Munich pilot reports [Oncoming Plane]

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Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1o0h06x/pilots_document_uap_sighting_in_july_2024_east_of/




https://www.grenzwissenschaft-aktue...-sichtung-im-juli-2024-oestlich-von-muenchen/

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Throughout the sighting, the pilots were able to capture several photographs and films of the object, which also show a changing arrangement of smaller lights around a large main object, which is not characteristic of a conventional aircraft.

One of the pilots described the events as follows:

"Suddenly, a bright light appeared in front of us. It was too bright for it to be a star and it was initially stationary above the horizon. Me and my colleague (senior first officer) stared at it for a while and were unsure what it was. It looked like a single bright light surrounded by small lights. It was not an airplane, as these are usually very easy to identify by position lights, flashing lights, etc. In addition, this thing was much too bright.

After some time, the light suddenly began to move. I can't remember exactly the time span in between, it was maybe 15-20 minutes. Then the light flew from the front past our right side and a little above our machine. While it was doing that, it was higher than us (well over 40,000 feet [about 12 km]) and was also moving faster than us. The most amazing moment was when it flew past us. None of us could see a structure. It was just like a group of bright lights, with no connecting structure. That was really the strangest thing we both have ever observed.

I myself have been flying passenger aircraft for 15 years and my colleague for about 10 years. We've seen hundreds of shooting stars, satellites, airplanes, and other well-known objects, but nothing like this thing."


Based on his image analyses, Buettner assumes that the object passed the machine "quite close". Flight databases such as FlightRadar24.com also ruled out the possibility that other conventional aircraft, helicopters or registered drones were in the vicinity or on a corresponding course at the time of the flyby, which could explain the phenomenon.
This one will probably get some traction because its a pilot report and there's a scientist involved

Looks like a time-lapse, a few red flags, no flight data presented for cross checking, google link requires a request be approved (I have sent a request) mention of additional images, but they are not presented.

Coul be a reflection in the cockpit glass?
 
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Coul be a reflection in the cockpit glass?
That was my first thought also.
Video (from GreWi website) :

Very bad quality, hard to tell if it's outside the aircraft or a reflection on cockpit glass. Pilots should be able to tell the difference, though. Half way through the video there is something moving up on the right side.
 
Two photos in better resolution.
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There's a bit more resolving info in the article
https://www.grenzwissenschaft-aktue...-sichtung-im-juli-2024-oestlich-von-muenchen/
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two pilots of a civilian passenger plane east of Mühldorf, Bavaria
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On the way from Turkey to England, the aircraft was flying over Bavaria at a cruising altitude of 10,363 metres [34,000 feet]
July 2024 isn't that large of a time span, so it should be possible to track down.
There's a probably a fair few flights from Turkey to the UK in the period of one month..
 
supposedly a British pilot

reported via Dr. Douglas J. Buettner of the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies (SCU)
 
From the Buettner-UAP-conference PDF. It's unclear who created those screenshots, maybe Buettner himself, from metadata. The flight path, if it's accurate, could be Dalaman to Birmingham, a route that is served by Easyjet and Jet2, if one wants to stick with British companies.
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From the Buettner-UAP-conference PDF. It's unclear who created those screenshots, maybe Buettner himself, from metadata. The flight path, if it's accurate, could be Dalaman to Birmingham, a route that is served by Easyjet and Jet2, if one wants to stick with British companies.

Where's the link to the "Buettner-UAP-conference PDF" ... ?
 
If the time is as per Mick's rough sitrec (between 0000hrs and 0030hrs UTC in July 2024) then that should really narrow down the search window.


Route: Dalaman to Birmingham
Date: July 2024
Altitude: 34,000 ft
Time: Shorty after midnight
 
Where's the link to the "Buettner-UAP-conference PDF" ... ?
So if you click on the link to Mr. Buettner it takes you to a github, in there is a presentations section

In there is a text file with a link to a google drive

In there is a 921MB PDF

https://github.com/DrDougB/Presenta... 2025 IFEX & SETI Conference Presentation.txt

Location of the 2025 IFEX & SETI Conference Presentation:

Source: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IcEnYoynsPl71x2kyzmUS8UogmpMvs6l/view?usp=sharing


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"Yes," said Arthur, "yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard.

