in the future with no evidence to support. it was a political stunt that is, at is core, in no way different than the chemtrail people trying to sue the government over chemtrails. same type of shit.

they have NEVER sued someone who's crops were accidentally contaminated. ever. they have sued 145 ppl since 1997, less than 10 a year. each time it was shown the farmer was intentionally trying to circumvent having to pay contract fees to make more profit.

baseless fear mongering..

not to mention, the contracts outline specific farming techniques and controls to properly manage the GE crop.. so if antigm people are so afraid of the stuff, whats worse people growing under the eye of those who know how to handle it and face breach of contract if they mishandle the GE product, or just let them do whatever they want with it and have free run? pick a side.... the contracts are not just about money, they are mostly about farming practices. read the farmer link i posted on the subject.
 
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rt... mnn... joe how about you look up both of those stories from a different source because neither of them went down the way those articles portray..

the rt link... it is not legally viable to walk into a court room and sue someone to protect yourself against something you think they might do in the future with no evidence to support. it was a political stunt that is, at is core, in no way different than the chemtrail people trying to sue the government over chemtrails. same type of shit.

they have NEVER sued someone who's crops were accidentally contaminated. ever. they have sued 145 ppl since 1997, less than 10 a year. each time it was shown the farmer was intentionally trying to circumvent having to pay contract fees to make more profit.

baseless fear mongering..
So if I buy my seeds and they happened to have some monsanto seeds mixed in and i dont know about it ? Fear mongering ? What does a monsanto seed look like ? Does it say on every seed the patent number ? RT was just on the top I usually don't like to use them as a source .
 

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So if I buy my seeds and they happened to have some monsanto seeds mixed in and i dont know about it ? Fear mongering ? What does a monsanto seed look like ? Does it say on every seed the patent number ? RT was just on the top I usually don't like to use them as a source .
Can you site a case where a farmer was given the wrong seed with out their knowledge? This case the farmer knew what he was buying and he wanted to not pay for the technology fee.
 

lotek

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yea, they wont sue you, never have sued anyone for that, and the only reason you think they would is propaganda pushed by the organic/antiGE lobby.

pretty much the definition of fear mongering/scare tactics.

now if you planted a small patch with the mill seed, grew it, sprayed with enough roundup that you know it would kill any regular strain, let the plants that lived(monsanto RR) go to seed, then use that seed to plant a whole farm and use a standard roundup regimen throughout the season, then yea, you might get sued because it is clear you very intentionally propagated RR seeds specifically to reap their benifits without having to buy from a certified reporting vendor under contract which is a breach of IP law...

do you not see how doing that is clearly illegal and fucked up? not just some poor farmer who accidentally got crop contam?
 
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Organic farmers can’t fight Monsanto patents in court

. Some are afraid of their fields being contaminated with GMO so I would think Its possible . maybe that was the case for that farmer but I'm sure there are plenty out their But since most here seem to be apologist for Big government Big Agriculture Big Corporations im pretty much alone here with my opinion . Go ahead and eat the crap we will see what happens in 20 years , I believe you are what you eat and if you eat Round up Ready food from the makers of Agent Orange be my guest .http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/06/organic-farmers-cant-fight-monsanto-patents-in-court/
 

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Organic farmers can’t fight Monsanto patents in court

But Monsanto won't be able to sue over "incidental infringement" of GMO crops. some are afraid of their fields being contaminated with GMO so I would think Its possible . maybe that was the case for that farmer but I'm sure there are plenty out their But since most here seem to be apologist for Big government Big Agriculture Big Corporations im pretty much alone here with my opinion . Go ahead and eat the crap we will see what happens in 20 years , I believe you are what you eat and if you eat Round up Ready food from the makers of Agent Orange be my guest .
Well humans have been consuming GM foods for 17 years now so just another 20 before we all start getting ill and dying? Or do we only need to wait another 3 years for a total of 20 years?
 

lotek

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joe, you are talking out of your ass. cite a single time this has happened. Please. its propaganda. I honestly challenge you to prove me wrong here..

