[Fake] UFO's Casting Shadows On The Moon - "OVNI sur la Lune , 2020-03-26"

Getoffthisplanet

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This one is getting a lot of attention.

Source: https://youtu.be/uJOIIEQF_xs

from vid description

This video is not mine. A friend passed it on to me.
Filmed towards Montreal in the late afternoon with a Nikon P1000
He tells me:
I regularly film the Moon by day, at the time of the first and last crescent.
I think that if a hidden activity must be visible on the Moon, it is at this moment, when the population does not observe it, because it is day and the first or last crescent makes it more discreet in the sky.
And after hundreds of videos, March 26 ...
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UFOofinterest asked me to stabilize the footage and to specifically look at the shadows, I haven't gotten to that yet but here's a stabilized and contrast enhanced version highlighting the objects:

Source: https://youtu.be/6zgXHWKzeHc


I'm aware of the difficulties proving hoax from a well done CG fake and sadly math and astronomy are not my fortes, but isn't there a way to estimate the size, speed and distance traveled based on how far the objects traveled from curvature of the moon to the area in shadow?

If real these objects were real they would have to be massive and fast, no?
 
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Mick West

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It's quite well done, with the correct moon phase, and appears like a good attempt at getting the lighting direction correct. It's a tricky one to stabilize due to atmospheric distortion. I did this one:
 

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Creamy Pasta

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They appear to pass by Endymion is just a mere 2 to 3 seconds. Given that it's 125km wide that's some orbital velocity. But the Moon's escape velocity is just 2.38km/s. So, in making a really good looking video the physics had to go right out of the window.
 

Ravi

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The shadows look ridiculously incorrect to me. The shadows on the objects are wrong. Knowing the sun is illuminating it from the right. the shadow cannot be on top of the object. As we know, the sun's rays are almost parallel (collimated) when arriving at the moon. It looks off by a large margin. Cleverly made though, probably someone was good in rotoscoping and CGI.
 

Mick West

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As noted in a YouTube comment, at 0:34 the fake atmospheric distortion is not applied, the moon suddenly appears solid, but the camera and cloud continue to move. This proves that it's a fake.



Credit to ARTMA DG
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Here I've just rotated it and increased the contrast to make it clearer. The moon image suddenly becomes rock solid.
 

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Mendel

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If the flying objects were spheres, the shadow on their skins would look like the moon: a small lit crescent on the right. The surface turned to us can't be as brightly lit as it is. And the sun incident angle to the shadows on the ground looks all wrong, too.
 

Getoffthisplanet

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As noted in a YouTube comment, at 0:34 the fake atmospheric distortion is not applied, the moon suddenly appears solid, but the camera and cloud continue to move. This proves that it's a fake.

There are 155 frames/4:05 seconds from when the distortion stops until the main zoom and big action.

Seems like forgetting to apply the displacement/distortion effect here doesn't jibe too well with the advanced artistic abilities needed to create this fake.

Is it an absolute that this sort of atmospheric distortion is a constant in real life or can the turbulence ever be periodic?
 

Mick West

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Is it an absolute that this sort of atmospheric distortion is a constant in real life or can the turbulence ever be periodic?
It's not constant, but it's never going to be zero in the daytime at that magnification. The effect they used here also looks a bit watery, atmospheric distortion is faster.
Compare the UFO distortion with this:
Source: https://youtu.be/FZCI2Pp-jLQ?t=38


Night videos can have more stable air, but still will have SOME distortion.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO7wKGHQBBw
 
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Ravi

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Mick, is it possible to stabilise the moon in the 7 second video you presented above (post #7)?
This would even show more clear how much distortion is "left".
 

mendezmendez

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Hi everyone! I recreated this video with CGI over the weekend, here's a breakdown of the process:
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScBx2EwSuDo


My theory is that the original video features real footage of the moon with real camera jitter and some atmospheric distortion, then they did the exact same process as I did, but only used the cgi moon to get the shadows to interact with the terrain's geometry. They overlaid the UFOs + shadows on top of the real moon, matched the depth of field / focus and added more distortion fx on top to tie it all together.
 

Mick West

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Mick, is it possible to stabilise the moon in the 7 second video you presented above (post #7)?
This would even show more clear how much distortion is "left".


It's not perfect, because the changing brightness from the scrolling cloud overlay made precise feature-tracking difficult. But this largely removes the fake camera shake and does show the abrupt cessation of the distortion more clearly.
 

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Mick West

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My theory is that the original video features real footage of the moon with real camera jitter and some atmospheric distortion
Great recreation. But I think it's more likely they used a still image and added all the shake and atmospheric effects - based on the sudden stopping of the distortion seen above.
 

Ravi

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It's not perfect, because the changing brightness from the scrolling cloud overlay made precise feature-tracking difficult. But this largely removes the fake camera shake and does show the abrupt cessation of the distortion more clearly.

Thanks. And, proven fake indeed.
 

Khaled Salah

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I analysed the video from the orbital mechanics point of view
1. the path seems to follow a latitude line rather than a great circle ....that's impossible orbit path or even a route of travel
2. with pixel count the crafts are around 18 Km AGL, using your advanced curvature calculator with the moon radius, that gives 250 Km from the crafts to the horizon, it took at least 2 seconds from the moment it appeared on the horizon until it reached it's highest point above the moon's horizon from our perspective, that gives it a speed of 125 Km/s
3. to orbit the moon (regardless to the unrealistic orbit path) at 125Km/s , the crafts require downward thrust equivalent to 917 Gs (g for earth gravity) to counter the centrifugal force (centrifugal acceleration for that speed and radius is around 9000 m/s^2 )

my video: Source: https://youtu.be/-uyhn7oI
 
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Matt33

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A 4K NASA video from Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter might be the source for the UFO Video:
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFC71rFejvo

At 00:09 we have this frame:
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Beginning of UFO video:
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Zoomed in, tilted and tinted the NASA screenshot looks like this:
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Compare to UFO video:
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Close up from UFO video:
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Close up from NASA video (no rotation):
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Edit: even higher resolution videos at the NASA website:
https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/4655
 

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jarlrmai

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The moon is going to look pretty similar between images if it's in the same phase between photos maybe slight shadow differences on the shallower craters.
 
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