Debunked: NASA Scientist Admitting 'Chemtrails' for decades (actually Sounding Rockets)

MikeC

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I can't watch videos right now, I wonder what they twisted for this story.
It is the recent lithium payload fired by NASA. It's a sounding rocket fired into the upper atmosphere to study the winds on the edge of space. It's something they have done for decades. It's totally unrelated to airplane contrails, and nothing at all like what people call "chemtrails"

Here's NASA's description of the program:
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sounding-rockets/
Here's a 1964 description of a similar experiment. As NASA says this is nothing new, and it's nothing secret.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=sekcAAAAIBAJ&sjid=11gEAAAAIBAJ&dq=nasa sounding rocket lithium&pg=5885,4057829


The scientist on the other end does use the term "chemtrails" twice that I recall - in the context of "chemical trail" which he also uses for the lithium gas released. He's just using the term because the caller used it, and it's a useful abbreviation for "chemical trails". The rocket obviously leaves a trail of chemicals.

He also points out that the actual trail would be invisible, that lithium is actually hard to use because its invisible and they are trying to develop direct sensors so they don't have to release anything (this test was part of that development programme), and that they are much higher than aircraft contrails.

[Admin: OP expanded with info from the thread]
 
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solrey

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I can't watch videos right now, I wonder what they twisted for this story.
There was a launch of two sub-orbital sounding rockets on July 4, the launch window was from 6/24 - 7/7. It was publicly announced no later than 1/25 in conjunction with the advance notice of a launch that occurred on 1/29. The person who made the vid recorded a call they made to NASA. One of their concerns was that the launches were allegedly not made known to the public. If said caller followed real science news at all they would have been aware of the launches. Her other primary contention was that lithium was dispersed. Lithium vapor has been used several times in the past in order to study winds in the ionosphere. A small amount of lithium was dispersed at somewhere around 100 miles altitude. The guy from NASA actually did a good job of remaining calm and explaining the science as best he could. Some youtuber found out about the rocket launches and since then it's been shared numerous times making the rounds among the chemtrail crowd. Apparently one of them decided to call NASA to give them a hard time but the reasoned explanations actually seemed to quiet her down a bit. Just another example of uninformed people fearing that which they do not understand.

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/wallops/news/west129.html

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sounding-rockets/news/electrical-dynamo.html#.UeNshK5ncmU

http://www.universetoday.com/103286...stigate-earths-global-daytime-dynamo-current/
 

Ross Marsden

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He is kindly and patiently explaining the experiment and why it is done.
Initially he asked for questions to be emailed and he would reply that way, but no, the caller insisted on being told on the phone.
Was he informed that he was being recorded? There was a discussion of recording phone calls at the beginning.

He mentioned "chem trails", I suppose as an abbreviation for chemical trails. They use chemicals, a variety of them I guess, and they are released in a trail so that they can be tracked to measure the wind. So he calls the trail a chem trail. I don't see what the problem with this is.
 
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exu156

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I agree with indeed how calm the NASA official conducts himself (I don't think I would have reacted so calmly) and how incredibly dishonest the lady that made the recording was. She does not inform him that he is being recorded and publishes the video on youtube (including his email address). Then again conspiracy theorists are not exactly known for their honesty.
 
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FreiZeitGeist

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A chemtrail-Believer named Jim Kerr asked NASA about this and gets a very detailed Answer.

Jim Kerr has a website http://www.chemtrailsavca.com/
a Facebook-Account: https://www.facebook.com/jim.kerr.142240
and a Youtube-Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ChemtrailsAVCA

....but he published these emails at this Conspirancy-Site:
http://www.thetruthdenied.com/news/...bout-chemtrails-here-is-what-nasa-wrote-back/

This is the email he sends to NASA

Letter to NASA from Jim Kerr
Date: July 11, 2013 From: James Kerr <jameskerr10948@msn.com>

To: “Rowland, Douglas E. (GSFC-6740)” <douglas.e.rowland@nasa.gov>
Subject: ChemtrailsDear Mr. Rowland,

