HAARP causing more earthquakes?

MikeC

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In http://chemtrailsnorthnz.wordpress....e-in-earthquakes-since-the-creation-of-haarp/ Clare Swinney reproduces a graph that seems to have sprung up around the conspiracy traps.

In trying to find the source of the data I have not actually managed to find anything on the USGS website at all - despite this supposedly being an "official USGS graph".

I couple of blogs credit it to "The Horizon Project", and sure enoug there it is at http://www.thehorizonproject.com/news.cfm#quakeupdate -
A new graph charted from US Geological Survey data shows this disturbing trend and destructive quakes have indeed increased in the last few years.
From November 2008, no mention of HAARP tho, and they link it to the end of mankind through ancient/biblical prophecy.

but I still don't see where they got the info from - if anyone can find the original USGS data I'd be grateful.
 

Mick West

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See:

http://www.science20.com/florilegium/blog/why_so_many_earthquakes_decade-65178

It's basically earthquakes hand selected for interest, so more recent earthquakes are a lot more interesting.

Also:

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/faq/?categoryID=6&faqID=110

Although it may seem that we are having more earthquakes, earthquakes of magnitude 7.0 or greater have remained fairly constant throughout this century and, according to our records, have actually seemed to decrease in recent years.
 

MikeC

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Ah - I had seen that page but didn't make the connection precisely because it was only selected EQ's - thanks
 

FuzzyUK

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Professor Fran De Aquino's has conjured up a paper entitled:
High-power ELF radiation generated by modulated HF heating of the ionosphere can cause Earthquakes, Cyclones and localized heating

In it he claims:
The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) is currently the most important facility used to generate extremely low frequency (ELF) electromagnetic radiation in the ionosphere. In order to produce this ELF radiation the HAARP transmitter radiates a strong beam of high-frequency (HF) waves modulated at ELF. This HF heating modulates the electrons’ temperature in the D region ionosphere and leads to modulated conductivity and a time-varying current which then radiates at the modulation frequency. Recently, the HAARP HF transmitter operated with 3.6GW of effective radiated power modulated at frequency of 2.5Hz. It is shown that high-power ELF radiation generated by HF ionospheric heaters, such as the current HAARP heater, can cause Earthquakes, Cyclones and strong localized heating.
More details in this PDF file:
http://frandeaquino.org/ELF Earthquakes

Professor Fran De Aquino's Webpage:
http://frandeaquino.org/

It's just a theory though. What might be thought to be achievable rarely matches what has actually been done.
 

Mick West

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It's just a theory though. What might be thought to be achievable rarely matches what has actually been done.
"Just a theory" does it a great injustice, not only does it claim HAARP can great earthquakes, it also invents near-light-speed "gravitational spaceships", time travel, and a useful method for transporting large monoliths.
 

Gazmik

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Professor Fran De Aquino's has conjured up a paper entitled:
High-power ELF radiation generated by modulated HF heating of the ionosphere can cause Earthquakes, Cyclones and localized heating

In it he claims:


More details in this PDF file:
http://frandeaquino.org/ELF Earthquakes

Professor Fran De Aquino's Webpage:
http://frandeaquino.org/

It's just a theory though. What might be thought to be achievable rarely matches what has actually been done.
It doesn't help his case that he states that HAARP transmits at 3.6 gigawatts instead of 3.6 megawatts. Then he uses the 3.6 gigawatt number to calculate the ELF power at 4 kilowatts, rather than the approximately 3.6 watts you get when you use ELF conversion efficiency stated in the PDF.

I wouldn't consider 3.6 watts "high power".
 

FuzzyUK

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It doesn't help his case that he states that HAARP transmits at 3.6 gigawatts instead of 3.6 megawatts.
3.6 MW might be the actual power of the transmitter but the Effective Radiated Power (ERP) is around 3.6 GW since the theoretical maximum antenna array gain is just over 30 dB, a power factor increase of about x1,000.

None the less, from the (now offline) HAARP FAQ page we learn:
How strong are the ELF signals generated using HAARP?
Under optimum conditions, signals generated using ionospheric interaction techniques may be measured in the tens of pT range and tend to be strongest at frequencies around 2 kHz.
Is there any safety concern with the ELF signals generated using HAARP?
No. These signals are more than eleven million times weaker (smaller) than the Earth's background field and about one million times weaker (smaller) than the level where researchers have reported biological effects in the literature. Signals generated through ionospheric interaction are so weak, in fact, that sophisticated instruments must be used to observe them. Nevertheless, they are still valuable for scientific purposes and for communication applications.
In other words you'll be bloody lucky to pick up any signals at all even with the most sensitive radio receiver available, let alone be able to dig out the signal buried in the natural background noise !!!

HAARP archived FAQ:
http://web.archive.org/web/20130221092611/http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/faq.html
 

Gazmik

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3.6 MW might be the actual power of the transmitter but the Effective Radiated Power (ERP) is around 3.6 GW since the theoretical maximum antenna array gain is just over 30 dB, a power factor increase of about x1,000.
You're still only transmitting 3.6 megawatts, not gigawatts. The ERP is only a measure of directivity of the antenna. The 3.6 megawatts is just concentrated in a narrower beam. The signal strength in the main lobe of HAARP's phased-array is equivalent to that of transmitting at a higher power with an omnidirectional antenna transmitting in all directions.
 

