1. div

    div New Member

    So was watching latest Luis Elizondo on Tucker Carlson Tonight where they randomly showed this recent UFO clip:
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    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8NbyVzXoqc


    from news article: "Guy took the footage while crossing the Pamlico Sound from Ocracoke Island to the mainland."
    so location is here: https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1530481,-76.3930273,100887m

    looks like there is only 1 path from island (point is just a my guess of the filming location)
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    and guy is looking to the left side of ferry, so the closest coast to the left is 17miles away
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    lets take a closer look at this coast ...
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    some strange objects, what are they?

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    oh, it's military bombing range...

    some info about this place:
     
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  2. Z.W. Wolf

    Z.W. Wolf Senior Member

    Illumination flares dropped by military aircraft or fired by artillery or on rockets. Each is on a parachute.
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    Presented as a non-mystery by military personnel


    Presented as a non-mystery by an amateur astronomer. These appear to be rockets.




    Examples of flares presented as mystery objects by naive witnesses:

    These are being dropped by aircraft and are bigger and longer lasting than the artillery deployed flares.



    These are illumination flares in South Africa. Many miles away so they appear red due to Rayleigh scattering.
     
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  3. Z.W. Wolf

    Z.W. Wolf Senior Member

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  4. scombrid

    scombrid Senior Member

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  5. Z.W. Wolf

    Z.W. Wolf Senior Member

    In this kind of case, here are some typical objections.

    These aren't flares because:

    They're stationary/they're just hovering motionless.
    There's no smoke trails. You always see smoke trails.
    They're in formation and the formation doesn't change. The wind would blow them around in front of each other.

    It has to be realized that there are different types of illuminating flares.

    Relatively small flares:

    -Hand held rockets
    -80 mm mortar rounds
    -120 mm mortar rounds

    Large flares:
    -dropped by aircraft.

    These large flares are many times the size and many times brighter than than those above. They are ejected at high altitude. They can be seen for many miles. At that distance, smoke trails are not visible, a rate of descent of 8 feet/sec is not noticeable, the effect of wind drift is not noticeable. They are much farther apart than the smaller flares so drift doesn't affect their relative positions to one another nearly as much.

    Hand held rockets:


    80 mm mortar:


    120mm mortar:


    With all of these smaller flares you do see motion and smoke trails.


    One other thing. Aircraft also eject small countermeasure flares:


    Completely different thing from illuminating flares


    Countermeasure flares presented as mystery objects by naive witness:



    Identified by knowledgeable witness:
     
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  6. Agent K

    Agent K Active Member

    You buried the lede.

     
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  7. scombrid

    scombrid Senior Member

    Thanks. I should have elaborated more in my post. There are people that live across the river from Piney Island Range. They had a much closer view of the flares than the guy filming from the ferry >20 km away and that little local paper had a picture and explanation.