Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv9iKw_Q9xQ
I interviewed Kevin Day, regarding the 2004 Nimitz UFO encounters. The audio is not very good and I'll work on a transcript. But I'm putting it up for initial discussion.
Not really, the interview mostly raised new questions about diverging accounts.After that interview, have you reconsidered any of your explanations?
I wouldn't put this particularly high on the list as an explanation. There does not seem to be any specific evidence that indicated that such a thing is possible now - and even less so in 2004.you do have to speculate about a hologram capable of returning radar.
I can undestand pretty well what Mick says, but my English skills are not enough for Kevin Day unfortunately . Looking forward for the transcript, but I understand it's a damn long job, so don't feel pressured, I can live without it
Sure fits a DEFCON 1 situation though. Multiple ballistic targets descending towards California from space?So the objects were detected by two independent radar systems? One for detecting ICBMs and the other more local? Does this fit the radar glitch hypothesis?
quick question, why is everyone rejecting the ice particles explanation? the weather officer of the uss princeton literally handed out a briefing of a weather phenomenon causing ice particles that could cause false radar tracks.
ice particles can melt and form freshly
maybe these tracks dont have anything to do at all with the tic tac itself.
association =! causation
Maybe they were a byproduct of the tic tac or the activity surrounding the tic tac
well no one (we heard of) believed it was caused by ice particles. no one (we heard of) believed the tic tac flir1 was a plane either.
kevin day is heavily into ufo and paranormal stuff, just google him. he acts as if he rejects these narratives in Micks interview but his other interviews, venture (uap explorations) and book tell another story. i know hes very experienced in his job but he also was working with this upgraded super sensitive radar for the first time, so might couldnt make sense of what the radar showed him all of a sudden. we should at least consider this possibility.
i dont say the ice travels from 80k to sea level within seconds (btw we dont have a validated source for the 80k feet, kevin day himself said he never saw them on this altitude himself but heard about it a couple days after the incident. so we should take this figure with a lot of salt).
it could have been a combination of ice particles and other objects.
or it could be a byproduct (not necessarily ice though) by the tic tac craft(s).
we shouldnt just assume they are the same thing, this is what ufo believers do all the time. they interlink "sightings since hundreds of years" and their attributes as if its sure it was the same phenomenon.
just sayin.. might helps us to include explanations that work isolated on their own but not if we mix all observations together and search for "the one thing that explains it all".
(rendlesham forrest anyone?)
I don't think that's ever really been established beyond a story from Kevin Day. It sounds super unlikely that such a thing would be just brushed aside - seeing as it sounds literally just like a nuclear attack.Since the ICBM radar tracked them down from high altitude
It would therefore be very fruitful perhaps to take up Kevin’s offer to try to get some of these guys to join him on another interview with you. Investigating this side of the story would add a whole new dimension.I don't think that's ever really been established beyond a story from Kevin Day. It sounds super unlikely that such a thing would be just brushed aside - seeing as it sounds literally just like a nuclear attack.
If you want to verify their stories, then really you need to first get them apart to tell them in depth. People sitting in a room together might disagree, but they might also converge on points that are unclear in recollection.thats why it would be important to have all three of them (who came out and were somehow first hand witnesses) together so we can see if they agree on details, remember something new and we actually get a story thats "in line" to work with
If you want to verify their stories, then really you need to first get them apart to tell them in depth. People sitting in a room together might disagree, but they might also converge on points that are unclear in recollection.
That ship has probably sailed.
Laughed out loud at the idea of trying to determine if a featureless Tic Tac is barrel rolling. (Maybe it had rust spots?)How do you tell a cylinder is barrel rolling. By those tiny appendages?
Unfortunately I don't know the answers to either of your questions, but in the SCU Manuscript (p. 7) it is stated that Kurth was vectored by Operations Specialist Don Oktabinski. I checked out the references cited in the endnotes, but couldn't find anything in them that supported this statement.Does anyone know if Kevin Day has ever said that he vectored Douglas Kurth to the Tic Tac location?
I know in a report Douglas mentions being vectored there. But where is Kevin's testimony that matches that?
Thanks, that is very interesting .Unfortunately I don't know the answers to either of your questions, but in the SCU Manuscript (p. 7) it is stated that Kurth was vectored by Operations Specialist Don Oktabinski. I checked out the references cited in the endnotes, but couldn't find anything in them that supported this statement.
From 2004 until 2009 when I walked away from DOD out of frustration, I had tried in vain to get somebody, anybody, to listen to me. Yet, every time I tried to describe what we had witnessed out in SOCAL during TIC TAC, I was openly laughed at, made the butt of jokes, and once even asked by my then-boss just WTF I had been smoking .. at the time my concern was purely safety of flight because of objects that I knew to be real and inexplicable were in our training areas .. the very reason I had received permission from CAPT Smith to intercept them in the first place .. sociocultural stigmas about UFO's did indeed prevent me from making the case at the time .. the stigmas also cost me a 2nd career in DOD, at the least ..
I paid a very high price personally and I hold the NAVY/DOD directly responsible for their complete and utter malfeasance and gross dereliction of duty which, indeed, did nearly result in AIR-TO-AIR mishaps with unknown objects and Navy aircraft in the years that followed .. I also hold NAVY/DOD directly responsible for what I and others went through as a result of trying to uphold our own duty and simply do the job the American people paid and expected us to do .. I and others deserve a formal public apology and a redress for the costs I/we paid?
I think we need to be a bit more critical of Kevin Day's claims here. And not just accept them at face value.Here's his full message:
Regardless of what was or wasn't really being tracked that week, it does seem unacceptable for Day to have been ridiculed for reporting a safety of flight concern.
From 2004 until 2009 when I walked away from DOD out of frustration, I had tried in vain to get somebody, anybody, to listen to me. Yet, every time I tried to describe what we had witnessed out in SOCAL during TIC TAC, I was openly laughed at, made the butt of jokes, and once even asked by my then-boss just WTF I had been smoking .. at the time my concern was purely safety of flight because of objects that I knew to be real and inexplicable were in our training areas .. the very reason I had received permission from CAPT Smith to intercept them in the first place .. sociocultural stigmas about UFO's did indeed prevent me from making the case at the time .. the stigmas also cost me a 2nd career in DOD, at the least ..
I paid a very high price personally and I hold the NAVY/DOD directly responsible for their complete and utter malfeasance and gross dereliction of duty which, indeed, did nearly result in AIR-TO-AIR mishaps with unknown objects and Navy aircraft in the years that followed .. I also hold NAVY/DOD directly responsible for what I and others went through as a result of trying to uphold our own duty and simply do the job the American people paid and expected us to do .. I and others deserve a formal public apology and a redress for the costs I/we paid?
I just watched the interview with Kevin Day for the first time, and thought you might find this part interesting. He talks about the confusion and his lack of situational awareness after Underwood intercepted the UAP. Day seems to suggest that he had no control over some of the other aircraft on the area, and is open to the possibility that other aircraft may have intercepted the UAP without him being aware. He's not talking about Fravor's intercept earlier, he's talking about the second sortie with Underwood, but it might still be relevant.thats interesting! i always assumed he was vectored by kevin day such as fravor and dietrich.
so day didnt even knew that kurth was ordered to check it out as well! the aatip report stated kurth as part of red team had no coms with the fasteagle crew.
this supports a possible misID hypothesis imo
If you don't require the object to be actually cloaked, it's easy. I imagine taking a radar corner reflector out of a (metal) box would do it.What kind of object is capable of uncloaking,