Debunked: Government buys 30,000 guillotines

Cairenn

Senior Member.
A friend of mine commented on this tonight on FB. The current posting is from an anti Muslim site. The original story goes back to 2008.

It seems to go with FEMA camps, and boxcars with shackles and coffins.

Bunk links:
http://shariaunveiled.wordpress.com...vernment-recently-purchase-30000-guillotines/

http://educate-yourself.org/ps/confrimsguillotinesfortlewis28jun08.shtml

[Addendum by Mick for one-post visitors]:

Basically the debunk for this is that there is absolutely zero evidence besides various versions of the same story on the internet. It's just an urban legend that has been around since the 1990s. Here's an example from 1997:
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/revalation_prophecy.htm
In or around 1991, a convoy of military transport vehicles, manned by a group of marines, transported close to 100,000 units of SOMETHING...in CRATES...headed for a supposedly "closed" military base in Montana. This was a SECRET mission. As part of the crew was the son of a family friend of, one of my oldest Seattle friends (also a client). When they reached their drop-off point the drivers were BLINDFOLDED and taken to a holding facility.
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What this young man saw was a crate being emptied of it's contents...and those contents...a FULL SIZED GUILLOTINE, Woody! This was no oversized cheese slicer!
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cloudspotter

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I saw this posted on fb and I thought it was going to turn out to be part of a stationery order. Different sort of guillotine.

 
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Mick West

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See also this from 1997:
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/revalation_prophecy.htm
Actually Woody, there were news stories concerning these "Guillotines" all over the place. National news...but I can't remember EXACTLY where I heard it. The fact that it WAS announced is a matter of history now Woody, I have had several people E-Mail me concerning this news since I made this prediction several years ago.

In or around 1991, a convoy of military transport vehicles, manned by a group of marines, transported close to 100,000 units of SOMETHING...in CRATES...headed for a supposedly "closed" military base in Montana. This was a SECRET mission. As part of the crew was the son of a family friend of, one of my oldest Seattle friends (also a client). When they reached their drop-off point the drivers were BLINDFOLDED and taken to a holding facility.

This young man was a little disturbed by the whole charade (oh those impetuous youth) and, determined to get a close look, asked the Sergeant-at-arms if he could relieve himself. After being escorted to the head, the sergeant waited out of sight of the door. This man then took a peek out a nearby window to see what the big deal was. What he saw shocked him! He came back and afterward related this to his mother. This is how I first came into this information.

What this young man saw was a crate being emptied of it's contents...and those contents...a FULL SIZED GUILLOTINE, Woody! This was no oversized cheese slicer!

But the sordid story gets DEEPER. This is a CONSPIRACY Woody, because it has been ORCHESTRATED to look like a natural "evolution" of capital punishment from gas, lethal injection and electrocution TO the USE OF GUILLOTINES...but it is NOT. We are being set up!
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From IamDorian@aol.com (Dorian George?)

Seems like it part of the survivalist/militia fringe mythology.
 

Pete Tar

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I was looking up Ted Gunderson's wiki and it said he died of cyanide poisoning - I thought it odd that it was not followed up with more detail, but failed to check the references. Today I noticed when I checked it had been changed to death by cancer, with a citation.
The only results that come up for Gunderson and cyanide are some conspiracy sites and a youtube video by Anthony Hilder.
The official cause of death was bladder cancer but a Dr Dr Edward Lucidi claims that was a result of the cyanide poisoning. I can't find any other information on him not connected with this claim.

(Edit - in the wiki revision history page there is a comment - "This page probably needs better protection from conspiracy theorists...")
 

guyonearth

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Given that no Dr. Edward Lucidi shows up in a simple search outside of the same conspiracy theory threads, one might wonder if in fact the name was garbled or if he is in fact a fabrication. A practicing doctor would have an office or P.A. he was associated with, or be on a hospital staff somewhere.
 

guyonearth

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Regarding the original topic, one could reasonably question what sort of company would have 30,000 guillotines in stock, or what manufacturing company would be able to supply such an order....
Conspiracy theorists seem to have a remarkably tenuous grip in reality sometimes...
 

