Illuminati symbolism and numerology, like in the olympics

Any actual facts in any of that that you can clearly identify for me - 'cos all I see is post hoc rationalization, begging het question and well poisoning to construct an argument by assertion and inference.
 
sure - and I know that a circle is not the same shape as an eye, and I know that a "triangle" with wavy sides is not the same shape as a triangle with straight ones.

I also know that the "triangle" was formerly the site of a F1 racetrack, that was itself built on a road racing circuit in 1971, and the road racing circuit was built in 1964 in reclaimed marshland.

so are you suggesting eth illuminati started planning this in the early 1960's in order to highlight their existence in 2016?
 
Let me take the game first. I happen to know Steve Jackson, he is a game designer who lives in Austin. (In fact he had his home flooded in recent storm there). He based it on a set of books. He just an average guy, not a wealthy man, not a member of the Illuminati.


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Illuminati: The Game of Conspiracy is a tabletop card game designed by Steve Jackson in the 1980s. Each player takes the role of a secret society vying for world domination (e.g. the titular Illuminati) and plays with various cards that take comical looks at conspiracy theory memes beloved by the tinfoil hat brigade: subliminal messages, Templars and so forth. The game was inspired by the Illuminatus! Trilogy books, written by Robert Shea and Robert Wilson in the mid-1970s.


This is based largely around two cards in particular. One, titled Terrorist Nuke, shows two skyscrapers resembling (in the way any grey blocks would) the World Trade Center, one of which is exploding in roughly the same place that it was hit by the plane in real life. The other is titled Pentagon, and shows the building in flames. Although admittedly striking, Occam's Razor says coincidence.[2] (Also, the Terrorist Nuke is from the 1995 Illuminati: New World Order trading card game, and the WTC has been already the subject of a terrorist bombing attack in 1993.)

There is also the fact that the World Trade Center was destroyed by two aeroplanes, not a nuke, but this didn't stop Cutting Edge: "One can only ask: was a micro-nuclear device used at the base of the Twin Towers as well? That kind of small, but nuclear, explosion would account for the sudden manner the reinforced concrete and steel shell simply crumbled into dust as it fell."[1] An "ex-Satanist" claims that the broken fuselage and wing-tips of an aeroplane can be seen in the drawing,[3] but the grey chunks could just as easily be bits of the building.[ex/]


http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Illuminati_(game)
 
MikeC said:
sure - and I know that a circle is not the same shape as an eye, and I know that a "triangle" with wavy sides is not the same shape as a triangle with straight ones.

I also know that the "triangle" was formerly the site of a F1 racetrack, that was itself built on a road racing circuit in 1971, and the road racing circuit was built in 1964 in reclaimed marshland.

so are you suggesting eth illuminati started planning this in the early 1960's in order to highlight their existence in 2016?
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You can clearly see a triangle with an illuminating eye above it. This is illuminati symbolism. The new world order is happening in front of us. The masses are losing their money our rights and freedoms are being taken away and we are being monitored more than ever.
 
It's not an eye - it is a stadium. and if you use the conventional north=top arrangement then the triangle points DOWN - so the stadium is below it.

It is only illuminati symbolism if you buy into it being illuminati symbolism. Otherwise it is a stadium at the end of a bit of land.

did you mean to address any of the FACTS I posted at all??
 
Cairenn said:
Let me take the game first. I happen to know Steve Jackson, he is a game designer who lives in Austin. (In fact he had his home flooded in recent storm there). He based it on a set of books. He just an average guy, not a wealthy man, not a member of the Illuminati.


External Quote:
Illuminati: The Game of Conspiracy is a tabletop card game designed by Steve Jackson in the 1980s. Each player takes the role of a secret society vying for world domination (e.g. the titular Illuminati) and plays with various cards that take comical looks at conspiracy theory memes beloved by the tinfoil hat brigade: subliminal messages, Templars and so forth. The game was inspired by the Illuminatus! Trilogy books, written by Robert Shea and Robert Wilson in the mid-1970s.


This is based largely around two cards in particular. One, titled Terrorist Nuke, shows two skyscrapers resembling (in the way any grey blocks would) the World Trade Center, one of which is exploding in roughly the same place that it was hit by the plane in real life. The other is titled Pentagon, and shows the building in flames. Although admittedly striking, Occam's Razor says coincidence.[2] (Also, the Terrorist Nuke is from the 1995 Illuminati: New World Order trading card game, and the WTC has been already the subject of a terrorist bombing attack in 1993.)

There is also the fact that the World Trade Center was destroyed by two aeroplanes, not a nuke, but this didn't stop Cutting Edge: "One can only ask: was a micro-nuclear device used at the base of the Twin Towers as well? That kind of small, but nuclear, explosion would account for the sudden manner the reinforced concrete and steel shell simply crumbled into dust as it fell."[1] An "ex-Satanist" claims that the broken fuselage and wing-tips of an aeroplane can be seen in the drawing,[3] but the grey chunks could just as easily be bits of the building.[ex/]


http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Illuminati_(game)
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Did he used to work for the CIA?
I don't know maybe the nuke stands for nuclear thermite? Also George Green talks about this game in this video .. http://www.youtube.com/watchv=sG3Gsi_ivqU you'll hear him talking about China ruling the world, well today there was an article in one of our newspapers ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-defining-fact-age--West-doesnt-like-it.html
 
MikeC said:
It's not an eye - it is a stadium. and if you use the conventional north=top arrangement then the triangle points DOWN - so the stadium is below it.

It is only illuminati symbolism if you buy into it being illuminati symbolism. Otherwise it is a stadium at the end of a bit of land.

did you mean to address any of the FACTS I posted at all??
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It looks absolutely nothing like what I've pointed out. Unless I'm looking at the wrong thing. post a link if you can to what I'm supposed to be looking at. So your saying that the Olympic park is just a normal stadium and looks nothing like illuminati Symbolism? There is just no convincing some people.
 
lemonman said:
It looks absolutely nothing like what I've pointed out. Unless I'm looking at the wrong thing. post a link if you can to what I'm supposed to be looking at. So your saying that the Olympic park is just a normal stadium and looks nothing like illuminati Symbolism? There is just no convincing some people.
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Here's your message that you said was illuminati symbolism:

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/il...gy-like-in-the-olympics.713/page-6#post-77993

and here is a google image search for "brazil Olympic park"

Did I miss anything?
 
lemonman said:
There is just no convincing some people.
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You are right. No matter how much the site differs from the "actual" illuminati symbolism or what the history of the site is you have already woven it into your version of the illuminati myth and nothing will change your mind. There's only so much the designers can do when they are given a triangular piece of land as the development site. Sounds like you are already convinced about the card game as well.
 
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lemonman said:
Did he used to work for the CIA?
I don't know maybe the nuke stands for nuclear thermite? Also George Green talks about this game in this video .. http://www.youtube.com/watchv=sG3Gsi_ivqU you'll hear him talking about China ruling the world, well today there was an article in one of our newspapers ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-defining-fact-age--West-doesnt-like-it.html
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There is no such thing as nuclear thermite, and the fact that a conspiracy theorist talks about is meaningless.

I really doubt if Steve ever worked for the CIA, he struck me more as an ex hippy. In Fact I know him as Baron Bryn Gwlad. Not quite an CIA agent.
 
China won't rule the world any more than the British Empire or the Roman Empire or American capital-imperialism did.

they will be the most powerful nation for a while - people will seek to emulate them, people will seek to make money out of them emigrate there "for the better life" or similar. They will sometimes be aggressive towards neighbors, seek to impose policies that favour them, etc.

so in fact the only thing that will change is who is top dog - and as the article says, it wont' be "the west" and it should be little wonder that "the west" doesn't like it.

Tough - times change. Get used to it.
 
It will be a long time before China catches up to us and to the West. I remember when folks were worried about Japan in the same way. I would not be surprised to see India come to the fore front soon.
 
Japan BECAME part of the West - and was always too small to actually supercede anyone.

China isn't going to become part of "the west", and has massive potential for growth.

"A long time" might well be within my children's lifetime IMO.
 
MikeC said:
Japan BECAME part of the West - and was always too small to actually supercede anyone.

China isn't going to become part of "the west", and has massive potential for growth.

"A long time" might well be within my children's lifetime IMO.
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If I remember correctly the countries that were going to either buy or supercede the west in my lifetime were in order The Arab Oil Sheikdoms (Oil Money - This may have only been a concern in Panama City Florida), Japan (better education, superior work ethic), The Four Asian Tigers (superior work ethic), India (massive population, superior work ethic) and China (massive population, superior work ethic). I think China has the greatest potential to become the largest economy on the planet simply because of its size and population. They have grown dramatically in the last 20 years but they have done it at the expense of their environment. This may come back to haunt them when the population gets tired of drinking polluted water and breathing brown air. I also wouldn't count the Russians out. There is a lot of potential the country if they ever decide really exploit it.
 
Cairenn said:
In Fact I know him as Baron Bryn Gwlad.
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I'm going to assume the SCA as opposed to the CIA. Although if he is SCA then there may be a Knights Templar link. This would lead us back to the Freemasons and through them to the Illuminati and possibly the reptoids. The hippie in armor thing is a good cover.
 
Bill said:
I think China has the greatest potential to become the largest economy on the planet simply because of its size and population. They have grown dramatically in the last 20 years but they have done it at the expense of their environment. This may come back to haunt them when the population gets tired of drinking polluted water and breathing brown air.
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They have also imported a great deal of resource - most of Australia's mineral boom goes to China - and the Chinese are very astute at buying resources - they are currently spending a lot of money in agricultural nations - buying farms where they can such as in New Zealand, access to oil and minerals in the Mid-east and Africa.

They actually seem to have a strategy for expansion - I see nothing comparable from India, and Russia seems set on trying to figure out whether or not Putin's next title is going to be Tsar of all the Russia's.
 
The SCA is not linked to anything from the past. It started as birthday party/end of school/going away party for a class at Berkley. They had discussed the 'last tournament' that was held in Victorian England. This being the 60s, they decided to hold a new 'last tournament. Poul Anderson was in the class or connected to it. His daughter was getting married later that summer in a park and she decided on a medieval theme. Marion Zimmer Bradley was trying to reserve a park and they asked her for the name of the group. She came up with Society for Creative Anachronism. Never let a budding SF/fantasy writer name your organization. Other folks that were involved in the early days were Diane Paxson, Bjo and John Trimble (she did the letter writing campaign that saved Star Trek, Katherine Kurtz, and David D Friedman (the son of Milton Friedman and known himself for radical theories). The SCA is about as anti establishment as group can be.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_D._Friedman
 
Cairenn said:
The SCA is not linked to anything from the past. It started as birthday party/end of school/going away party for a class at Berkley. They had discussed the 'last tournament' that was held in Victorian England. This being the 60s, they decided to hold a new 'last tournament. Poul Anderson was in the class or connected to it. His daughter was getting married later that summer in a park and she decided on a medieval theme. Marion Zimmer Bradley was trying to reserve a park and they asked her for the name of the group. She came up with Society for Creative Anachronism. Never let a budding SF/fantasy writer name your organization. Other folks that were involved in the early days were Diane Paxson, Bjo and John Trimble (she did the letter writing campaign that saved Star Trek, Katherine Kurtz, and David D Friedman (the son of Milton Friedman and known himself for radical theories). The SCA is about as anti establishment as group can be.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_D._Friedman
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I'm yanking your chain. My brother-in-law and sister-in-law are active in Phoenix.
 
MikeC said:
China won't rule the world any more than the British Empire or the Roman Empire or American capital-imperialism did.

they will be the most powerful nation for a while - people will seek to emulate them, people will seek to make money out of them emigrate there "for the better life" or similar. They will sometimes be aggressive towards neighbors, seek to impose policies that favour them, etc.

so in fact the only thing that will change is who is top dog - and as the article says, it wont' be "the west" and it should be little wonder that "the west" doesn't like it.

Tough - times change. Get used to it.
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There is just no convincing some people is there.
 
Bill said:
You are right. No matter how much the site differs from the "actual" illuminati symbolism or what the history of the site is you have already woven it into your version of the illuminati myth and nothing will change your mind. There's only so much the designers can do when they are given a triangular piece of land as the development site. Sounds like you are already convinced about the card game as well.
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As I say, there is no convincing some people. Despite the fact that David Rockefeller has admitted that he wants a one world government. It's still a "conspiracy theory" The same symbols, signs and Tattoos appear again and again in the media month after month. So your saying that the Olympic stadium looks nothing like the sign on the back of the one dollar bill? Some things involved with the NWO are easier to see than other things. Such as the dumbing down of society. You can see this just by switching on your tv or looking into any magazine.
 
Cairenn said:
There is no such thing as nuclear thermite, and the fact that a conspiracy theorist talks about is meaningless.

I really doubt if Steve ever worked for the CIA, he struck me more as an ex hippy. In Fact I know him as Baron Bryn Gwlad. Not quite an CIA agent.
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So, in other words you don't know if he did or not. Why not just say that. Well, I don't know what it stands for but it's very strange don't you think?
 
lemonman said:
As I say, there is no convincing some people.
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Not without actual evidence. So far all you have provided is innuendo and supposition. The reclaimed site of the Olympic park is on a triangular spit of land that needed redevelopment. Its shape was predefined by development that took place in the 1960's. It follows that the resulting Olympic Park would be triangular. When you look at the proposals from the different project management firms you'll see that they are all variations on a theme driven by the shape of the land and the functional requirements of the park. They all use the apexes in various ways because apexes provide a natural focus. If you are going to see symbolism in one of the most common shapes around or every time someone covers on eye in a picture then you are going to see connections everywhere that reinforce your beliefs. Even if the connections don't really exist. To paraphrase the old adage " sometimes a triangle is just a triangle".
 
lemonman said:
Yes the link you posted was to a wikipidea page with some kind of blury image that looks absolutely nothing like the picture I posted.
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Neither of the links I posted was to a wiki page.

One was a google image search. the other was your own post here on MB.

If you mistake either of those for Wikipedia it is no wonder you are having trouble with evidence!!:rolleyes::cool:
 
MikeC said:
Neither of the links I posted was to a wiki page.

One was a google image search. the other was your own post here on MB.

If you mistake either of those for Wikipedia it is no wonder you are having trouble with evidence!!:rolleyes::cool:
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Read my comment again.
 
Shall we a
Bill said:
Not without actual evidence. So far all you have provided is innuendo and supposition. The reclaimed site of the Olympic park is on a triangular spit of land that needed redevelopment. Its shape was predefined by development that took place in the 1960's. It follows that the resulting Olympic Park would be triangular. When you look at the proposals from the different project management firms you'll see that they are all variations on a theme driven by the shape of the land and the functional requirements of the park. They all use the apexes in various ways because apexes provide a natural focus. If you are going to see symbolism in one of the most common shapes around or every time someone covers on eye in a picture then you are going to see connections everywhere that reinforce your beliefs. Even if the connections don't really exist. To paraphrase the old adage " sometimes a triangle is just a triangle".
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Shall we agree to disagree on this? As I say, sometimes there is no convincing people.
 
When someone sees something that is not there, because of the bias of their own thinking, there is no way someone that doesn't share your belief will agree with you.
 
lemonman said:
Shall we a

Shall we agree to disagree on this? As I say, sometimes there is no convincing people.
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Let me try explaining things to you in a different way Lemon. You're missing a few very important and key points to your argument that the image you see is an Illuminati symbol. If you truly want to convince these guys here that what you're saying is true, then you need to apply the Scientific Method. I'm not sure if you're familiar with it or not, but if you're not I will explain it very briefly. There are six steps in the Method:

1. Ask a Question - fairly straightforward.. is this a symbol of the Illuminati?

2. Do background research: This means find all the information you can get your hands on that relate to your question.. in this case, the symbol(s) of the Illuminati. Find what what they are, what they're used for, where they're used and why (among a great many other things).

3. Construct a Hypothesis: A hypothesis is a proposed explanation of a phenomenon or event, which can be tested (not in all cases, but it applies to this particular one)

4. Test the Hypothesis: This step and the next two steps is what's being asked of you..

5. Analyze your data AND form a conclusion. Part of the frustration you're seeing, is that you're jumping straight to the conclusion without any data at ALL, other than a few websites and pictures. There's not really anything there other than opinion (yours or others).. and I'll show you in a moment why that causes frustration.

6. Communicate your results: This also appears to be an area you're having some issue with, but most of that has to do with steps 4 and 5 not being completed.

The following is an example of what's going on and why. I am going to prove to you that I am the POTUS (President of the United States) in much the same way you are trying to say that the Illuminati are trying to tell us they're here and are ready to take over the world.

