Being I taken a lot of these types of photos as Im tracking them on Flightrader for alttitude I assume he has no zoom I would guess at least twice the altitude he stated . AT LEAST ! Thats if it a commercial airliner . Id agree with Justanairlinepilot 29000 . Tell him even a CT person says he is full of it .
He doesn't have flightradar24?
For the plane being at 12,000 ft, this photo has to be taken without zoom and not cropped (e.g., like a phone camera). Still, for the horizontal FOV of 55°, the angular dimensions of the plane appear less than 1° (my estimate is about 0.5°), so it would have to be a rather small plane:
12,000•2sin(0.5°/2)=105 ft (32 m)
PS Do you have a link to this photo? I'd like to see its EXIF data, if available.
Who is Russ Tanner?
Chemtrail guru who thinks chemtrails are killing him and years of mercury fillings in his teeth has made him super sensitive to smell. He can smell those trails miles away. He only has a selective schnozz, though. When I told him I'd hate to be him passing a farm, he said it's only the metals they spray that he smells.
http://russtanner.com/
Here's his mercury story:
(Oh, did I mention he SELLS STUFF? He got really p-'d off when I mentioned that.)
http://herballure.com/HotTopics/MyMercuryStory.html
His problems are all of his own making. Ten thousand ther people live around Tanner and never get sick, he says he just barely survives from day to day, in "incredible" pain and suffering.Wait, is it his fillings causing all his ailments or chemtrails?
Too much Coast-To-Coast A.M. methinks! Let 'em believe what they want. Use of logic and facts is strictly prohibited, besides, it won't change a thing. You can't reason with "true believers" of any stripe. EDIT: Just skimmed Mr. Tanner's website post. Amazing! He goes on for thousands of words and not ONCE that I saw does he present an actual, retail fact! He pulls charts and graphs right out of his tailpipe with no regard for anything except what he "THINKS." Heck, I THINK I'm gonna win the Powerball jackpot tomorrow but that doesn't make it so. Oh wait!!! I just tossed the IChing and it verified that "fact." Pardon me while I go out and put a deposit on that Ferrari California I've been lusting after.His problems are all of his own making. Ten thousand ther people live around Tanner and never get sick, he says he just barely survives from day to day, in "incredible" pain and suffering.
Russ Tanner claims that "contrails are so rare that most people will never see one in their lifetime, and if they do occur, they are at high altitudes that cannot be seen from the ground."
I kid you not. With leadership like that, no wonder these people get frustrated.
Question to the pilots on Metabunk . . . why do you think people are obsessed about persistent contrails . . . ?
Question to the pilots on Metabunk . . . why do you think people are obsessed about persistent contrails . . . ?
Wait Mick! I have the answer! I don't believe in Chemtrailers . . . . .Some chemtrailers would claim one of:
A) The image is fake
B) The image show deliberate smoke trails used to cover the bomber
C) The image shows normal smoke from the engines
D) The image does not show persistence, just "normal" contrails
They're "trained observers" Dave. You don't believe me? Ask them!With practice and a good pair of binoculars it is possible to guesstimate the height. When in the military we would use silhouette charts with different sizes of images that would represent the height. However by eye the accuracy was only at best to 5,000 ft, and that was if you were well trained and the plane at 30,000 or lower.
If you watch the Battle of Britain you get to see some of the basic kit the Observer Corp would use to estimate height. I find it miraculous some chemtrailers can do it by eye.
With practice and a good pair of binoculars it is possible to guesstimate the height. When in the military we would use silhouette charts with different sizes of images that would represent the height. However by eye the accuracy was only at best to 5,000 ft, and that was if you were well trained and the plane at 30,000 or lower.
If you watch the Battle of Britain you get to see some of the basic kit the Observer Corp would use to estimate height. I find it miraculous some chemtrailers can do it by eye.
If you don't know exactly what type of plane it is, then you could be off by a factor of more than 2 (i.e. 15,000 feet vs. 30,000 feet).
And that's just when planes are directly overhead, you also need to account for angle.
Here's my CS articles relating to the subject
http://contrailscience.com/measuring-the-height-of-contrails/
http://contrailscience.com/how-far-away-is-that-contrail/
http://contrailscience.com/why-do-some-planes-leave-long-trails-but-others-dont/
They are not, they are obsessed with the chemtrail theory.
It's simply an easy theory for people to fall for, if they are conspiracy-minded. It's right there in the sky, plain to see. They don't remember noticing those trails before, so it's a super easy leap to "they are spraying us".
It's basically a viral theory, a meme. It survived because it's adapted to the environment. It continues to mutate to better fit into the changing environment (e.g. during the summer, when there were no contrails in California, a "no-trail" variant of the the theory started to reproduce and spread).
If you believe that the WTC was destroyed by a controlled demolition, why would you not believe in chemtrails? There's a huge vulnerable target population, and they all just got infected with chemtrails.
Because they, as you, believe as your signature states. BTW your statement is incorrect, unless of course, to name at least one other thing that is "guaranteed," you personally believe that death is "optional."
OK. If you saw ice crystals generated as contrails at high altitudes, with favorable winds / atmospheric conditions you'd agree that they could be disbursed thinly and "mutate" into a cirrus-like formation before disbursing? Here's a link to a website you might enjoy.Fair enough . . . my inquiry into the belief tends to push me toward the visual reinforcement of the obsession from the persistent contrails and contrail induced cirrus clouds . . once someone has seen them one cannot un-see them . . . without this reinforcement the concept would simply run out of steam . . .
OK. If you saw ice crystals generated as contrails at high altitudes, with favorable winds / atmospheric conditions you'd agree that they could be disbursed thinly and "mutate" into a cirrus-like formation before disbursing? Here's a link to a website you might enjoy.
http://aviationweather.gov/products/nws/winds/ Couple it with reported "Chemtrail" sightings and see what you think.
Monaco?One could also add Taxes . . . The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional except for Death and Taxes . . . George B: or The only thing guaranteed in life is deception, Death and Taxes . . . everything else is optional . . . George B
Fair enough . . . my inquiry into the belief tends to push me toward the visual reinforcement of the obsession from the persistent contrails and contrail induced cirrus clouds . . once someone has seen them one cannot un-see them . . . without this reinforcement the concept would simply run out of steam . . .
That is where the suggestions presented by the websites, YouTube, etc. would seem to be more important . . . however, my inquiry does not necessarily support that conclusion. . . .Agreed. But "education" doesn't seem to be an option for those so motivated. . .