Anonymous Email from an aircraft mechanic (via twitter)

Belfrey

Senior Member.
New one on me.

Not very convincing,but it gave me a chuckle on a miserable day -

http://golden-rule.org/2012/11/21/an-anonymous-email-from-an-airline-mechanic/
I believe this was originally posted on Carnicom in 2000, although I'm having trouble finding the original (it's been reposted on many sites). Carnicom has also posted a sequel of sorts, supposedly from an airline manager.

It's also shown up on YouTube. Always seems funny to me to have video of text, but YT is the de facto medium of conspiracy theorists, so here you have it:
 

George B

Extinct but not forgotten Staff Member
New one on me.

Not very convincing,but it gave me a chuckle on a miserable day -

http://golden-rule.org/2012/11/21/an-anonymous-email-from-an-airline-mechanic/
This story has been around for quite some time . . . I think since at least 2009 . . . sounded like interesting fiction at the time or possibly true to people not sophisticated about aircraft maintenance . . . seems even if true the amount of aerosol would be so tiny as to be useless except for self replicating agents . . .

My question is . . . what is the motivation for such fiction . . . to produce a story that people will read and believe . . . how would you know how successful you were . . .?
 

George B

Extinct but not forgotten Staff Member
This story has been around for quite some time . . . I think since at least 2009 . . . sounded like interesting fiction at the time or possibly true to people not sophisticated about aircraft maintenance . . . seems even if true the amount of aerosol would be so tiny as to be useless except for self replicating agents . . .

My question is . . . what is the motivation for such fiction . . . to produce a story that people will read and believe . . . how would you know how successful you were . . .?
I did think about this at the time a bit . . . with homeland security how could this be done without too many maintenance and security people involved . . . I had experience with undercover OSI agents planted to uncover illegal drug activities in an organization I worked in . . . didn't know for ten years the personnel were plants . . . seems homeland security could bust something like was written about above unless they were part of the activity . . . obviously not very likely . . .
 

George B

Extinct but not forgotten Staff Member
The original, with some commentary, dates back to 2000, it's included on this Rense page dated 5/17/2000, along with some other posts saying it's bogus. the original single posts seems to have been removed.

http://rense.com/general/stumble.htm
I read the entire thing including comments . . . sounds like people felt at the time Cloverleaf was a real thing . . . did you read the comments from the alleged airline executive . . . if this was well known in 2000 . . . where are the follow-up observations . . . that would take world class intimidation to silence the leaks possible . . . ?
 

TWCobra

Senior Member.
Airline mechanics are specialists. They are rated and concentrate on one aspects of an aircraft only. In general these specialties are airframe, avionics, engines. An engine mechanic does not work on the airframe and vice versa. They are not qualified to do so. The "pecking order" does not exist.
 

MikeC

Closed Account
that's not necessarily true - it depends entirely on where and when you work.

My Aircraft Maintenance Engineers licence (AMEL) is in both airframes and engines, and although i didn't get any ratings before I "hit the office work" most "mechanical" LAME's (Licenced aircraft Maintenance engineers) in New Zealand and Australia would have airframe AND engine ratings if they were holding a Type II ICAO licence - that is a licence for maintenance.

Type I licences - for overhaul - are held by "shop specialists" and people would usually only have limited ratings for them.

so airframe OVERHAUL/REPAIR specialists would sometimes only have an airframe rating, but people carrying out the routine maintenace - inspection/test/replace - would have multiple ratings.

I don't know how the FAA maintenance licences works these days.

but even so the so-called testimony stil reads like rubbish to me. there was no such pecking order where I worked - people did have their favourite areas of the a/c to work on but knew the3y might be assigned to any part of an aircraft during a check. No-one liked toilets so therefore everyone got them occasionally to "share the load" (as it were!!) - especially aprentices!! :)

Edit to add: "spooks" - avionics engineers usually have their licence in 3 categories - electrical, radio and instrument
 

TWCobra

Senior Member.
Yeah thanks Mike, I knew some people were cross qualified by it is pretty arcane from a pilots point of view. Definitely no "pecking order" however. People work on what they are qualified to do.
 

