Claim - UFO Crashes near Las Vegas, crash captured on Cop's Body-cam

[JMartJr]

I'm not seeing a forklift mast on these pieces of heavy machinery in the vids, but since people discussing this elsewhere seem to be calling them forklifts, I'm going to assume that's what they are for a moment, in order to present the following:

This is a 20 ton forklift, a reasonably big piece of heavy machinery. They run about 10-12 feet tall, after a spot check of various sites selling forklifts. I've assigned this one a height in the middle, 11 feet or so. Alien is set to 10 feet or so. Given that I'm not sure these are actually forklifts in the vids, and I am especially not sure which make and model they are, that's as much precision as I feel is called for at the moment. But whatever the machinery is, it appears to be something of this general size, with an alien of this general size supposedly getting into the cabin. (If some enterprising soul wants to exactly identify the machinery in the vids, I can redo this I suppose. If they are front-end-loaders or excavators or something else, they'd still be in this general size range for purposes of illustrating how unlikely it is a 10 foot ET would get in the cabin of one...)

There is nothing in those excavators, let alone 8-10ft beings.

I agree.

 

[Manny_2023]

I am impressed at the accuracy of this reporting, they left nothing out!

One thing that I'd love to see but is beyond my ability is to use these meteor video sightings to determine the trajectory and location of the meteor? See if it's flying in some totally different direction and area from the Las Vegas house?

Not an expert but sources 1 and 2 (pic attached) seem to indicate the meteor/object landing trajectory may have been within vicinity of Angel's house.

Sources:
1. W115.0911146 N36.269173: https: //www.reddit.com/user/airthradme/, https: //twitter.com/ItsBS_YouTube/status/1669089294428913667
2. W115.211402 N36.155106: https: //twitter.com/Richard37247328/status/1670100122988847105

3. W115.948 N36.192 https: //ams.imo.net/members/imo_video/view_video?video_id=13003

4. Unknown location https: //twitter.com/ItsBS_YouTube/status/1670484311252795392
5. Unknown location: https: //twitter.com/702times/status/1653269230845034497

I'm not seeing a forklift mast on these pieces of heavy machinery in the vids, but since people discussing this elsewhere seem to be calling them forklifts, I'm going to assume that's what they are for a moment, in order to present the following:

This is a 20 ton forklift, a reasonably big piece of heavy machinery. They run about 10-12 feet tall, after a spot check of various sites selling forklifts. I've assigned this one a height in the middle, 11 feet or so. Alien is set to 10 feet or so. Given that I'm not sure these are actually forklifts in the vids, and I am especially not sure which make and model they are, that's as much precision as I feel is called for at the moment. But whatever the machinery is, it appears to be something of this general size, with an alien of this general size supposedly getting into the cabin. (If some enterprising soul wants to exactly identify the machinery in the vids, I can redo this I suppose. If they are front-end-loaders or excavators or something else, they'd still be in this general size range for purposes of illustrating how unlikely it is a 10 foot ET would get in the cabin of one...)

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I agree.

Based on this video
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJPfUg45LMc
, it's obvious they are incorrectly calling the front loaders a forklift since they don't know the correct name.

 

[tobigtofool]

Update:

- poltergeist
- floating crucifixes
- shadow of alien on trees (needs debunking?)

Footage of what appears to be blurry object above the fence ( have not seen this discussed - have seen the shadows behind the fence before, but not the blurry thing above it)

The footage claims its an alien body and does a mockup to show you what they think it is in 3D

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxaToM9CTi4


Interview with the kid who originally posted the video where he says stuff is still happening in their house, and denies claims that he is doing it for clout because he has no other social content.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqrW2eDpZK8

 

[deirdre]

Update:

you need to fix this to meet link policy guidelines. or ill report you myself. watched the first minute of your video and it was just an intro waste of my time...so i am unhappy.

 

[Ann K]

you need to fix this to meet link policy guidelines. or ill report you myself. watched the first minute of your video and it was just an intro waste of my time...so i am unhappy.

Trust me, Deirdre, you didn't miss anything. It is a laughably naïve fake video, with credulous commentators spouting all the usual buzzwords.

 

[deirdre]

Trust me, Deirdre, you didn't miss anything. It is a laughably naïve fake video, with credulous commentators spouting all the usual buzzwords.

scrolled through. i dont think they are claiming the cgi alien is real.** they are pointing out the boom mic that looks like it pops up over the fence.

i thought we covered that way back when. or maybe i'm remembering a similar "b-movie", i watch alot of B-Movies and its not that super rare for the mic to end up in the shot.

you see it more in the original OP video. the microphone guy has one of those fuzzy covers on his mic.
timestamp 2:28 in original full length video below.