Dear Mr. Rowland,

I have been following alternate sites, gathering information on chemtrails and other various experiments conducted in the atmosphere. As I am sure you are aware thousands of people have been reporting on chemtrail activity worldwide for a number of years now. The internet is loaded with videos and photos depicting this activity with many theories surrounding this topic. Some theories pretty far out there. This subject sparked my interest several years ago. Being a retired police investigator in combination with a part time videography and photography business I began taking video and photos of chemtrail activity over the Antelope Valley, Ca. In the past two years I have compiled thousand of photos and hundred of hours of color, infrared and full spectrum footage of these events. Utilizing a 1400 mm lens I have been able to capture spraying jets activate and deactivate the spraying apparatus with different length trails targeting various unusual cloud formations. Along with chemtrails I have captured other strange experiments of what appears to be man made cloud formations that are somehow anchored in the sky unaffected by high winds. These various cloud formations are continually sprayed by jets targeting the upwind portion of the cloud. As the cloud remains stationary the rear portion of the cloud emits cloud material that is carried away by the wind. Like the exhaust of an internal combustion engine (Tail Pipe). On one occasion videoing one very large cloud, I observed on radar this cloud material being carried away into Mexico and east into Arizona. Other strange triangular craft have been captured worldwide releasing cloud material and interacting with chemtrail spray. I have also captured these craft as well. I do not believe in UFO’s or ET’s from another planet but these craft are strange. I have captured all these events by simply pointing my cameras to the sky from my ranch in the Antelope Valley, Ca. One small area of sky. As stated these events are being captured worldwide. Over the past two years I have supplied all my footage and photos to chemtrail activists, talk radio personalities and research groups in a hope to find answers to these ongoing geo engineering / chemtrail / cloud operations. Most researchers, activists, and alternate news reporters believe all this activity to be a clandestine operation with serious health issues resulting from this activity. I believe there is a logical scientific explanation of these events and have received help from constituents in finding answers. These events go way beyond simple contrails. I am contacting NASA in hope that their open door policy of transparency to the public will shed some light and information to this activity. If possible please forward information on these activities and I will forward that information to my constituents in the hope of bringing a logical explanation to these activities.

Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,

Jim Kerr
This is NASA responding:

Letter from NASA to JIM KERR
From: keith.a.koehler@nasa.gov
To: jameskerr10948@msn.com
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:08:59 -0500
Subject: FW: Chemtrails

James:

Your inquiry below was forwarded to me for response. NASA uses chemical or vapor trails to help us understand the space environment particularly in the ionosphere and within auroras. In the past few years we have conducted rocket launches from Alaska, Virginia and the Marshall Islands that have employed the use of these vapor trails.

Below is a description of our most recent experiment, the Daytime Dynamo, that employed the use of these vapor trails. The process we use for all of our suborbital rocket experiments is similar to this. Based on your description below, the types of vapor trails we use for scientific study do not fall within what you have documented. If you go to the NASA web site and do a search on aircraft vapor trails you may find some helpful information. If you would like to discuss this further you can call me at 757-824-1579. Keith Koehler Office of Communications NASA Wallops Flight Facility

The Daytime Dynamo Mission, a joint project between NASA and the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA), included the launch of two sounding rockets on July 4 from NASA’s Wallops Flight Facility in Virginia, to study the ionosphere’s global electrical current called the dynamo. The dynamo sweeps through the lower ionosphere at ~100-125 km (60-80 miles) above Earth forming a complicated global pattern due to variations caused by magnetic fields around the Earth and solar activity. The main energy driver of the dynamo is believed to be motions of the neutral gases in the ionosphere, or neutral winds of the extreme upper atmosphere. (These winds have no relation to the winds at the surface of the earth that forms our familiar weather patterns.) Thus, the objectives of the Dynamo Mission include measuring the dynamo current as well as the motions of the neutral gases in space. A standard technique for measuring the motions of the neutral gases in space is to release a very small amount of vapor from a rocket or satellite payload which is then used as a tracer which may be subsequently photographed from the ground (or, in the case of the Dynamo Mission, from an airplane.)

Lithium was chosen as the tracer for the Dynamo Mission because of its unusually bright narrow-band emission at 670.7 nm wavelength, a wavelength in the infrared range, which enables it to be visible in the daytime with cameras with infrared filters. The lithium that was released in space poses absolutely no threat to the earth’s biosphere and life on earth. The lithium vapor is created by heating solid metal lithium rods or chips such that they change to lithium vapor with a small amount of lithium oxide which is created as a byproduct. The total amount of lithium that was released in space during the Dynamo Mission was 750 grams (or 1.65 pounds). The estimates of the daily meteoric metal deposition rates in the upper atmosphere range from approximately 40 to 200 tons per day. The peak deposition of the meteoric material occurs in the 80-110 km (50-70 miles) altitude range where most meteors ablate. The lithium metal released by the Dynamo mission was therefore a miniscule fraction of the metals deposited in that altitude range on a daily basis by meteor ablation.

Further, the very small amount of lithium that was released in this experiment was spread over a large height range, such that their concentrations are far less than those already present in the natural environment within a few minutes after the initial release. The main scientific motivation for understanding the Earth’s dynamo is that it is fundamental part of nature and our planet’s space environment. Indeed, all planets with a partially ionized upper atmosphere and magnetic field are believed to have dynamo currents. The dynamo currents of Jupiter and Saturn are believed to be quite large, for example.

In addition to our desire to understand the earth’s space environment, there is a practical application as well for studying the dynamo currents: The earth’s ionosphere influences radio-wave propagation and thus any disturbances in the ionosphere, such as those associated with the dynamo currents, may influence communication and navigation signals. Thus, understanding the dynamo current in space helps us understand radio-wave propagation in the ionosphere.

For more information on NASA’s sounding rockets program, see: http://www.nasa.gov/soundingrockets
Caption: A global electric current called the dynamo exists in the ionosphere and creates patterns such as those shown here. Credit: USGS
Caption: The lithium trail released by the Dynamo rocket reveals the motions of neutral gases in the earth’s ionosphere. Credit: NASA.
(reformating by me)
 

Jay Reynolds

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Jim Kerr said:
I do not believe in UFO’s or ET’s from another planet but these craft are strange.
Jim Kerr is a little more forthcoming on his website, he thinks the planes may be run by Satan and Fallen Angels.

Jim Kerr said:
Gods creation: humans, animals, our earth is under attack by luciferian corrupted men working on the side of satan who is here to kill and destroy God's creation. Their lust for power and wealth far surpass their concerns for human life. The fact is these powers within the New World Order have no concern or compassion for human life. Their technologies are beyond science fiction and light years ahead of what we know and perceive. The technology is Alien but it's not ET. They operate under a veil of secrecy, lies and deceptions.

This website is dedicated to the ongoing documentation of, Signs in the Sky, UFO's, The Alien Deception, The Great Coming Deception, The Falling Away, Project Blue Beam, HARRP, Weather Warfare Weapons, Cloaked Craft, Chemtrail Spraying, Chemclouds. Aliens, aka, FALLEN ANGELS, and Fallen Angel Technology given to evil luciferian Illuminati men for the destruction of God's creation, which is you and me and the earth we live on. Biblical Prophecy unfolding before our eyes.
http://www.chemtrailsavca.com/
 

TWCobra

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They are observing wind patterns in the upper atmosphere using chemicals that leave a visible trail.

So what?
 

Jay Reynolds

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This is stretching the limits of "chemtrails". Why not call the rocket exhaust a "chemtrail"? Why not call a crop duster a "chemtrail". Why not call a military helicopter's exhaust a "chemtrail"? Why not forest fighting chemicals "chemtrails"?

Those "chemtrails", like the lithium trails in space you refer to might serve as 'gateway' examples, but they really aren't what the chemtrails hoax has been about all along, and I think Geeksquad knows that. The real "chemtrails" are mysterious, the happen far too high, they are seen nearly every day somewhere. Supposedly "no one knows" where they come from (except G. Edward Griffin and every commercial pilot who's ever flown)

The problem for this way of advancing the idea of chemtrails is that once you dilute the meaning of the word, some of these "chemtrails" are benign, the mosquito spraying and firefighting retardants are actually helpful. Is this really what the chemtrail people want to do? Are these admissions 'real sexy fear porn' able to bring out hordes of people on marches worldwide? Is this what a real cult is built on, a few rockets releasing a wheelbarrow load of lithium in space?

Not really. The classic "chemtrail" is what looks and acts exactly like a contrail, and we all know that sometimes water behaves badly.
 
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GregMc

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NASA Releases 5 Rockets Containing Chemtrails of Aluminum at Wallops
http://ahrcanum.wordpress.com/2012/03/27/chemtrails-released-by-nasa-rocket-launch/

Nasa has released substantially more than 5 rockets that leave "chemtrails" of aluminium:
Meet the space shuttle:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Solid_Rocket_Booster

The shuttle used aluminium as a fuel in its booster rockets, and much studied as to the impacts of release of aluminium into the atmosphere.
http://secondsfromdisaster.net/wp-c...-disaster-myths-eject-seats_31732_600x450.jpg
http://images.nationalgeographic.co...er-disaster-myths-explosion_31734_600x450.jpg
 

MikeC

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Indeed - rockets of all kinds leave an exhaust of chemicals, as do all aircraft, trucks, ships and trains that use any form of chemical combustion.

so do you, and all other animals and plants.

None of them look like contrails tho....except for contrails.
 
This old recording is circulating again thanks to its "rediscovery" by the AnonHQ website. Snopes has published a very thorough debunking article, including part of an interview with Keith Koehler (who was quoted above in post #9).

http://www.snopes.com/nasa-lithium-chemtrails-conspiracy/

I particularly like this statement by Koehler:

I'm not sure that last sentence was chosen well. Lithium is present in meteorites but isn't a huge fraction of the mass (as far as I can tell from a brief search). But the point is still good.
 
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