Can End of the World Scenarios be debunked???

Another problem is we have made AI entities interconnected or at least network capable so there also lies a potential danger once self-awareness is realized . . . independent, self-actualized action to maintain existence . . . which is a logical result of human design . . . try to dismantle a Bureaucracy once created . . . LoL!!!
You ought to make a film about it..............Wait......
 
You ought to make a film about it..............Wait......
Like IRobit, Terminator Series, on and on . . . I know . . . that is fiction . . . however, unless we are vigilant I think we are soon entering into the capabilities where AI will be capable of independent action . . .
 
Seems there should be a set of guidelines or moratoriums that are articulated by the leaders in AI development and utilization (do they exist . . . if they do I have never seen them) . . . Not unlike those originally articulated in regards to recombinant DNA research . . .
 
I think we are a lot further along the line of DNA research than we are AI research - as far as I know the possibility of "self aware" AI is still "not far away" like it has been for 10-20 years - ie we're pretty sure it'll happen one day....we hope it will be soon......maybe.....perhaps about when we get fusion power.....

and of course people ARE thinking about exactly this sort of thing - albeit at a similarly early stage.
 
I think we are a lot further along the line of DNA research than we are AI research - as far as I know the possibility of "self aware" AI is still "not far away" like it has been for 10-20 years - ie we're pretty sure it'll happen one day....we hope it will be soon......maybe.....perhaps about when we get fusion power.....

and of course people ARE thinking about exactly this sort of thing - albeit at a similarly early stage.
Isaac Asimov articulated some in his Foundation Series . . . however, I feel the present leadership should estsblish a set of ethics about future development . . . and I don't think it is too early . . .
 
I feel the present leadership should estsblish a set of ethics about future development . . . and I don't think it is too early . . .
What "leadership"?

Don't get me wrong, Obama's quite a catch.

I'd rather Skynet than any more Republicans, though. Whatsoever. Can that be arranged, George?
 
What "leadership"?

Don't get me wrong, Obama's quite a catch.

I'd rather Skynet than any more Republicans, though. Whatsoever. Can that be arranged, George?
Bill Gates, Dr. Kurzweil, etc . . . .

Doubt Skynet could differentiate between political party . . . LoL!!!


Several years ago the artificial-intelligence pioneer Raymond Kurzweil took the idea one step further in his 2005 book, “The Singularity Is Near: When Humans Transcend Biology.” He sought to expand Moore’s Law to encompass more than just processing power and to simultaneously predict with great precision the arrival of post-human evolution, which he said would occur in 2045.


In Dr. Kurzweil’s telling, rapidly increasing computing power in concert with cyborg humans would then reach a point when machine intelligence not only surpassed human intelligence but took over the process of technological invention, with unpredictable consequences.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/24/weekinreview/24markoff.html
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This is rather interesting . . . the high level cognitive processes are easy for AI . . . not the easy stuff . . . so scientists, engineers and CEOs beware . . .


Moravec's paradox

Moravec's paradox is the discovery by artificial intelligence and robotics researchers that, contrary to traditional assumptions, high-level reasoning requires very little computation, but low-level sensorimotor skills require enormous computational resources. The principle was articulated by Hans Moravec, Rodney Brooks, Marvin Minsky and others in the 1980s. As Moravec writes: "it is comparatively easy to make computers exhibit adult level performance on intelligence tests or playing checkers, and difficult or impossible to give them the skills of a one-year-old when it comes to perception and mobility."[1]


Linguist and cognitive scientist Steven Pinker considers this the most significant discovery uncovered by AI researchers. In his book The Language Instinct, he writes:


"The main lesson of thirty-five years of AI research is that the hard problems are easy and the easy problems are hard. The mental abilities of a four-year-old that we take for granted – recognizing a face, lifting a pencil, walking across a room, answering a question – in fact solve some of the hardest engineering problems ever conceived.... As the new generation of intelligent devices appears, it will be the stock analysts and petrochemical engineers and parole board members who are in danger of being replaced by machines. The gardeners, receptionists, and cooks are secure in their jobs for decades to come."[2]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravec's_paradox
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Based on the computation capabilities how far away is the AI capability of skynet??


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Transistor_Count_and_Moore's_Law_-_2011.svg&page=1

Moore's law is the observation that over the history of computing hardware, the number of transistors on integrated circuits doubles approximately every two years. The period often quoted as "18 months" is due to Intel executive David House, who predicted that period for a doubling in chip performance (being a combination of the effect of more transistors and their being faster).[1]


The law is named after Intel co-founder Gordon E. Moore, who described the trend in his 1965 paper.[2][3][4] The paper noted that the number of components in integrated circuits had doubled every year from the invention of the integrated circuit in 1958 until 1965 and predicted that the trend would continue "for at least ten years".[5] His prediction has proven to be uncannily accurate, in part because the law is now used in the semiconductor industry to guide long-term planning and to set targets for research and development.[6]

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Skynet is a fictional, self-aware artificial intelligence system which features centrally in the Terminator franchise and serves as the franchise's main antagonist. Scarcely depicted visually in any of the Terminator media, Skynet's operations are almost exclusively performed by war-machines, cyborgs (usually a Terminator), and other computer systems, with its ultimate goal the extinction of the human race.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_(Terminator)
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Singulatarians are the AI top dog . . . the ultimate human replacement . . . http://singularitarian.tumblr.com/

Artificial intelligence is already used to automate and replace some human functions with computer-driven machines. These machines can see and hear, respond to questions, learn, draw inferences and solve problems. But for the Singulatarians, A.I. refers to machines that will be both self-aware and superhuman in their intelligence, and capable of designing better computers and robots faster than humans can today. Such a shift, they say, would lead to a vast acceleration in technological improvements of all kinds.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/24/weekinreview/24markoff.html

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That's the only interesting part of this discussion, George.

On the one hand, as children entering the primary school process we have already mastered something which no programmer could program. We have learned to operate our own machine - our body. Everything achieved scholastically pales into insignificance compared with that...... miracle. And we all did THAT.

Thirty years ago it all seemed just around the corner. Now "we" operate drones which can kill halfway round the world in the unspoken name of oil. Can't say I'm keen*. It certainly seems to beat the idea of robotic solar harvesters tending the whole Earth as a permacultural garden while feeding us all.

Hail Skynet, the savior of the Earth!

* I'm looking forward to the arrival of hardened soldier robots, with a steady aim and no concept of death, aren't you?
 
That's the only interesting part of this discussion, George.

On the one hand, as children entering the primary school process we have already mastered something which no programmer could program. We have learned to operate our own machine - our body. Everything achieved scholastically pales into insignificance compared with that...... miracle. And we all did THAT.

Thirty years ago it all seemed just around the corner. Now "we" operate drones which can kill halfway round the world in the unspoken name of oil. Can't say I'm keen*. It certainly seems to beat the idea of robotic solar harvesters tending the whole Earth as a permacultural garden while feeding us all.

Hail Skynet, the savior of the Earth!

* I'm looking forward to the arrival of hardened soldier robots, with a steady aim and no concept of death, aren't you?
Seems the military has been the most aggressive user of applied AI other than the robotics used in heavy industry . . suspect this will continue . . . so more and more independent ROVs will be constructed and used . . . Not comforting at all!!!!
 
That's the only interesting part of this discussion, George.On the one hand, as children entering the primary school process we have already mastered something which no programmer could program. We have learned to operate our own machine - our body. Everything achieved scholastically pales into insignificance compared with that...... miracle. And we all did THAT.Thirty years ago it all seemed just around the corner. Now "we" operate drones which can kill halfway round the world in the unspoken name of oil. Can't say I'm keen*. It certainly seems to beat the idea of robotic solar harvesters tending the whole Earth as a permacultural garden while feeding us all.Hail Skynet, the savior of the Earth!* I'm looking forward to the arrival of hardened soldier robots, with a steady aim and no concept of death, aren't you?
Drone Porn . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L8yldV53ic&sns=em
 
I'm not keen, but I must have watched them all.

Where's the porn, George? Surely, people are fascinated by murder to the last man. There wouldn't be such a plethora of crime novels otherwise. I reckon up close, personal, and real, (like muslim beheadings or western judicial executions) really is porn. Popping off oversupplied religious fanatics who can't wait to kill a white man in the name of the "prophet" isn't, especially when they are fully aware of what might happen to them.

The hypocrisy about murder (OK), death (not OK) and sex (not OK). THAT is porn. Do you agree?

I used to subscribe to RT but they swamped my screen with too much crap.

Did you ever see a BBC production (1971?) called "In the Year of the Sex Olympics"?
 
I'm not keen, but I must have watched them all.