Hevach

Senior Member.
I saw this posted on fb and I thought it was going to turn out to be part of a stationery order. Different sort of guillotine.
I was thinking of the number of medical devices called guillotines. It's a ring with a blade that slides across it, and they come in all kinds of sizes and variations. They're used in tonsillectomies, mole removal, some types of amputation (particularly finger or toe, and not just in humans - declawing cats, for example). Heck, you can even go down to the pet store and buy a guillotine for trimming your cat's toenails.

Good luck removing a head with any of them. You'd have better luck with the paper cutting type.
 

Trailblazer

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Given that no Dr. Edward Lucidi shows up in a simple search outside of the same conspiracy theory threads, one might wonder if in fact the name was garbled or if he is in fact a fabrication. A practicing doctor would have an office or P.A. he was associated with, or be on a hospital staff somewhere.
His real name appears to be Edgar Lucidi, and he is a chemtrail believer.


According to this he is an 83-year-old ophthalmologist. http://www.healthgrades.com/physician/dr-edgar-lucidi-x2lwl

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Just on a hunch, I googled "Chanel Guillotine". Haven't quite mastered the art of providing links yet, but apparently the guillotine in question was made as an art piece by one Thomas Sachs, and far as I can tell, it was a one-off production.
 

guyonearth

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I can trace the guillotine-killing-Christians meme back to at least the early 80's, when I was in college. They showed films every week on campus, all kinds of stuff, anything goes kind of things, and one of the films shown (for entertainment purposes) was some end-times "left behind" kind of thing which I think was called "The Thunder and the Lightning" or something like that. At the end of the film, the cute young Christians who had become born again after the "rapture" and refused to receive the "mark of the beast" (some kind of tattoo) were taken to a "government facility", where they were ushered into a courtyard guarded by soldiers where there was, you guessed it, a guillotine. The movie ended on their horrified expressions of disbelief. I don't know how old the film was, but this would have been around 1981 or 1982, most likely, so the idea was circulating even then among the Christian fringe. I always assumed they got the idea from the executions of Sophie Scholl and her brother by the Nazis during WW2. For those that don't know, they were part of the White Rose anti-Nazi, anti-war movement in Germany at that time, and were students. They were killed with a guillotine, and are of course, justifiably honored since for their sacrifice, but are probably also viewed by some in the "end-times" fringe as an example of what's supposedly to come when the events of Revelation come to pass.
 

Jeremy

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I can trace the guillotine-killing-Christians meme back to at least the early 80's, when I was in college. They showed films every week on campus, all kinds of stuff, anything goes kind of things, and one of the films shown (for entertainment purposes) was some end-times "left behind" kind of thing which I think was called "The Thunder and the Lightning" or something like that. At the end of the film, the cute young Christians who had become born again after the "rapture" and refused to receive the "mark of the beast" (some kind of tattoo) were taken to a "government facility", where they were ushered into a courtyard guarded by soldiers where there was, you guessed it, a guillotine. The movie ended on their horrified expressions of disbelief. I don't know how old the film was, but this would have been around 1981 or 1982, most likely, so the idea was circulating even then among the Christian fringe. I always assumed they got the idea from the executions of Sophie Scholl and her brother by the Nazis during WW2. For those that don't know, they were part of the White Rose anti-Nazi, anti-war movement in Germany at that time, and were students. They were killed with a guillotine, and are of course, justifiably honored since for their sacrifice, but are probably also viewed by some in the "end-times" fringe as an example of what's supposedly to come when the events of Revelation come to pass.

I believe it's an interpretation of Revelation 20:4.

http://biblehub.com/revelation/20-4.htm
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
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I went to Sunday school at an end-times type Christian church, so I know all about this stuff, too.
 
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