MikeC

Closed Account
I don't know that it is all that arcane even from a pilot's pov - you'd have gotten to a 747 cockpit via smaller a/c that you still have ratings for - even if they are not current?

simlarly with an AMEL - although currency is not quite as strictly controlled - I used to work with guys who had ratings for engine/airframe of old and sometimes long forgotten types such as Bristol Freighter, Hastings, Viscount, Argosy, DC-8, Electra etc.
 

TWCobra

Senior Member.
Well as an airline pilot I only fly one type at a time. To go back to the 767 now would be a three month course even though I have 8000 hours on it.
 

MikeC

Closed Account
Yep - but being a mechanic is more about the principles of mechanics rather than the precise operating parameters of flight - which is why you would need retraining - a 767 handles differently from a 747, has a different layout, different climb rates, etc.

But a CF6 turbine disc disassembles in much the same was as a RR Dart disc does from a F-27 (probably not actually...but close enough for ilustration :)), and measuring the dimensions of the blades from either is done with the manual in front of you and is not a "real time" operation! Fits and clearances are measured the same way whether in a fuel pump or an undercarriage, and these days the electronic display on a 777 is possibly the same part number as that on a 737-800 so the spook does not actually need to know what a/c it is fitted to at all!

that said these days a licenced mechanic is required to be "famliiar" with any systems s/he is signing off as airworthy - which would mean that if you hadn't worked on a particular a/c type for some time then you should expect a refresher course - but that might be just a week or 2 depending on how long you had been away and how complex the a/c is.
 

Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
Oh no, we've been debunked, Madisonstar Moon knows the author personally (thank god, "he's alive and well and doing fine"), she even had the story verified by a mutual anonymous friend. It must be true, she says so herself. :)
http://www.facebook.com/ChemtrailCoverUp#!/madisonstar.moon/posts/337824466348294
Madisonstar Moon is lying.

She says she posted it a year ago, and maybe that is true, but did she wait thirteen years to do so?

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The truth is that was a fake story put out thirteen years ago.

http://rense.com/general/stumble.htm
 

Mick West

Administrator
Staff member
probably means you have been banned.


Axjnews Us We want to know everything.
Yesterday at 9:33am · 2

Amy Roscott I read this last year.
Yesterday at 11:05am · 3

Amy Roscott .... or was it the year before? Not sure.
Yesterday at 11:05am · 3

Michael DeMarco I also work at an airport and this is BS. I have dumped many lavatories and the only thing in them is shit. There are two hoses on the lav truck. One dumps the waste and the other pumps blue detergent through the system so the airplane doesn't smell like an out house. If I thought for a minute that the airline I work for is responsible for chemtrails I would quit on the spot.
Yesterday at 11:28am · 4

Michael DeMarco ...Also none of the static wicks have holes in them. But I live in Canada so maybe in other countries commercial aircraft are doing this. Here I believe it to be military aircraft.
Yesterday at 11:30am · 1

Axjnews Us So the military in Canada are killing us?
Yesterday at 11:32am

Michael DeMarco I don't think it's our military. We don't have the planes.
Yesterday at 11:33am

Madisonstar Moon Michael DeMarco You are full of shit! How dare you attempt to debunk my friend when he had the BALLS to come forward even anonymously.
22 hours ago · 2


Michael DeMarco I'm just stating that this is not the case at Ottawa airport and I should know having worked there for the last 15 years.
19 hours ago · 3

Michael DeMarco And I seriously doubt this story. If they were using lav trucks to supply the chemtrails the person using the lav truck would know.
19 hours ago

Michael DeMarco Also it is very suspicious that he never mentions the type of aircraft he is working on.
18 hours ago

Michael DeMarco Even more suspicious is that your "friend" won't give his name. If "they" were watching him, how did he get this info out without being fired or killed?
18 hours ago · 1

Michael DeMarco Madisonstar Moon, claiming that this person is your friend when you just found this on the internet like the rest of us is doing the cause no service.
18 hours ago · 1