Source:
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oli6Q6y14W8

***didnt actually listen or watch through, just scrolled through News nation video real quick.

 

[JMartJr]

the microphone guy has one of those fuzzy covers on his mic.

Called, charmingly, a "dead cat."

 

[Ann K]

Called, charmingly, a "dead cat."

Ah, but it's not a "dead cat", of course, it's this "entity" that "cloaks itself" because "it doesn't want to be seen"...

I'm sure you can hear my eyes rolling all the way from Ohio.

 

[tobigtofool]

scrolled through. i dont think they are claiming the cgi alien is real.** they are pointing out the boom mic that looks like it pops up over the fence.
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i thought we covered that way back when. or maybe i'm remembering a similar "b-movie", i watch alot of B-Movies and its not that super rare for the mic to end up in the shot.

you see it more in the original OP video. the microphone guy has one of those fuzzy covers on his mic.
timestamp 2:28 in original full length video below.
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Source:
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oli6Q6y14W8



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***didnt actually listen or watch through, just scrolled through News nation video real quick.

It's actually the officer's beard.

Google image results for: bodycam placement las vegas officer

 

[deirdre]

It's actually the officer's beard.

ah. you've kinda just grossed me out.

 

[NorCal Dave]

Update:

- poltergeist
- floating crucifixes
- shadow of alien on trees (needs debunking?)

Footage of what appears to be blurry object above the fence ( have not seen this discussed - have seen the shadows behind the fence before, but not the blurry thing above it)

The footage claims its an alien body and does a mockup to show you what they think it is in 3D

So, this story has gone from aliens to ghosts, or maybe Catholic aliens? It doesn't seem to warrant much effort. This case was lauded by the usual UFO cheerleaders when it first appeared and then it faded into a big nothing.

News Nation has clearly descended from whatever journalistic standard they started with as they attempt to court the same credulous, though loyal, fan base that the cable channels learned to cash in on.

For this segment News Nation, maybe not having any other UFO/paranormal stories to tout, brings us a segment from Scott Roader's YouTube channel. That's right, this "news" segment is from a guy's YouTube channel.

Supposedly Roader is a CSI tech and his "team" of experts tried to debunk this dead case (why?) and instead decided to resurrect it. He claims that this "blob" in the upper corner is an "entity" with "scientific certainty":

Through a word salad explanation, the gist is that there is an "entity" there, but it's cloaked:

I'll give him credit for coming up with a fantastical idea that is also completely unfalsifiable and cannot be debunked. Any counter argument suggesting the blob is a camera artifact, a boom mic, a beard or anything else is summarily dismissed as "it's part of the cloaking".

See the alien skulking around in this photo:

No? That's because it's cloaked.

It's just silly. As for the paranormal stuff in the 2nd segment, yeah, also un-debunkable (is that a double negative?). It's just a guy telling stories. Maybe they're real maybe they're completely made up or maybe somewhere in the middle. Who can say? All we have is his recollections.

 

[webb]

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/LasVegasAliens/comments/1xh0xle/the_stance_of_ufo_media_about_this_case/

Hello. This is my first post on this forum. I'd like to know more about the LV '23. This Reddit user says that Mick West refuses to talk about the 2023 Las Vegas UFO case for 5k cash. Is that true?
"Think about this, Mick West initially talked about this case a ton at the very beginning. He hit it hard for a month or two and then completely disappeared like a fart in the wind. Now he refuses to talk about it, even when offered 5k cash. Makes him seem like a plant by his actions on this case. Mick West was interviewed by NewsNation."

 

[Mendel]

I'd like to know more about the LV '23.

Is there anything on the 5 pages of this thread that you have questions about?

This Reddit user says that Mick West refuses to talk about the 2023 Las Vegas UFO case for 5k cash. Is that true?

Ideally, ask @Mick West .
Or ask yourself, what evidence does this guy have who is badly down the "disinfo agent" rabbit hole?

Don't trust any UFO talking head if they ignore this case. This case exposed so many as shills. I don't even trust Knapp anymore. Greer, Foxx, Knapp, Jesse Michels, Korbel, all shills.

 

[Mick West]

Mick West refuses to talk about the 2023 Las Vegas UFO case for 5k cash. Is that true?

I'm not refusing to talk about it. I'll quite happily explain that it's nonsense that it's continuing to be a thing.

