FatPhil
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Which bit of the "If Kash Patel says it, it's probably not reliable, because Kash Patel isn't reliable" vibe aren't you getting?
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Which bit of the "If Kash Patel says it, it's probably not reliable, because Kash Patel isn't reliable" vibe aren't you getting?
NoParty
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Adding a Bongino (which seems like maybe it's a pink cocktail at Trader Vic's) adds precisely zero credibility.
FatPhil
Senior Member.
If you want to be an ostrich and ignore the fact that Patel is a well-known source of complete garbage, then you definitely shouldn't read this:
https://www.durbin.senate.gov/newsr...s-not-qualified-to-serve-as-next-fbi-directorExternal Quote:
FatPhil
Senior Member.
Another demonstration that you are not arguing in good faith.
fizzBuzz
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All I did was post the words of the FBI Director. I even declared "FWIW" (for what it's worth) before my statement. And I get attacked with "Kash Patel isn't reliable, what don't you understand about this" nonsense. If you think Patel is not telling the truth, then have fun with that.
fizzBuzz
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Why do we have to damn people if they do and damn them if they don't? Why can't we just see this for what it is - an FBI Director, who has himself engaged in some conspiracy theories, and has access to all the Epstein evidence is telling us this isn't a conspiracy. That seems to be an important revelation to this specific case, does it not?
I don't understand the constant cynicism I see on here...
Who are you referring to here?
RTM
Senior Member.
You'll have to excuse me if I don't feel sympathy for sycophants who had no problem peddling conspiracies who now are telling the base they riled up to now believe them. In the past it seems it was a case of "don't trust this FBI" and now it's a case of "trust this FBI".
Maria Bartiromo was a massive peddler of election fraud lies.
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Maria Bartiromo was a massive peddler of election fraud lies.
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I have to side with FizzBuzz a little in this thread. At least in as far as what Patel's statement implies for the cause of Epsteins death. Kash Patel is somewhat stuck as the dog who caught the car. A lot of the Trump fanbase want their conspiratorial worldview to be vindicated. Patel previously used to favour Hillary Clinton conspiracies.
Now that he is in a position where he has access to the files, it's a slight relief that there is so little evidence of conspiracy that even he cannot see value in trying to keep this conspiracy hot. Although I doubt this will do anything to assuage the diehard believers, it's pretty notable that he has had to walk back his more intense conspiracism.
I'll temper this opinion with a second, it doesn't do anything to give me a positive view that he will not abuse his position to put his finger on the scales in future investigations. That's a very separate thing.
fizzBuzz
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I don't follow the logic here. I'm glad that a person who peddles conspiracies is telling his fans this isn't a conspiracy. This is progress in the right direction.
Ok. When you said "his fans" I thought you were referring to the host, but the host is a female, so I was confused.
RTM
Senior Member.
Fair enough, it's good to see people coming out and saying there is no conspiracy.
But on the other hand he's not the first person to say it was suicide, I have a problem with the it's not a conspiracy when I say so approach. Especially when you see someone like RFK being tasked with getting to the bottom of autism and a government press release declaring that covid leaked from a lab. Not to mention the at best cynical and at worse ghoulish treatment of the Epstein files a while back.
I will admit a bit of schadenfreude from their body language.
But on the other hand he's not the first person to say it was suicide, I have a problem with the it's not a conspiracy when I say so approach. Especially when you see someone like RFK being tasked with getting to the bottom of autism and a government press release declaring that covid leaked from a lab. Not to mention the at best cynical and at worse ghoulish treatment of the Epstein files a while back.
I will admit a bit of schadenfreude from their body language.
NoParty
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I'm old enough to remember when "The Money Honey" was respected.
But Bartiromo's rampant on-air dishonesty, between Nov. 2020 & Jan. 2021, on Trump's treasonous behalf,
was a major factor in Fox News de facto conceding that they'd repeatedly slandered Dominion Voting Systems,
by handing over $787,000.00 before the sure-to-be embarrassing trial could start!
Even here, she's dishonest: "You said: 'Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide.' People don't believe it."
Yes they do. Even if she'd said "some people," we could all speculate on just how small and down the rabbit
hole that group is. But instead she just says "people," so she can imply that it's most people,
but, when called on it, run away and say: "Oh no...heck, even 2 people = 'people.'"
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Just because someone is unreliable does not make EVERY statement they make false. As FBI Director he could access whatever reports were made as a basis for his statement. Even liars sometime tell the truth.
My perception of how difficult an Epstein murder would have been to arrange, and keep secret this long, leads me to believe it was suicide. What exact motive he had, despair or being told he would be found guilty so he might as well kill himself now, I don't know. But I find suicide more plausible than a vast conspiracy with dozens directly involved and hundreds supporting it by telling those directly involved their families would be killed if they talked...
Maybe Trump had Epstein killed! Hence why his sycophant Patel said it wasn't a murder!
No I'm not seriously arguing this, but am using it as an example as why it was pointless to mention Patel said anything, as @FatPhil said:
Unfortunately we might be stuck in a recursive loop of not being able to trust anyone. Since Elon is also an incredibly unreliable individual, together they presumably cancel out and we are back to square one.
Agreed! Exactly my point! Point being: When you present information from an unreliable source (where that source doesn't provide evidence for their claims), it's just adding noise and doesn't actually change the likelihood of different possibilities.
In this case, Patel, and now Musk, saying things doesn't affect the posterior probabilities of Epstein killing himself vs being murdered.
Giddierone
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#3LonDidn'tKiLLhIMsELF!
Too soon?
Too soon?
FatPhil
Senior Member.
But seventy-seven million people voted for this, and most of them still think things are going just great.
JMartJr
Senior Member.
I absolutely agree, and that is terrifying. But that said, sometimes it is better to laugh than to cry, and watching the wheels come off for at least this moment in time, and our two protagonists slinging adolescent insults at each other, has entertainment value.
(I have not looked at the news yet this morning, but as of bedtime yesterday I was surprised to note that Mr. Trump had been relatively restrained in his responses, not going totally ballistic when Mr. Musk threatened to take all his toys and not let Mr' Trump play with them any more, implied he was a pedophile and endorsed his impeachment. Restraint in a slanging match with an opponent is not normally an attribute I'd assign to Mr. Trump. Guess I better go put on the news and see if that restraint lasted through the "walking the halls alone unable to sleep and texting/tweeting without the restraint of the staff" hours...)
RTM
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I'd be surprised if Trump is restrained, especially given the TACO name calling recently. But I suppose he has to be the more respectable one.
I wouldn't be surprised if this turns more into a Musk and Bannon feud, Musk used one of his favorite juvenile names on Bannon that I can't see Bannon backing down from.
I wouldn't be surprised if this turns more into a Musk and Bannon feud, Musk used one of his favorite juvenile names on Bannon that I can't see Bannon backing down from.
Bannon responded: https://www.npr.org/2025/06/06/nx-s1-5424732/trump-musk-feud-steve-bannon
Bannon questions:
1) Musk didn't do his job
2) Musk's citizenship status is questionable
3) Musk's relationship to China is suspect
4) Musk's drug use during time in White House
Yeah...I'd say Bannon is taking the role of attack dog.
Mendel
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That was only part of the job. The major part was cutting funding to USAID and other things, as foreshadowed by Project 2025. Musk did that.External Quote:
New report and video discussion moved to:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/jeffrey-epstein-doj-report-and-prison-video.14320/
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/jeffrey-epstein-doj-report-and-prison-video.14320/
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