Patti Allen ...i read a similar story years ago...it seems possible an activist took that story and 'personalized' it. One thing for sure is, as expensive as patents are, they must be real. And as secret as these have been kept<OSHA violations?>; there has to be s...See More
18 hours ago · 2

Edward Tan Referring strictly to the writing style, it reads like fiction. Bad fiction.
18 hours ago · 2

Madisonstar Moon OK Michael DeMarco I am glad that this story is so impressive you can't possibly believe that I know the person that wrote it but I do and the fact that it is unbelievable to you makes me happy. Get a grip and stop attacking the messenger. You don't know me at all so how can you claim to know who I know?
17 hours ago


Madisonstar Moon Now that I see all the haters on this post and debunkers I have no desire to continue sharing my stuff with you guys. Continue on hating and I will continue BLASTING the truth to anyone who will listen.
17 hours ago · 1


Edward Tan There are numerous red flags. One of the more obvious ones is that you begin with a contradiction. You tell us that not one but two people know him, and then he tells us that he can't divulge his identity. Immediately, there is a loss of credibility.
16 hours ago · Edited · 1

Edward Tan Right off the bat, the intro has all the hallmarks of deception. In real life, the person just being a friend is enough. In this case, the writer doesn't believe it, so they subconsciously prop it up by creating another person. Immediate red flag. The ...See More
17 hours ago · 1

Michael DeMarco I am not a debunker. Chemtrails are real, your post is fiction.
16 hours ago · 2

Michelle Province If I were the mechanic, there's no way I would give my name out. In case you haven't noticed, Edward, folks are disappearing and found murdered after speaking out for less. Perhaps Anonymous just wants to spread the word without losing his/her life.
3 hours ago via mobile

Edward Tan I have noticed that Michelle. I knew several of them personally. Still, this story is fiction and that the person that posted it is a liar, a liar with an attitude.
3 hours ago

Michelle Province Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
3 hours ago via mobile

Michael Fredrickson This is a pretty old story that has been around the block many times. I'm guessing 2 years...
3 hours ago

Edward Tan Lies cannot be written off as opinion.
2 hours ago

Michelle Province Until you come up with hard proof, it's only your opinion.
2 hours ago via mobile

Edward Tan I already shared the proof, Michelle. One red flag is usually enough to tell the whole story and in this case we have several in the first two sentences alone.
2 hours ago

Michael Fredrickson There can be some truth intermingled here.They are obviously doing something in the hangars.
2 hours ago · 1

Michelle Province Edward, I only see your opinions, no proof. I don't think you understand the definition of proof. I don't personally know the writer so I cannot truly side either way, but I'm also not fighting so hard to disprove as you are. What's your agenda here? I see just as many red flags coming from you.
2 hours ago via mobile

Cherie Martin What difference does it make whether the technical aspects of the story are precisely accurate or not? The aircrap is being sprayed from planes. Who with eyes can disagree that this is happening?
2 hours ago · 1

Michelle Province Amen, Cherie. My thoughts exactly.
2 hours ago via mobile

Edward Tan Michelle, it's proof to some people, for example people that are well versed in writing or people that are well versed in deception. Things that you might not notice really stand out to me.
2 hours ago

Cherie Martin The contaminants that fall to the ground or are captured in the air from air samples have been tested and identified. These toxins are making people sick. They are destroying vegetation, trees, and soil. We can see the crap coming off the wings. The inner workings of the mechanics is nice to now but not essential as proof. We already have the proof.
2 hours ago · 1

Cherie Martin via Andy Thrasher: "Every night, here in Colorado around 1-3am there will be some chem dumping jets that pass over. When the stuff hits ground, I will always be stirred up from my sleep - tasting METAL, and parched without fail. So proceed onto when I ...See More
2 hours ago · 1

Michelle Province Every time I have the same exact symptoms, without fail, I wake to find the sky completely effed and my car covered in tiny sticky globules.
2 hours ago via mobile · 1

Cherie Martin I have never experienced that in my location, although the spraying has proceeded nonstop since 1997.
2 hours ago

Edward Tan I made no comment about the technical aspects of the story. As fiction, it's mostly harmless. My problem is with how it's presented.