Someone offered me $5K to analyze a video that they thought was aliens when it was clearly just a shadow. I didn't do it because A) that's taking advantage of people, and B) it would probably end up being a mess with them disputing my analysis and then suing me for breach of contract. C) it does not deserve any more publicity. Same reason I won't debate Ashton Forbes.

 

[JJB]

I'm not refusing to talk about it. I'll quite happily explain that it's nonsense that it's continuing to be a thing.

Someone offered me $5K to analyze a video that they thought was aliens when it was clearly just a shadow. I didn't do it because A) that's taking advantage of people, and B) it would probably end up being a mess with them disputing my analysis and then suing me for breach of contract. C) it does not deserve any more publicity. Same reason I won't debate Ashton Forbes.

I had to refresh my memory on Ashton Forbes. He was the guy who claimed MH370 was teleported away by the three mysterious orbs. If I remember correctly, the satellite footage was challenged because its cloud imagery came from 2012, two years before MH370 disappeared? The disappearance effect was also matched to a pre-existing visual-effects asset. I can understand why you don't want another prolonged argument with him.

I'm curious, though: Was the 5,000 offer a genuine attempt to get a serious assessment?

 

[NorCal Dave]

Or ask yourself, what evidence does this guy have who is badly down the "disinfo agent" rabbit hole?

Just to be clear. In @webb post above (#172) it includes the header for r/LasVegasAliens with a post by u/xPelzviehx:

While the post mentioning Mick and all the shills is by IgnoreTheFud:

Although original poster, xPelzviehx, does go on to agree with most of it including the claim that Grusch and Elizondo are disinfo agents.

 

[Mick West]

I seemed serious, even if it was based on a delusion. Here's a Grok generated timeline
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_d7c71055-8760-4341-9884-5007edd2362c

Spoiler

Detailed Timeline: $5,000 Offer to Mick West (@MickWest) to Analyze Las Vegas "Alien" Backyard Video

Compiled from public statements by Mick West on X and Metabunk, Scott Roder's contemporaneous podcast discussion, and related sources. All quotes are as reported in primary public records. Dates are approximate where private DMs are involved.

Background: The Las Vegas Incident (2023)

• April 30 – May 1, 2023: The Kenmore family (later referenced in some coverage as Gomez) in the Las Vegas area reported a bright green light in the sky (widely identified by multiple sources as a meteor), claimed an object crashed or landed in their backyard, and reported seeing 8–10 foot tall non-human beings. They captured roughly 1 minute 41 seconds of cell-phone video of their backyard at night. 911 calls were made; police bodycam footage exists. No physical evidence of a crash, craft, or non-human entities was recovered by authorities.
• Early public comment by Mick West (June 8, 2023):
  
  Source: https://x.com/MickWest/status/1666946048420618241
  
  

  "The Las Vegas spaceship and 10-foot tall alien visitor?
  I don't know why some of #ufotwitter is interested in this.
  But ... the green light was a meteorite, the story is just a story."

  Link to related Metabunk discussion of the original claim: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/cl...-vegas-crash-captured-on-cops-body-cam.12980/

Revival of Interest and Scott Roder's Analysis (2024)

• Crime scene reconstruction expert Scott Roder (known for work on high-profile criminal cases) examined the backyard video, focusing on a "shadow figure" near a fence. He stated that "with a degree of scientific certainty" an "entity" was present in the physical reality of the scene, describing features such as partial opacity (~33%) and possible "cloaking." He produced an approximately 14-page report on the case.
• Report (as linked in contemporaneous discussions):
  Source: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1j48lgEn93lKTjzqLgpg1S1rUVj0dFyhG/view?usp=sharing

Initial Private Requests and the $5,000 Offer (Early–Mid October 2024)

• Around early October 2024: Chris Lathrop (associated with research on the case and a longer compilation document) privately messaged Mick West on X requesting that he analyze the video. West declined, describing the request as a "waste of time" and the claim as "obviously ridiculous."
• Weekend preceding October 15, 2024: Scott Roder contacted Mick West. After initial private declines ("not interested" / "No, I'm not interested, I'm sure you can find somebody else"), Roder made a formal offer of $5,000for West to perform a critical analysis of the report under three conditions:
  • Address issues of fact and agree or disagree on every issue.
  • If disagreeing, explain in detail why.
  • Issue a final report with a final summary of overall observations.
  Roder indicated the payment could be kept or donated to charity and set a deadline of Sunday night at 8 o'clock (acceptance by reply or non-reply).
• Private DM decline by Mick West (timestamped Fri 6:29 PM in the exchange, context ~mid-October 2024):
  

  "Sorry, I feel that will be perceived as me taking advantage of you.
  There's also the issue of legal complications if you are dissatisfied."