Monsanto will pay for the removal of any Monsanto GE plant contamination found on an organic/conv farm themselves and remove it for you..... as a courtesy..

agent orange... also the original seller of the LED.. this just in, LED's are bad for the environment because agent orange... please try to abstain from these fallacious unrelated issues..
 
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When your opposition to GM crops fails the test of facts, fall back on the 'Agent Orange' story.
Facts dont appear till years later . Like tobacco ect . Go ahead eat as much as you want please ! Ill pass
 
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Well humans have been consuming GM foods for 17 years now so just another 20 before we all start getting ill and dying? Or do we only need to wait another 3 years for a total of 20 years?
eat as much as you like .
 

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People start eating new foods all the time. Bud Light Lime was only released in 2008. Who knows what horrors it might bring after people have been drinking this unnatural mixture of flavors for 20 years.
 
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joe, you are talking out of your ass. cite a single time this has happened. Please. its propaganda. I honestly challenge you to prove me wrong here..

Monsanto will pay for the removal of any Monsanto GE plant contamination found on an organic/conv farm themselves and remove it for you..... as a courtesy..

agent orange... also the original seller of the LED.. this just in, LED's are bad for the environment because agent orange... please try to abstain from these fallacious unrelated issues..
monsanto is great eat and enjoy
 

lotek

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i used to be a huge anti intellectual property person, and altho ive never been uninformed enough to be confused about GE/GM/TG, i did used to blast monsanto for their IP/litigation. i used to talk so much shit, not alot diff from how you started to post here. never a source, because i was so damn sure of it. it was just obvious right...

then i looked... and i hope noone ever finds or remembers any of the douchebag comments i made before i actually looked.

"Now i dont have a problem with GM but monsantos business practices are horrible!"

trendy... i was a hipster years before it was cool i guess.

and now ive come to realize not all IP is the same, and monsanto isnt the RIAA/MPAA...
 

lotek

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People start eating new foods all the time. Bud Light Lime was only released in 2008. Who knows what horrors it might bring after people have been drinking this unnatural mixture of flavors for 20 years.

well.. i see they used natural flavors.. i hope that means natural in the commercial food sense of "all carbon came from an organic source" because many of the chemicals the contribute to the taste of limes are toxic/carcinogenic... :p
 

lotek

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okay then, if we are done with that bit:

On Topic: http://www.wawg.org/news/&slug=state...heat-situation

"Since the discovery of glyphosate-resistant wheat last month in Oregon, Washington State University has launched a comprehensive effort to screen all wheat germplasm in its programs. So far, we have screened public and private varieties representing 90 percent Washington's soft white wheat crop and found no evidence of glyphosate-resistant wheat. We have also screened nearly three-fourths of the less heavily planted spring wheat varieties, with similar results."
 

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Rubber and Glue :) its been fun either way
In all seriousness unless you never eat corn, soy or anything with sugar in it then you probably eat GM all the time. Unless you buy 100% organic all the time, in which case the fear mongering worked and got you to open your wallet a little bit wider than everyone else.
Organic is far from being safe.
http://www.usda.gov/oig/webdocs/01601-03-HY.pdf
Finding 4: AMS Needs to Determine Whether NOP Regulations Should Require Periodic Residue Testing
Although the Organic Foods Production Act of 1990 (Act) requires certifying agents to conduct
periodic residue testing of organic products,
Audit Report 01601-03-Hy 16
28 we found that NOP did not incorporate these
provisions into its regulations. The former NOP director stated that the decision not to require
regular residue testing was based on officials’ concerns about the cost of testing, and on their
position that the NOP regulations are process-based rather than a zero tolerance standard. The
former director also stated that certifying agents did not want to pay for the cost of residue
testing and that residue testing raises complex issues that must be addressed on an operation-byoperation basis. None of the four certifying agents we visited conducted periodic residue testing
of the approximately 5,000 certified operations for which they were responsible, and there was
no assurance that certifying agents performed regular periodic testing at any of the
approximately 28,000 certified organic operations worldwide. Without such testing, the potential
exists that an operation’s products may contain substances that are prohibited for use in organic
products.
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More people died as a result of tainted organic bean sprouts in Germany than Fukushima and the BP spill combined.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/8/dead-bodies-demand-organic-food-moratorium/?page=all
Right now, someone nearby is buying organic bean sprouts. It may be the last thing he ever does. Last week’s E. coli outbreak in Germany - potentially traced to an organic farm - was more deadly than the largest nuclear disaster of the last quarter-century.Indeed, in the past two years, two public safety stories have dominated global news headlines - an explosion and oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico and a nuclear power plant meltdown in Japan. Yet in the recent German organic-food-disease outbreak, nearly twice as many people already have died as in the two other industrial disasters combined.
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In all seriousness unless you never eat corn, soy or anything with sugar in it then you probably eat GM all the time. Unless you buy 100% organic all the time, in which case the fear mongering worked and got you to open your wallet a little bit wider than everyone else.
Organic is far from being safe.
http://www.usda.gov/oig/webdocs/01601-03-HY.pdf
Finding 4: AMS Needs to Determine Whether NOP Regulations Should Require Periodic Residue Testing
Although the Organic Foods Production Act of 1990 (Act) requires certifying agents to conduct
periodic residue testing of organic products,
Audit Report 01601-03-Hy 16
28 we found that NOP did not incorporate these
provisions into its regulations. The former NOP director stated that the decision not to require
regular residue testing was based on officials’ concerns about the cost of testing, and on their
position that the NOP regulations are process-based rather than a zero tolerance standard. The
former director also stated that certifying agents did not want to pay for the cost of residue
testing and that residue testing raises complex issues that must be addressed on an operation-byoperation basis. None of the four certifying agents we visited conducted periodic residue testing
of the approximately 5,000 certified operations for which they were responsible, and there was
no assurance that certifying agents performed regular periodic testing at any of the
approximately 28,000 certified organic operations worldwide. Without such testing, the potential
exists that an operation’s products may contain substances that are prohibited for use in organic
products.
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More people died as a result of tainted organic bean sprouts in Germany than Fukushima and the BP spill combined.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/8/dead-bodies-demand-organic-food-moratorium/?page=all
Right now, someone nearby is buying organic bean sprouts. It may be the last thing he ever does. Last week’s E. coli outbreak in Germany - potentially traced to an organic farm - was more deadly than the largest nuclear disaster of the last quarter-century.Indeed, in the past two years, two public safety stories have dominated global news headlines - an explosion and oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico and a nuclear power plant meltdown in Japan. Yet in the recent German organic-food-disease outbreak, nearly twice as many people already have died as in the two other industrial disasters combined.
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actually I never eat my veggies :) So i guess im safe either way . maybe ?
 

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Here is a better look at the outbreak in Germany.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13746682
At least 3,255 people have fallen ill, mostly in Germany, of whom at least 812 have a complication that can be fatal.
About 100 patients with damaged kidneys will need transplants or life-long dialysis, one health expert said.
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Cairenn

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I wonder if those that are so concerned about Round up, make sure that it is never used in their yards, or if they bother their neighbors if they use it?

The average urban lawn gets a literal 'feast' of various chemicals. Fertilizers, weed pre-treatment, weed killers, bug killers and such, and then there is all the pollution from lawn mowers, edgers, leaf blowers and such.

Folks plant food plants in flower beds that were treated with long acting pesticides years before. Most never even think about that.
 

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actually I never eat my veggies :) So i guess im safe either way . maybe ?

You could probably improve your long term health in several ways that are vastly more certain than avoiding GM food. So health is your goal ... you should take up running!
 

Soulfly

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You could probably improve your long term health in several ways that are vastly more certain than avoiding GM food. So health is your goal ... you should take up running!
And breathe in all those chemtrails? :D
 

Cairenn

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I have checked into both free range and organic chicken. Most of our (and the UK for another one) chickens are contaminated with either Salmonella or Campylobacter. I seem very suspectiable to the later. I have to wear rubber gloves, be real careful about touching any part of my body with the juice on my hands. Then I have to scrub down everything the chicken might have touched. If I don't, there is a good chance of me having to visit the small room a lot for a day or more. I would pay more for chicken that was less contaminated. The organic and free range have just as much or more contamination.

Frozen tenders and pair of tongs is my solution.

It is interesting how most of our food contamination issues come from vegetables, not meat.
 

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I AGREE !!! Some gemstones are irradiated to change their color. I have learned to NOT tell customers unless they ask. If you tell them, that they are irradiated, some 5%-10% will drop them like they are hot and flee your booth.

So instead folks get sick. How sick I am will depend on how rundown I am. Some years ago, I was in college with a heavy load, running my dog kennel (that could have been a full time job itself) and dealing with a major illness in one of my parents. I got sick and it took me over 3 weeks to kick it (no insurance at that time). I lost 18 lbs. I was lucky that it happened at the end of the semester, or I would have to lose that semester of school.
 
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You could probably improve your long term health in several ways that are vastly more certain than avoiding GM food. So health is your goal ... you should take up running!
Surfing works good for me as well as working my @ss off :)
 

Grieves

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So far as the public is concerned, labeling GE food is like giving a 5 year old a lit blow torch...
It is sort of like the 'Beware of Dog' or 'Caution; Dog' sign. Folks put these up let folks know that they have a dog. However they have been used to show that the homeowner KNEW that their dog was dangerous. There have been cases where the dog was ordered destroyed without any other evidence of prior attacks, other than the one that landed them in court.
Interesting how when discussing the way GMO's are starting to strong-arm the global food market, the argument frequently comes back to 'people have a choice, if they didn't want GMO's they wouldn't buy them, let the market decide and stop pushing your socialist fear-mongering..!' but when discussing labeling, as in that thing which allows buyers to make an informed choice, it's 'People are too stupid to understand the choice presented! They're like children in a darkened saw-mill with a lit torch! If GM foods were labeled as such it would be an unfair burden, and like innocent puppies the label might see GMOs needlessly and shamefully put down in their prime!'

I could support labeling of this type, May contain GM products as long as it is listed on the back with ingredients. NO big warning panel.
I don't think most folks have a giant picture of ruined teeth with 'GMOs KILL' in red bloody letters on every gmo containing product in mind. A simple little sticker with 'GM' on it in capital letters, and a brief 'contains genetically modified produce' in smaller print beneath, or anything similar, would suffice.
 

lotek

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i think its fair to say >80% of those in favor of labeling have fears based in anti-science propaganda, and our last experiment with this, organic labeling, is just as big of an anti-science disaster grieves...

people dont understand what gmo means, or organic, and what they do with that information is retarded... you are not enabling them to make an informed choice whatsoever.

I dont agree with you dichotomy either. if they dont want them, they have been misdirected, propagandized, or lied to, for profit... you should like that last bit.

Just my personal opinion on the subject.. which by this point is more than off topic

im more than happy to take up any actual GE issues anyone cares to talk about...
 

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i think its fair to say >80% of those in favor of labeling have fears based in anti-science propaganda, and our last experiment with this, organic labeling, is just as big of an anti-science disaster grieves...
labeling isn't an 'experiment'. It's what we've done for several decades with most all processed foods to let consumers know, to a reasonable extent, what those products contain. 'Organic' labeling isn't a 'required disclosure' deal, but a certification that growers and producers seek out, so they can put a little sticker on their product that says 'this is organic! yum-yum!'. It's a product assurance. In fact I see no reason why GMO's, beyond the balking of some folks who oppose them, couldn't be certified organic, unless roundup disqualifies. It's not as if anyone's grumbling about how much it sucks to have to put these darn 'organic' labels on their product. "Curse them, boosting sales like that...!" whatever sort of sham you think organic certification might be, it's rather entirely different from disclosing the contents of a product.
people dont understand what gmo means, or organic, and what they do with that information is retarded... you are not enabling them to make an informed choice whatsoever.
Right... giving people a choice isn't given them a choice at all, because people behave in a generally retarded fashion. Sound stuff.

if they dont want them, they have been misdirected, propagandized, or lied to, for profit... you should like that last bit.
Seriously? The only way someone could decide they don't want to buy GMO's is if they're stupid/manipulated? That's crazy. What if the only reason they don't want to buy GMO's is because they don't want to support their producers? What if that decision has absolutely nothing to do with any concern beyond supporting the producers of their choice? What if that choice is motivated by nothing but their own financial interests?

