Claim: New 9/11 Survivor Provides Explosive New Evidence

[CharlyAndy]

And specifically the claim here was that he was going to provide "explosive new evidence". Which he did not. Hence that claim was wrong.

I haven't seen his evidence either but that doesn't bear on his hearing explosions. Are you sure he didn't provide the evidence? Can you cite sources or otherwise prove that? There is plenty of evidence out there for all to see, in any case. We don't need any new evidence.

 

[Hama Neggs]

Have you never heard an explosion and not known its "magnitude?"

It's not about my personal experience with explosions.

"When?" I think Ricky could be excused if he didn't look at his watch and note the time.

Not the clock time, but the relationship to the sequence of other events.

"From where?" Put yourself in his shoes. He was not conducting a scientific experiment so it's not surprising if he didn't know where.

So he didn't say where he thought the "explosion" sounds came from?

What is your intent here?

To find out what he said.

To cast doubt on Ricky's testimony

His testimony casts doubt on itself due to confused, incomplete and conflicting statements.

or to get at the facts of 911

I'm not at all sure that this person has any new "facts" to relate about 911, except for some of his own personal experiences which seem to be fairly emotional at their center.

or maybe something else?

Speak plainly, please.

 

[Mick West]

I haven't seen his evidence either but that doesn't bear on his hearing explosions. Are you sure he didn't provide the evidence? Can you cite sources or otherwise prove that? There is plenty of evidence out there for all to see, in any case. We don't need any new evidence.

His evidence is the topic of this tread. If you want to discuss something else, then discuss it elsewhere. But please review the posting guideline to save yourself unnecessary work.
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/posting-guidelines.2064/

 

[Hama Neggs]

I haven't seen his evidence either but that doesn't bear on his hearing explosions.

I repeat my point. I think he doesn't mention hearing explosions in this vid, so if he talked about that elsewhere would you provide a link to it?

 

[Mick West]

I have removed CharlyAndy from this thread, as he seems more interested in general 9/11 topics than the "Explosive New Evidence" that is the topic of this thread.

 

[Efftup]

He had his hands on the lobby doors, then heard the second plane coming in and had time to get out a camera and take pictures of the second plane impacting? I doubt that.

"I have pictures of the plane going in..."

coming towards and over him so the crash was literally right above his head. and he also has pictures of straight after it went in, despite the fact he'd been knocked back 20 feet (presumably with camera still in hand) and the debris was coming down by the time he regained his feet.

Unless someone else took these photos.

 

[Jeffrey Orling]

Could you provide that demonstration for us? I think that the his recollection of explosive blasts is demonstrably true because it has been corroborated by many other witnesses. Could you debunk that?

Things exploded in the buildings as they burned.... even auto gas tanks might have exploded... people DID hear explosions... but there is no evidence that they heard BOMBS.... I heard a terrorist bomb go off in lower Manhattan... I was probably a few hundred feet away.... eating in a restaurant... The bomb was at the Federal building... It was very very very loud and like nothing I've heard in the city. I've also heard transformers explode... they are quite loud and could be mistaken for a bomb. There were scores of transformers at the WTC site. Many had to have exploded. Any reports of transformer explosions? Ask WIliam Rodriguez... that's what he heard..... electrical switch gear exploding from a short.

Man may believe what he says...but he is naive, and not a reliable witness.

 

[Keith Beachy]

Could you provide that demonstration for us? I think that the his recollection of explosive blasts is demonstrably true because it has been corroborated by many other witnesses. Could you debunk that?

Simile is evidence for, it sounded like an explosion. There were no explosives used on 9/11; the loud sounds are not evidence for explosives that were not used on 9/11. It is evidence of simile. As or like.

As for the plane going slow, Radar and video confirm speeds were around 490 to 590 mph for the two planes. The impacts prove the planes were going fast.

Where are the photos? What did they prove? Where is the new evidence? Everything that the planes did, and fire did on 9/11, explain all the things that happened on 911. Other claims have failed to be supported with evidence.
What is your claim releated to the failure of the guy to present any new evidence?

 

[DougW]

Explosions are not proof of deliberately placed explosives devices.

 

[Admiral Biscuit]

Did I miss the pictures of the airplane going into the building, or did they not include that in the photoset?

 

[Efftup]

Did I miss the pictures of the airplane going into the building, or did they not include that in the photoset?

No, it appears that having made all the "explosive evidence" claims in the video, the ones Mick posted links to APPEAR to be all that ever surfaced. If anyone can find the other pictures anywhere, it would be great to see a link.