 
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If the time is as per Mick's rough sitrec (between 0000hrs and 0030hrs UTC in July 2024) then that should really narrow down the search window.



Route: Dalaman to Birmingham
Date: July 2024
Altitude: 34,000 ft
Time: Shorty after midnight
If we had the data in some useable format it might be pretty straightforward to filter to that

start/end airport code, airline, date-time

But I am unsure where we would get the source data from other than trawling through take off records and it might be behind the paywalls at the flight tracking sites.
 
Airport in Turkey looks to be Bodrum (probably not Kos as it is Greece and Turkey is mentioned in the PDF but an error could have be made here, Kos is probably the more popular UK destination) Dalman is east of Rhodes, I agree the UK airport is most likely BHX (Birmingham)

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Yeah, I'm sure there are many flights that match the parameters & routes that we have as they'll follow standard navigation routes and flight corridors. I've just found this one for example:

EXS77GS on 1 July 2024 flew from Bodrum to Birmingham ...
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Wow. Its path over the area matches Buettner 's screenshot exactly. :eek:
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I'm not sure how many others would match this exactly within the month of July 2024, but I'm pretty sure that some would.

Edit: and funnily enough another aircraft passes down the starboard side at the time it is over the area. (Kml atached)
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?replay=2024-07-02-01:09&lat=48.210&lon=12.542&zoom=8.8
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Hmmm.... This might be the actual flight. o_O
 

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I loaded it into Sitrec and and 3x speed it's pretty close.

But Sitrec thinks I am not logged into Metabunk so wont let me save it in the cloud, also can't remember how to get night light view on the terrain
 
I have just tried these two flights in sitrec and there is a pretty good match.



@Mick West I'm struggling to save stiches in sitrec at the moment. I have logged in on 3 different browsers and get the same issue each time.
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This reminds me of this case in which it was determined that the pilot of an approaching 737 had left his landing lights on after takeoff. It really confused the BizJet pilot who said "Okay so maybe they (the 737) forgot to turn them off all the way up to 28,000ft and also forgot to turn their strobe and beacon on, which is highly unlikely but possible. " Maybe the same has happened here.

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/n1...-bright-light-pass-by-his-plane-reddit.13918/

In the scenario I suggested above the 737 flight SXS2AK TC-SOI had taken off from Cologne 50mins earlier.
 
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Yeah I was thinking that
This reminds me of this case in which it was determined that the pilot of an approaching 737 had left his landing lights on after takeoff. It really confused the BizJet pilot who said "Okay so maybe they (the 737) forgot to turn them off all the way up to 28,000ft and also forgot to turn their strobe and beacon on, which is highly unlikely but possible. " Maybe the same has happened here.

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/n1...-bright-light-pass-by-his-plane-reddit.13918/
I mean I know the SCU has made some errors before but this would be a doozy..
 
Agreed, if this is the flight it is strange bearing in mind the last line of this slide. Maybe Dr Buettener doesn't think there are nerds out there like us that will check details like this.

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Given the video speed of the city lights moving from 34000 feet do we agree it's a time-lapse or otherwise sped up footage of some type?
 
One thing is clear Buetner apparently has metadata they are not sharing based on the image/video locations on Google Earth screenshots
 
This seems to indicate he thingks the video covers 2.3KM of ground distance..

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That would be a 10.4 second video at 430 knots, assuming that is ground speed.

duration is 4 seconds, so approx a 2x speed video
 
Looking at the the images IMG_01 and 04 were apparently taken also has them match positions for the oncoming aircraft.


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The original google drive link to the video was published to Reddit, the metadata does not appear to be useful
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It's curious why the light level jumps up, it suggest potential post processing.

Hmm maybe not the way it ramps up, anyway it's one second longer :)
 
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I've emailed Dr Buettener asking for confirmation of the flight number.

Sitrec is very close.

Dr Buettner replied to my email. He was reluctant to confirm or deny if the date & flight we had found is the right one - but he did say that he had also found a candidate flight flying in the opposite direction, but the pilots/co-pilot were adamant that the object could not have been a plane - so he considers this case 'unresolved'.
 
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