Where's the porn, George? Surely, people are fascinated by murder to the last man. There wouldn't be such a plethora of crime novels otherwise. I reckon up close, personal, and real, (like muslim beheadings or western judicial executions) really is porn. Popping off oversupplied religious fanatics who can't wait to kill a white man in the name of the "prophet" isn't, especially when they are fully aware of what might happen to them.

The hypocrisy about murder (OK), death (not OK) and sex (not OK). THAT is porn. Do you agree?

I used to subscribe to RT but they swamped my screen with too much crap.

Did you ever see a BBC production (1971?) called "In the Year of the Sex Olympics"?

I didn't think much about the term . . . I just used RT's Tag for their YouTube . . . seems there is something seedy about watching people being obliterated by remote control . . .


US Dept. of Defense posts YouTube drone porn
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15,630 views

http://m.youtube.com/watch?sns=em&v=7L8yldV53ic&desktop_uri=/watch?v=7L8yldV53ic&sns=em


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No . . .
 
IMO . . . As an individual with many, many years of active duty military experience I cannot believe this is a good idea. Death and destruction should not be something done 12,000 miles away in the comfort of your secure bunker. Politicians make decision like this all the time. It is not me, my spouse, son or daughter so why not bomb them. This is just a few pixels on a screen not blood and bone.

Remindes me of Ender's Game . . .



Ender is brought to the simulator, with several IF commanders watching, and told by Mazer this is his final test. As the simulation starts, Ender finds his human fleet far-outnumbered by the Formic forces above a planet. Despite being told that it was against the rules, Ender sacrifices most of his fighters fleet to launch a Molecular Disruption Device at the planet, destroying the planet and the entire Formic fleet. Though Ender had anticipated that breaking the rules would mean he would be expelled from school, he discovers the IF commanders celebrating. Mazer returns, and informs Ender that this was not a simulation, but the actual IF contingent and the Formic main fleet at the Formic homeworld: Ender has just destroyed the Formic homeworld and committed xenocide of the Formics, ending the war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ender's_Game

Reception to the book has generally been positive, though some critics have denounced Card's perceived justification of his characters' violent actions.[3][4] It has also become suggested reading for many military organizations, including the United States Marine Corps.[5] Ender's Game won the 1985 Nebula Award for best novel[6] and the 1986 Hugo Award for best novel.[7] Its sequels, Ender in Exile, Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide, and Children of the Mind, follow Ender's subsequent travels to many different worlds in the galaxy. In addition, the later novella A War of Gifts and novel Ender's Shadow take place during the same time period as the original. Ender's Game has been adapted into two comic series.
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As an individual with many, many years of active duty military experience I cannot believe this is a good idea. Death and destruction should not be something done 12,000 miles away in the comfort of your secure bunker. Politicians make decision like this all the time. It is not me, my spouse, son or daughter so why not bomb them. This is just a few pixels on a screen not blood and bone.
Nor me. But it's happening and I don't suppose either of us are going to take steps to effect a change to it.

Remindes me of Ender's Game . . .
Ender is brought to the simulator, with several IF commanders watching, and told by Mazer this is his final test. As the simulation starts, Ender finds his human fleet far-outnumbered by the Formic forces above a planet. Despite being told that it was against the rules, Ender sacrifices most of his fighters fleet to launch a Molecular Disruption Device at the planet, destroying the planet and the entire Formic fleet. Though Ender had anticipated that breaking the rules would mean he would be expelled from school, he discovers the IF commanders celebrating. Mazer returns, and informs Ender that this was not a simulation, but the actual IF contingent and the Formic main fleet at the Formic homeworld: Ender has just destroyed the Formic homeworld and committed xenocide of the Formics, ending the war.
Missed it. There is only one English language bookshop I know of in the Canaries, and it specializes in potboilers.

Reception to the book has generally been positive, though some critics have denounced Card's perceived justification of his characters' violent actions.
It has also become suggested reading for many military organizations, including the United States Marine Corps.Ender's Game[/I] won the 1985 Nebula Award for best novel and the 1986 Hugo Award for best novel. Its sequels, Ender in Exile, Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide, and Children of the Mind, follow Ender's subsequent travels to many different worlds in the galaxy. In addition, the later novella A War of Gifts and novel Ender's Shadow take place during the same time period as the original. Ender's Game has been adapted into two comic series.
Phew. Thanks, George. I shall dig in when I can. I've slipped with my science fiction in the past quarter century.