 

[Hama Neggs]

New photos claimed to be here:

http://wearechange.org/exclusive-never-seen-photos-911/

Having computer problems. Maybe someone else can post the actual pics.

Ricki still has other photos that have not been released, these are the photos that we are given and we are letting you make up your own mind about them. Please also note Ricki is not a professional photographer and grabbed what he could to take these photos.

I didn't realize that vid was so old.

Published on Sep 11, 2014

 

[Mick West]

I didn't realize that vid was so old.

This thread is the same age (nearly 2 years). The pics were largely posted on the first page:
https://www.metabunk.org/claim-new-9-11-survivor-provides-explosive-new-evidence.t4450/#post-131049

 

[Efftup]

This thread is the same age (nearly 2 years). The pics were largely posted on the first page:
https://www.metabunk.org/claim-new-9-11-survivor-provides-explosive-new-evidence.t4450/#post-131049

so nothing really NEW did ever surface then? Not really surprised.

 

[Hama Neggs]

That one poster was pushing on it so hard, I thought it was something new. My bad.

 

[MikeC]

But they were. Check out testimony by Mr. McIlvane about the fatal injuries his son suffered. Full frontal damage as the lobby of one of the buildings exploded.

That's not what he says - what he ACTUALLY says is:

Bobby was one of the first ten bodies found. We took him home that week. We were one of the few. I finally found the doctor who examined him. He gave me an outline of a body, and he described all the injuries he had. But the fact is that all his injuries were in the face, the front of his face, his face was blown off, massive cuts in his chest, and his right arm were blown off. To me, that means explosion.

as quoted in international skeptics forum an sourced to infowars

that doesn't say there was an explosion - it says the father believes the nature of the injuries described to him aer consistent with what he thinks an explosion would cause.

However I note there is no mention at all about burns....which would appear to be an obvious injury that I would expect an explosion to cause...

Another article that includes an interview with his father says that:

All burns to his body were postmortem ruling out the idea that he was near where an airplane struck the tower.

Which amounts to also saying to me that it was not an actual explosion that killed him.

I haven't seen any evidence that he was killed at the impact (as opposed to at the collapse for example)other than statements to that effect in these articles or similar.

 

[DougW]

Things exploded in the buildings as they burned.... even auto gas tanks might have exploded... people DID hear explosions... but there is no evidence that they heard BOMBS.... I heard a terrorist bomb go off in lower Manhattan... I was probably a few hundred feet away.... eating in a restaurant... The bomb was at the Federal building... It was very very very loud and like nothing I've heard in the city. I've also heard transformers explode... they are quite loud and could be mistaken for a bomb. There were scores of transformers at the WTC site. Many had to have exploded. Any reports of transformer explosions? Ask WIliam Rodriguez... that's what he heard..... electrical switch gear exploding from a short.

Man may believe what he says...but he is naive, and not a reliable witness.

An interesting side point with the fire at a nightclub in London over the weekend (please correct me if it was elsewhere)where people reported hearing explosions and thinking it was a terror attack - the explosions were windows exploding from the heat of the fire.

 

[qed]

An interesting side point with the fire at a nightclub in London over the weekend (please correct me if it was elsewhere)where people reported hearing explosions and thinking it was a terror attack - the explosions were windows exploding from the heat of the fire.

Please provide links and not vague reminiscences.

 

[Whitebeard]

Please provide links and not vague reminiscences.

I think Doug is talking about this..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/08/firefighters-tackle-huge-fire-in-greenwich-nightclub/

As the crews work to bring the fire under control, the LFB has said in a tweet that some gas cylinders are involved, and a safety cordon is being set up.

Images shared across social media show a plume of black smoke which can been seen from across the capital.

Pictures of flames raging behind the Ibiza-style nightclub Studio 338, around a mile from The O2 Arena, have also been widely posted.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37012477

 

[DougW]

I think Doug is talking about this..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/08/firefighters-tackle-huge-fire-in-greenwich-nightclub/

As the crews work to bring the fire under control, the LFB has said in a tweet that some gas cylinders are involved, and a safety cordon is being set up.

Images shared across social media show a plume of black smoke which can been seen from across the capital.

Pictures of flames raging behind the Ibiza-style nightclub Studio 338, around a mile from The O2 Arena, have also been widely posted.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37012477

Yes, Thank you Jon. I tried looking for this article online to link up into my post but it had been drowned in local Australian news and since it was established it wasn't terror related and no Aussies involved it had lost it's click bait appeal.