My forum name, is Norwegian. It means Black Bear. Norway was under the control of the Nazis in WWII, and the Nazis were a Fascist State. The Bear has been a symbol of Russia since the 17th Century, and as we all know the Russians became a Socialist Republic, which in itself was a Fascist Dictatorship. Black is a representation of the shadowy nature in which I run the country, in an attempt to turn the US into a Communist/Socialist republic, as well as the color of my skin.
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Now... you have no choice but to accept that what I say is true. If anyone asks me to prove that I am who I am, all I have to do is turn around and say "but I just told you who I am and the proof is in my explanation" and the conversation goes around and around and around and around in circles. In reality, its just a bunch of conclusions drawn from inferences and forced to fit inside a mold because I want it to be true.

Dont misunderstand, Im not knocking you for your belief in the Illuminati.. I have an open mind, if you can provide actual unbiased evidence that they exist, then as a scientist I will test your hypothesis myself and if I come to the same results and conclusions you come to, then I will agree. If, on the other hand, I come to any conclusion OTHER than the results/conclusions you come to, then I will state that your hypothesis is incorrect. This doesnt mean that you are wrong.. it means that your hypothesis needs to be reworked, and retested.

This is what everyone who has responded to your post has been asking you to do.. but you havent provided any evidence to prove your hypothesis. You have provided youtube videos, pictures, links etc.. but no actual evidence. No "smoking gun" as it were.

There's another precept Id like you to get familiar with as well, it is something that several posters have tried to help you understand, and it is called Occam's Razor. Occam's Razor, in the most simple terms, means: With all things being equal, the most simple solution is most often the correct solution. In reality, Occam's Razor is a LOT more complicated.. but the definition I gave you is the Reader's Digest version.

So with that in mind, let's take a look at your hypothesis. What is more likely?

1) A shadowy world wide organization comprised of hundreds of thousands of people secretly plotting to take over the world use hidden symbols and messages to communicate their presence to the entire world instead of just stepping up and saying "Hi.. we're the Illuminati, all your base are belong to us."

OR

2) Someone got a really cheap piece of land (relatively speaking) and decided to make something unique on it?

I'll let you answer that one for yourself. Look back over your posts, over everything youve said in regards to your hypothesis. Which of the six steps of the Scientific Method is incorrect? Is it your hypothesis, your method of testing, your conclusion, your communication of the conclusion or some of/all of the above? This is your hypothesis, the burden of proving your hypothesis falls on you, not on everyone else just to take your word for it.

I know this post was lengthy, and for that I apologize.. but I do sincerely hope this helps you.

P.S. Before you guys start sending me rants and angry messages lol.. yes I know a lot of what I said in my lil quote example is false (or its all false, or all true depending on how you see the world).. it's just an example and isnt meant as anything else except that.
 
I found more of this Illuminati card game, and here it is mentioned on Skeptic Project through the 'Hate Mail' section:

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Hate Mail - Illuminati Conspiracy Card Game
Sender: Conspi-Knower
Added: May 5th, 2010
Sent to: Edward L. Winston

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1753.cfm

Please prove THESE wrong.
There are like 330 cards, most of which have already happened or are happening. So... do this?
My bro and I are scared shitless. To be honest =P.


And to add on, I was too scared to put my real name. They're watching? o__O.

Since when do I have to prove anything wrong? You need to prove them right.
1) I don't see any proof the cards are from 1995, and even if they are...
2) The real events don't even match up to the cards.

* The terrorist nuke card, yeah it looks like two towers, but what does that have to do with 9/11? Were their nuclear bombs used on 9/11 I can't seem to remember. If they knew ahead of time, why wouldn't they mention a plane, or the twin towers, or anything else? Instead it's nukes.

* The pentagon card, again, did the plane (or missile since you're a conspiracy theorist) crash into the center of the pentagon? No. But it's been known for years that the pentagon would be attacked, in fact the court yard at the center is called "ground zero" due to the direct hit it would take from a nuclear warhead if war broke out between the USSR and USA.

I really don't see proof of anything at all. If anything this proves the same shit's been repeated over and over again for many years. I have video from 20 years ago of conspiracy theorists claiming that by 1996 we'd all be in concentration camps and there'd be a one world government.
http://skepticproject.com/site/hate-mail/view/51/illuminati-conspiracy-card-game/

The video he is referencing is from the Phil Dunahue show:
 
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