  (Quoted by West on Metabunk and referenced in the related podcast.)

Public Decline and Explanation (October 15, 2024)

• October 15, 2024, 22:31 UTC: Mick West posted publicly on X:
  
  Source: https://x.com/MickWest/status/1846318112175804823
  
  

  "I'm not going to analyze this video of a shadow behind a fence that some people think is a cloaked alien, even though I was offered $5,000 to do so.
  [link to video]
  Why turn down easy money? One reason is that it's taking advantage of someone's honest mistake. But really it seems unlikely to be something that would end well. Compare with the story of Alfred Russel Wallace and the flat earthers: [link]"

  [note]The Wallace reference points to the 1870 Bedford Level experiment/wager. Naturalist Alfred Russel Wallace accepted a bet from flat-earther John Hampden to demonstrate the Earth is a globe. Wallace's experiment confirmed curvature; he was awarded the stake, but then faced years of lawsuits, libel, harassment, and never effectively collected the money. See e.g. Scientific American: https://www.scientificamerican.com/...modern-biology-got-suckered-by-flat-earthers/[/note]
• West later summarized the offer on Metabunk (post #18 in the thread):
  https://www.metabunk.org/threads/vegas-alien-shadow-figure.13703/
  He confirmed the $5,000 was offered specifically to "explain in detail" why he disagreed with "each specific element" of the 14-page report, and repeated the DM quote above.

Related Criticism from Proponents

• October 15, 2024: Podcast/YouTube episode "Mick West Turns Down $5K Offer from Scott Roder to Analyze Las Vegas Alien Case" (Extraterrestrial Reality / Quirk Zone channel):
  
  Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyYEfBZX84Q
  
  Scott Roder discussed the offer and criticized the refusal. Reported quote:
  

  "your refusal speaks loudly on your inability to address a real actual event which leads me either to presume that you are deliberately ignoring it because you understand its significance or you're just being myopic... you put yourself out there as an expert in the field and yet you have failed to address one of the most significant UFO encounters in the last 100 years."

  Roder and host Jim Quirk framed the decline as evidence that West (and similar skeptics) avoid the case because it cannot be refuted. Jim Quirk replied to West's tweet: "The debunking emperor has no clothes."
• Ongoing framing in some UFO advocacy circles has continued to cite the offer and decline as proof that skeptics will not engage what they consider the strongest available evidence. West and participants on Metabunk treated the "shadow figure" as a prosaic lighting and movement artifact under low-light conditions (later supported by independent 3D recreations) and viewed deeper engagement under the proposed terms as unproductive or carrying unnecessary risk.

Later Public Comments by Mick West

• January 24, 2025:
  
  Source: https://x.com/MickWest/status/1882622221245731256
  
  

  "I understand pixels. That does not mean I have some moral obligation to talk to everyone about them.
  The Vegas backyard alien is stupid nonsense. It's just a shadow. That's it. The end.
  Any more is a waste of time."

Summary Assessment (as stated by the parties)

Mick West publicly declined the $5,000 offer on the grounds that accepting would risk being perceived as taking advantage of an honest mistake, carried potential legal complications if the payer was dissatisfied, and was unlikely to end productively (drawing the historical parallel to Wallace's experience with flat-earthers). He has consistently characterized the video content as an ordinary shadow rather than evidence of a non-human entity.

Scott Roder and associated advocates have presented the refusal as an inability or unwillingness to address what they view as significant evidence of a real non-human intelligence event.

This document records the publicly available statements and links; it does not adjudicate the underlying claim.

Sources include Mick West's X posts, the Metabunk thread "Vegas Alien Shadow Figure," the October 15 2024 Quirk Zone / Extraterrestrial Reality podcast episode featuring Scott Roder, and contemporaneous public reporting of the exchange

Concluding (accurately)

Mick West publicly declined the $5,000 offer on the grounds that accepting would risk being perceived as taking advantage of an honest mistake, carried potential legal complications if the payer was dissatisfied, and was unlikely to end productively (drawing the historical parallel to Wallace's experience with flat-earthers). He has consistently characterized the video content as an ordinary shadow rather than evidence of a non-human entity.

Scott Roder and associated advocates have presented the refusal as an inability or unwillingness to address what they view as significant evidence of a real non-human intelligence event.