Just my personal opinion on the subject.. which by this point is more than off topic
And seemingly rooted in the unfortunate belief that you're absolutely surrounded by morons. There's no reason not to label food that contains GMO's as containing GMO's. So it costs the world a little more ink, and some people get to not eat stuff they don't want to eat, even if they don't want to eat it for hysterical reasons. I mean, even hysterical folks have gotta eat, right? Might as well give them a way to do it where they don't have to be in constant hysteria about what might be in what they're thinking about eating, right? So if anything, when considering GMO labeling, vote in favor for the sake of those crazy buggers, so they can get a decent, panic-free meal once in a while.
 

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i think its fair to say >80% of those in favor of labeling have fears based in anti-science propaganda, and our last experiment with this, organic labeling, is just as big of an anti-science disaster grieves...

people dont understand what gmo means, or organic, and what they do with that information is retarded... you are not enabling them to make an informed choice whatsoever.

I dont agree with you dichotomy either. if they dont want them, they have been misdirected, propagandized, or lied to, for profit... you should like that last bit.

Just my personal opinion on the subject.. which by this point is more than off topic

im more than happy to take up any actual GE issues anyone cares to talk about...

And you were elected to decide if, when and how much information should be given to people about the food they eat, when exactly?

And you decide they are too retarded to make such a decision so you think they should have information withheld.... the good shepherd leading the stock, wonder why they are called sheeple?

Perhaps you would like to start a thread listing all the other decisions which should be taken out of the hands of the sheeple?

NWO comes to pass but we will deny it because the people are so retarded they can't possibly know that it's here already.
 

Cairenn

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There is NO law preventing companies from labeling their products. They are FREE to it, if they choose. I do not want to pay extra out my limited food budget for expensive testing.

Look at Kosher and Halal foods, they tend to be more expensive, because of the need to separate things. To label something as GMO free would require the processor to test EVERY order of say corn. The testing on that scale would COST money, and the consumer would be forced to pay it, because a few folks deny hundreds or peer reviewed tests.

NO ONE has ever gotten sick from a GMO food, plenty of folks have gotten sick from regular crops and from organic crops.
 

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There is NO law preventing companies from labeling their products. They are FREE to it, if they choose. I do not want to pay extra out my limited food budget for expensive testing.

Look at Kosher and Halal foods, they tend to be more expensive, because of the need to separate things. To label something as GMO free would require the processor to test EVERY order of say corn. The testing on that scale would COST money, and the consumer would be forced to pay it, because a few folks deny hundreds or peer reviewed tests.

NO ONE has ever gotten sick from a GMO food, plenty of folks have gotten sick from regular crops and from organic crops.

So you are happy for it to be untested and poisonous so long as it's cheap?

Does that also apply to pharmaceuticals as well?

We know there is no law preventing companies from labelling their products. We want a law compelling them to say what is in their products.

You think that strange do you?

So if I make some meat pies and they have horse, dog, rat meat in there it is not a problem to you?

Perhaps you think it a good idea to stop all labelling?
 

Cairenn

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No one ever said stop all labeling. I know when I see an 'all meat frank' that it will contain a mix of meats. I check to see what kinds, if one is chicken, I leave in the case. Chicken makes the texture and taste wrong to me. Heck, my Irish Setter loved hot dogs, as long as they weren't the chicken ones. She refused them out right.

I can sometimes buy link sausage that have vension or buffalo in them, it is a different flavor (one I like) I do eat game, including rabbit. If I was younger, I would start hunting. I was in my late 30s before I tried game. I would love have an entire deer. I might drive the processor nuts since I would want to clean off the long leg bones myself. I want the bones for projects.
 
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