It hurts all of us when someone comes to this page and starts making stuff up. In this case we're talking about an ...See More
2 hours ago

Cherie Martin Where is the proof that the story is made up? Several images have been posted on the net that more or less depict the same thing the anonymous author is speaking of.
2 hours ago

Edward Tan It's in the writing, Cherie. A well trained writer can easily see that the entire story is fiction.
2 hours ago

Edward Tan A person that's making up a story has different priorities than a person that is relating personal experience, which also explains why the person that originally posted this reacted so emphatically to being called out on it. When you know you are telling the truth, you tend to care a lot less about what other people think.
2 hours ago
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Cairenn

Senior Member.
Any bets on that Michele parks under a tree? and that Cherie doesn't recognize cottonwood fluff?
 

Soulfly

Banned
Banned
Madisonstar Moon is having her integrity questioned at the Global Skywatch Facebook page. Her reaction is priceless.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/globalskywatch/permalink/10153030219105302/
Why do I get the feeling that if some how chemtrailers took over, that we would most definitely end up living in a police state? Maybe because of statements like this.
NOTE: In this group, you will not be irritated by people who claim that chemtrails don't exist. We know they exist and we ban chemtrail deniers, debunkers, debators, or disinformers.
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Jay Reynolds

Senior Member.
Not a none of them bothered to take a few words out of that and google it? They could have immediately found that what she claims is new is actually thirteen years old. The Edward Tan fellow can tell just by the way it reads that it has holes, and the honey truck guy knows quite certainly it's not him.

Why are so many so gullible, they seem curious, but never bother to check things out by a simple google. Spoon fed by handlers and abusers.
 
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M Bornong

Senior Member.
Not a none of them bothered to take a few words out of that and google it? They could have immediately found that what she claims is new is actually thirteen years old. The Edward Tan fellow can tell just by the way it reads that it has holes, and the honey truck guy knows quite certainly i's not him.

Why are so many so gullible, they seem curious, but never bother to check things out by a simple google. Spoon fed by handlers and abusers.

https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/...=10153034717405302&offset=0&total_comments=44

Edward Tan has now directed them to Carnicoms site and pointed out it is 13 years ago. Several are now calling for Edward's banishment from the group.

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JRBids

Senior Member.
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FOrgot to point out the second comment from the bottom. "those fuckers will all die."
 
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HappyMonday

Moderator
Eugh, that whole self-congratulation about their group-think and refusal to hear other views makes me shudder, it's really creepy.

[...] Exactly why I'm taking a break from spreading the word to these closed shop FB and Twitter communities. The block button is essentially 1984's memory hole.
 
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Mick West

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Please try to avoid personal attacks, even when it comes to Facebook posters. Discussion should tend towards analyzing claims, not people - unless the person makes specific claims about themselves.

 
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Hama Neggs

Senior Member.
Wow... just, wow....

These people seem to epitomize what they claim to be against. It's a bizarro world of reverse-speak and reverse-think. They somehow justify outright lying in their 'war' against, er... whatever it is they think they are fighting. This is why it's nearly impossible to talk sense into them.
 

Mick West

Administrator
Staff member
This is why it's nearly impossible to talk sense into them.

Which is why we should not try, as it just descends into a mud slinging match. Instead focus on simply exposing their inaccuracies in a way that would reach the most people possible.

Don't try to talk sense into them, just talk sense.
 

Cairenn

Senior Member.
My posts were still there, I didn't try to tell them that chemtrails don't exsist, I just pointed to some facts about a couple of concerns there. Sometimes that works to start knocking out small supports, like' "trees are dying' and they link it to chemtrails, instead I use their own link to show that it is climate change and the conditions that comes from that.
 

HappyMonday

Moderator
Please try to avoid personal attacks, even when it comes to Facebook posters. Discussion should tend towards analyzing claims, not people - unless the person makes specific claims about themselves.


Fair point. Mildly infringing post edited.
 
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