"In the Year of the Sex Olympics" was a tale of a globe so severely overpopulated that TV was essential, to keep the majority housebound. Otherwise mass death and rioting in the streets. The program-makers discovered that watching a SINGLE couple up close and really personal (more or less invisible technology), without any of the trappings of modern civilization (ring any bells?), on a lonely secluded island, beat even the Sex Olympics, which up to then was the most popular program. So they watched the couple live through a mean barbarous year, with ratings declining ever so slightly. Then one executive had a brainwave... he introduced a psychopath to the island...

There would have been a marine in me, I'm sure. I failed entry for RAF fighter pilot (Hornchurch, Cranwell) er, a half century ago. Honor, duty, service. It still pisses me off. :)

Hey, I've just checked YT and it's there. Resplendant in black and white. And it was 1968. They say if you remember the sixties you weren't there. LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9NP5F9X2F8

and this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNCOA7rQtTc
 
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Nor me. But it's happening and I don't suppose either of us are going to take steps to effect a change to it.


Missed it. There is only one English language bookshop I know of in the Canaries, and it specializes in potboilers.


Phew. Thanks, George. I shall dig in when I can. I've slipped with my science fiction in the past quarter century.

"In the Year of the Sex Olympics" was a tale of a globe so severely overpopulated that TV was essential, to keep the majority housebound. Otherwise mass death and rioting in the streets. The program-makers discovered that watching a SINGLE couple up close and really personal (more or less invisible technology), without any of the trappings of modern civilization (ring any bells?), on a lonely secluded island, beat even the Sex Olympics, which up to then was the most popular program. So they watched the couple live through a mean barbarous year, with ratings declining ever so slightly. Then one executive had a brainwave... he introduced a psychopath to the island...

There would have been a marine in me, I'm sure. I failed entry for RAF fighter pilot (Hornchurch, Cranwell) er, a half century ago. Honor, duty, service. It still pisses me off. :)

Hey, I've just checked YT and it's there. Resplendant in black and white. And it was 1968. They say if you remember the sixties you weren't there. LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9NP5F9X2F8

and this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNCOA7rQtTc

Thanks Jazzy . . . Fiction has a way to open out eyes better than reality sometimes . . . it is surprisingly prophetic as well . . .
 
The ultimate video game . . . RPA (remotely piloted aircraft) scares the crap out of me!!


1. Threat of Hijacked Telemetry
2. Lack of accountability and maturity
3. Power of life and death in the hands of too few individuals
4. Weapon too easily used against political threats without warning



In a response to the dangers of insurgent warfare, Randolph AFB has assigned a new squadron that eventually will train more than 500 airmen annually to fly and operate remote-controlled aircraft.
Thursday's reactivation of “The Phantom Knights” — Randolph's 558th Flying Training Squadron — will make Randolph officially the Air Force's only site to offer undergraduate, or beginning, training in remotely piloted aircraft, or RPA. Training in a test program has been taking place for about 11/2 years there. Randolph officials are calling the move historic, since the squadron will train students on RPAs as their first aircraft and sensor operators entering their first career field. An RPA flight crew typically has one sensor operator responsible for controlling video, radar and weapons equipment. The new squadron will be the home of undergraduate training for the MQ-1 Predator, MQ-9 Reaper and RQ-4 Global Hawk drones.
The squadron now has about 60 students but expects 120 in 2011 and 150 in 2013, said Beverly Simas, spokeswoman with the training wing. The beginner courses run four weeks, with the instrument qualification course lasting 10 weeks. Simas said the Air Force prefers the abbreviation RPA to UAV — unmanned aerial vehicle. “There definitely are people running it. It's just that they're not on the aircraft,” she said.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/military/drone_training_coming_to_randolph_afb_94132999.html

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Takes place in Robert Ludlum's (he of the "Bourne" series) thriller novel, THE ARIES FACTOR.

Done already. :)

Seems we should be more concerned about uncontrolled humans with too much power and technology . . . computers becoming self aware and taking over is maybe not as important for quite some time . . . LoL!!
 
I certainly agree. Parasites are not evil, they simply are what they are. They live off the host, sometimes symbiotically, sometimes harmfully. Which are we currently doing to our host, Earth? Perhaps we can be like fleas and move to another planet.
 
I certainly agree. Parasites are not evil, they simply are what they are. They live off the host, sometimes symbiotically, sometimes harmfully. Which are we currently doing to our host, Earth? Perhaps we can be like fleas and move to another planet.
Dominate species tend to alter their environments . . .like elephants on the African savanna or the American Buffalo before thesettlement push west and overhunting decimated their numbers . . .
 
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