FuzzyUK

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You're still only transmitting 3.6 megawatts, not gigawatts. The ERP is only a measure of directivity of the antenna. The 3.6 megawatts is just concentrated in a narrower beam. The signal strength in the main lobe of HAARP's phased-array is equivalent to that of transmitting at a higher power with an omnidirectional antenna transmitting in all directions.
It's more than a measure of directivity, the antenna acts as an equivalent power amplifier in the direction of it's gain. So if you took a reading of a received signal when transmitted from a dipole, you would get the same received signal strength using the transmitter's phased array by dropping the power level by 30 dB.

But we are on the same wavelength here and it's easy for the layman to be confused between actual radiated power and effective radiated power.
 

Mick West

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It's not really amplifying the power though, just concentrating it. Like a hose pipe set to wide spray or narrow jet, there's the same amount of water coming through.
 

Gazmik

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It's more than a measure of directivity, the antenna acts as an equivalent power amplifier in the direction of it's gain. So if you took a reading of a received signal when transmitted from a dipole, you would get the same received signal strength using the transmitter's phased array by dropping the power level by 30 dB.

But we are on the same wavelength here and it's easy for the layman to be confused between actual radiated power and effective radiated power.
For the layman, it might be easier to visualize the concept using the analogy of a bare 100 watt light bulb shining an all directions. If you place a mirror next to it, it will be brighter on the other side of the bulb because of the reflected light, even though the light bulb is still emitting the same amount of light. With a parabolic mirror it will concentrate the light even more so. But, there still is no more light. It's just concentrated in a smaller area.
 

FuzzyUK

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It's not really amplifying the power though, just concentrating it. Like a hose pipe set to wide spray or narrow jet, there's the same amount of water coming through.
A directional antenna is actually a "mechanical" power amplifier nonetheless and does the job of having to increase the RF power generated by electronic means. It works the other way round too so you can dig out weak radio signals using a directional antenna and amplify them by mechanical means before they get to the receiver instead of using a masthead pre-amp. Clear as mud, lol, which is what water does when sprayed on the garden for too long.
 
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Mick West

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A directional antenna is actually a "mechanical" power amplifier nonetheless and does the job of having to increase the RF power generated by electronic means. It works the other way round too so you can dig out weak radio signals using a directional antenna and amplify them by mechanical means before they get to the receiver instead of using a masthead pre-amp.
But it's not adding any power to the signal though. It's just concentrating the signal.

Otherwise you'd have a perpetual motion machine.
 

Gazmik

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But it's not adding any power to the signal though. It's just concentrating the signal.

Otherwise you'd have a perpetual motion machine.
Yes. Or, free energy machine. You don't get more energy out of a system than you put into it.

A phased array uses phasing between the elements of the array to cause phase cancellation and addition to make it directional. It isn't an amplifier.
 

FuzzyUK

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Yes. Or, free energy machine. You don't get more energy out of a system than you put into it.

A phased array uses phasing between the elements of the array to cause phase cancellation and addition to make it directional. It isn't an amplifier.
It is as far as a receiver with a signal strength meter is concerned, which measures the signal strength at the antenna input terminal for a given antenna input impedance (usually 50 ohms). This is translatable in power terms and you really would see a 30 dB rise in signal strength if the transmitter swapped it's antenna from a dipole to a multi-element antenna with 30dB gain (assuming the transmitter power remains the same).
 
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Mick West

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It is as far as a receiver with a signal strength meter is concerned, which measures the signal strength at the antenna input terminal for a given antenna input impedance (usually 50 ohms). This is translatable in power terms and you really would see a 30 dB rise in signal strength if the transmitter swapped it's antenna from a dipole to a multi-element antenna with 30dB gain (assuming the transmitter power remains the same).
Those are just different antennas extracting more energy from the signal. They are not adding any energy to it.
 

FuzzyUK

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"Just a theory" does it a great injustice, not only does it claim HAARP can great earthquakes, it also invents near-light-speed "gravitational spaceships", time travel, and a useful method for transporting large monoliths.
Getting back to "Professor Fran De Aquino", he states he is a graduate from Akamai university.

http://www.akamaiuniversity.us/accreditation.html
Please Note: Akamai University is not accredited by an accrediting agency or association recognized by the US Department of Education. Before undertaking any program of studies in higher education or training, Akamai University strongly advises interested applicants to consult with licensing authorities, professional associations, colleges and universities, and prospective employers to determine with clarity if the desired degree program will meet their professional requirements.
 

Cairenn

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My first attempt to locate him on staff at the college he says he teaches at was unsuccessful. Of course I was working Through Google translate

http://portais.ufma.br/PortalUfma/index.jsf
https://sigaa.ufma.br/sigaa/public/curso/lista.jsf?nivel=G&aba=p-graduacao

Some more places he is mentioned.

http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=29394

http://translate.google.com/transla...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1024&bih=640

An interesting post in a discussion about some of his research. This is from 2003 and he shares it with a UFO researcher. De Aquino seems to feel that HAARP can warp time itself.

http://forums.anandtech.com/archive/index.php/t-999857.html
 
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