1. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member


    This article starts out praising the usefulness of YouTube, then has a brief diversion in YouTube videos as evidence of Satanic Abuse, and then changes into something that I can't tell if it's rejecting or supporting the the Flat Earth hypothesis:

    https://www.rt.com/op-edge/316642-youtube-art-investigation-research/ http://archive.is/ntPJR
    At first I couldn't figure out if he thinks the Earth is flat or not.

    The writer, Sam Gerrans, has a complicated web site and ebook dedicated to his personal interpretation of the Quran. His other articles on RT^ are largely socially conservative, nationalistic and pro Russia opinion pieces.

    His articles on his blog are something different:
    https://www.quranite.com/flat-earth-quran/ (http://archive.is/z2ZTK)
    So he does believe the Earth is flat. Eric Dubay and Jeranism are two of the most shared promoters of the Flat Earth theory - and Rowbotham is the 19th Century originator of many of the more ridiculous claims of evidence they still use today.

    So what's going on? Does RT just have really lax editorial standards? Is this just like a blog that happens to be hosted on RT? Or does RT actually approve of these articles written by and eccentric muslim Flat Earther? Are they simply promoting different voices, or is there some broader goal in promoting conspiracy theories as extreme as Flat Earth?
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  2. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    The author of the RT article, Sam Geerans, also say the Quran predicts "Chemtrails"

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t4IvTzeIdo

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  3. deirdre

    deirdre Moderator Staff Member

    it sounds to me, by his wording, that he believes the earth is flat. btw..
    just for point of reference from someone who understands very little 'complicated science', the tilt thing is not hard at all to understand!

    But ultimately the "article" is under "Op-Edge".

    so it is definitely an opinion piece. Russia is very proud of their space program. Perhaps the paper concluded, wrongly.. imo, he decided the earth is not Flat. or they are just trying to get conspiracy theorists -or Russian young citizens who are doubting THEIR gov - more on board with RT so they will believe RT's other bunk.

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  4. Auldy

    Auldy Senior Member

    RT is just doing what it does best: dividing Americans, right?
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  5. Trailspotter

    Trailspotter Senior Member

    I do not read or watch RT, so my comment may be off topic. Could it be that the RT opinion piece in OP simply reflects on the American news?

    Today on the BBC News site that I do visit regularly, the most watched piece is

    The FE supporters worldwide become noticeable. Yesterday I spotted a few of their comments to another BBC piece on the Venus and Jupiter conjunction:
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  6. Rory

    Rory Senior Member

    Nice little film, that. Definitely mocking in tone, but gentle enough not to be offensive. :)
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  7. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    It seems that way at first glance, however the writer of the piece does actually claim to be a believer in a Quran inspired Flat Earth, as well as Quran inspired chemtrails, and probably the whole raft of other theories. He's toned it down a bit for RT, but it's clear after reading his other work (on his blog and Youtube channel) that when he said
    That he actually thought he found was was on a fixed plane in the center of things.

    This kind of reminds me of Abby Martin, one of their more well known presenters on RT TV. When RT recruited her in 2012 she was a solid 9/11 Controlled Demolition Truther.

    Of course this guy is more extreme in his pseudoscience.

    RT has also used Veteran's Today (a "jews did it, and everything is fake" general conspiracy site masquerading as an actual Veteran-related news site) as a source several times. In fact Sam Gerrans references VT as an example of a US site that supports Russia:
    The question here, likely unanswerable, is to what extent is this just poor journalistic standards on RT's part, and to what extent is it the result of an active measures subversion agenda?
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  8. FatEarther

    FatEarther New Member

    There's your answer right there Mick.
  9. FlightMuj

    FlightMuj Active Member

    @FatEarther I think this is the complete sentence.
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  10. Mick West

    Mick West Administrator Staff Member

    Indeed, but that's from his blog, my point was the RT article was ambiguous - like he was slipping it by the editors.
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  11. OTACHI

    OTACHI New Member

    I know this guy called Sam Gerrans,i know him for some Islam related stuff,i think he is [...] making his own version of Islam and wild claims.
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  12. Atomic Nixon

    Atomic Nixon New Member

    Seeing as the entire US media and much of the international has bought the whole "Russia hacked the DNC" narrative without question I won't stare too hard at this. What I find much more harmful is their anti-GMO position and specifically their anti-glyphosate propagandizing. This doesn't set them apart from their western comrades either.
  13. Vostok

    Vostok New Member

    As someone who checks out both RT and Sputnik international on a regular bases to see how things look on the other side of the fence, I'd say there's a fat chance of either supporting a flat earth.

    To be specific, at least in Sputnik's case, it releases a lot of click-bait articles about UFOs and the like, but always directs the article to a scientific explanation or an official statement.

    Regarding RT, well, as it was already pointed out that the article was opinion. Enough said.

    And in a wider context, both outlets have no shortage of articles boasting about the Soviet space race contribution and the various milestones. It doesn't make too much sense for them to suddenly start a flat earth campaign, especially if their mission is, as most in the west put it, to push the position of the Kremlin.

    As a final note. the Opinion articles I've seen on both RT and Sputnik are quite diverse in their expressed views. Naturally you get some that advocate some religious message, others do the opposite. Some praise the Russians, and on occasion, some condemn them.

    Some links to related articles:
    - https://www.rt.com/news/405678-flat-earth-theory-space-video/
    - https://www.rt.com/uk/410845-earth-flat-flintoff-conspiracy/
    - https://sputniknews.com/art_living/201502191018464253/

    The language in these articles that are actually published by the outlet tell a different story. They use phrases like "Ridiculous remarks" when referring to certain unscientific views. But make of it what you will.
  14. Mtumzima

    Mtumzima New Member

    i still can't believe that there are people who believe the earth is flat, like really?
  15. Trailspotter

    Trailspotter Senior Member

    Whether you can believe or not, it's a fact :mad: