Charlie Kirk Shooting

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Charlie Kirk was killed by a meme
Making sense of our dark new era of extremely online political violence

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It's also possible Robinson genuinely believes in antifascist principles. But his alleged use of random internet brainrot is notable. Many extremism researchers this morning are wondering if Robinson is a self-identified "groyper," or follower of far-right streamer Nick Fuentes. As we wrote yesterday, Fuentes has spent years attacking Kirk online. Groypers believed that Kirk was a sellout and blocking a much more extreme version of Trumpism from taking root. For years, Groypers have been carrying out what they call "Groyper Wars," attending Kirk's events and trying to disrupt them. For what it's worth, 4chan users think Robinson was a Groyper.

But the conflicting tone of the bullet casings' inscriptions may also point to a connection with the Com network and the 764 terror cell offshoot. We've covered these groups several times on Panic World. They primarily exist inside of Discord and Telegram group chats. They recruit vulnerable young people around the internet, including inside of multiplayer games like Minecraft and Roblox. They encourage their members to commit horrible crimes with the promise of internet clout, intentionally using conflicting political messages to obscure any larger motive besides inspiring other members of the group to do the same.

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Many young extremists now believe in a much simpler binary: Order and chaos. And if you are spending any time at all trying to derive meaning from violent acts like this then you are, by definition, their enemy.
 
Ken Klippenstein has been in contact with a childhood friend of Tyler Robinson who shared some discord chats with Klippenstein and provided more information about Robinson. According to his friend's description, Robinson did not seem to be radicalized on either side of the political spectrum or fit the mold for an accelerationist doomer.

Article here: https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/exclusive-leaked-messages-from-charlie

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According to his friend's description, Robinson did not seem to be radicalized on either side of the political spectrum or fit the mold for an accelerationist doomer.
That was a nice read but at this point it's not like someone being investigated by the FBI for having possible prior knowledge is gonna say "yea he was a total radical".

*note the quotes i've heard from officials so far dont qualify as prior knowledge really ,imo, as people joke online all the time. or use "war like" language.

the biggest one i've seen is (paraphrase) " I'm gonna take out Charlie Kirk". But i would assume the kid was saying he was gonna take on Charlie in debate. I wouldn't have reported that to authorities. I didnt report Micks "call to arms", because i assumed he didnt mean it literally.

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Bongino said, adding that the bureau was looking at whether they had prior knowledge but did not alert authorities.

"Did they … hear it and think it was a joke? That is what we're trying to find out now," Bongino said. "If there is a larger network here, we will get that out to the public as soon as we can."


Bongino really really needs to remove himself from this investigation, even today he said "not a friend, a good friend" testifying to his relationship with Kirk. He is obviously a biased investigator and his involvement is candy for any defense attorney.
 
That was a nice read but at this point it's not like someone being investigated by the FBI for having possible prior knowledge is gonna say "yea he was a total radical".

*note the quotes i've heard from officials so far dont qualify as prior knowledge really ,imo, as people joke online all the time. or use "war like" language.

the biggest one i've seen is (paraphrase) " I'm gonna take out Charlie Kirk". But i would assume the kid was saying he was gonna take on Charlie in debate. I wouldn't have reported that to authorities. I didnt report Micks "call to arms", because i assumed he didnt mean it literally.

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Bongino said, adding that the bureau was looking at whether they had prior knowledge but did not alert authorities.

"Did they … hear it and think it was a joke? That is what we're trying to find out now," Bongino said. "If there is a larger network here, we will get that out to the public as soon as we can."


Bongino really really needs to remove himself from this investigation, even today he said "not a friend, a good friend" testifying to his relationship with Kirk. He is obviously a biased investigator and his involvement is candy for any defense attorney.
Yeah, there's already not going to be a lot of trust in what this team claims about the (alleged) shooter. They're going to offer up anything that makes him look even slightly liberal and nothing that makes him look like a groyper.
 
@MonkeeSage the bit about how Robinson didnt know how his parents would respond, the Utah DA today said - just found this-his parents had discussions with him about it. see 1 hour 16. he doesnt say or imply what the emotional impact of these discussions was on the Robinson.

and listen to 1:19:00 bit. apparently the "take him out" thing was not posted online. (so onliners really had no reason to pre-report Robinson that ive seen anyway)

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Full conference Starts at 1 hour mark
counts listed. 7 counts
filing notice of intent to seek the death sentence. because of this he will be held without bail.

1:05:00 allegations. basically lays out what happened the day and the investigation the following days ie. what we know already

1:16:00 gives statements of parents at police station when they accompanied him turning himself in.
*this is the attorney speaking i m not sure if he is quoting the mother verbatim in any parts "over teh last year or so Robinson had become more political and had started to lean more to the left. becoming more pro gay and trans rights oriented. She stated that Robinson had began to date his roommate, a bioological male who was transitioning genders. This resulted in several discussions with family members, bust esp between Robinson and his father who had very different political views.

1:19:00 police interviewed roommate. explains the note that talked about "taking out Kirk" ,airquotes, was the physical note found under Robinsons keyboard.






Source: https://youtu.be/vttwqShC9WU?t=3629
 
They're going to offer up anything that makes him look even slightly liberal and nothing that makes him look like a groyper.
did you mean to write this to sound like such a factual statement? :)

i agree though noone is gonna trust the feds on this.
 
Due to a work conference and then catching covid (in 2025!), I haven't spent much time following up on the motivations of the murder. Without having to go back through several days of posts, is there any clarity on the motivation? I don't care what the politicians are saying, especially those with long histories of lying. I trust the people on this website more.
 
Due to a work conference and then catching covid (in 2025!), I haven't spent much time following up on the motivations of the murder. Without having to go back through several days of posts, is there any clarity on the motivation? I don't care what the politicians are saying, especially those with long histories of lying. I trust the people on this website more.
I don't think there's an easy answer (no antifa membership card). Thankfully, Robinson is still alive, so once he's been convicted, we may learn more.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler_James_Robinson(which has been proposed for deletion) is a good point to start.

I think the gun he used was his grandfather's, and his dad had given it to him. He moved out of his MAGA home for college, and his outlook changed. Transgender roommate/partner seems established. They didn't find any obvious indications, no history of political activism.

There's a 4chan theory that I've presented above (#201) that comes closest to tying him to anything, but I have no idea if it's reasonable or even a hoax. It's supported by those who'd like Tyler Robinson to be far right.

The right, of course, argues, "he shot Kirk, hence he's not on our side, hence he must be on the left".

Fact is, a lot of his peers sympathize with him.
My personal opinion is that it's a confluence of a "guns solve problems" upbringing and the "Kirk is a very bad man" idea.

The fact that Kirk was shot while he was questioned about the prevalence of trans mass shooters (miniscule) is probably coincidence. Robinson entered onto the roof, readied the gun, moved to the firing position, fired, and left, in the space of little over 5 minutes.

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"In a way, the ideological beliefs of the shooter don't matter," said Rachel Kleinfeld, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
"What matters is how they're taken by society. And if our society chooses to keep pointing fingers, whether the person turns out to be right, left or just unstable, then the violence will grow from the pointing of fingers, regardless of the act itself."
Kleinfeld said most perpetrators of political violence were not clearly on one ideological side or another, but typically driven by "a hodgepodge of conspiracy beliefs and mental illness."
"So it wouldn't be surprising at all if this person was a person of the far right, if this person was a person who held a variety of different beliefs and was sort of unclassifiable," she added.
 
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Is it time to start a debunking thread about conspiracy beliefs? On social media I'm seeing a lot of "zero gun experts agree that Robinson could have done that with that rifle" types of posts. Notably, as always, all based purely on arguments from incredulity ("that round would have blown his neck off").

Naturally I think these ideas are taking off because people want to believe it was a larger and more meaningful nefarious plot and not a lone, non-liberal gunman who has singlehandedly created chaos...the same old song and dance.
 
On social media I'm seeing a lot of "zero gun experts agree that Robinson could have done that with that rifle" types of posts. Notably, as always, all based purely on arguments from incredulity ("that round would have blown his neck off").
There was speculation right at the start that the bullet hit a bullet-proof vest first and ricocheted upward into his neck. That makes a lot of sense to me, because it would have lost a lot of its power after the ricochet, and do less cranial damage than if it had first hit his neck or head. I'm sure the FBI know the trajectory by now.
 
It's the "might makes right" thing, where people believe in overpowering an opponent rather than debating the point of contention, and teach their kids the same.
Was Tyler Robinson taught this, though? If so, how do you know? You both seem to buy into the notion that he was brought up this way. Where do you get this from?

The Robinson family, according to their social media, are clearly gun enthusiasts, but this doesn't mean, nor does it even slightly imply, they taught their kids "guns solves problems". That is a gross, unsubstantiated implication.

Maybe, Tyler Robinson was just a nutcase who had access to a hunting rifle?
 
Was Tyler Robinson taught this, though? If so, how do you know? You both seem to buy into the notion that he was brought up this way. Where do you get this from?

The Robinson family, according to their social media, are clearly gun enthusiasts, but this doesn't mean, nor does it even slightly imply, they taught their kids "guns solves problems". That is a gross, unsubstantiated implication.

Maybe, Tyler Robinson was just a nutcase who had access to a hunting rifle?
You asked about the phrase. I explained. I have not referred to the shooter in any way, so please wind in your neck and calm down.
 
So... no mention of a second shooter yet?

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I won't post the video link since it includes the graphic footage but a YT search should find it. The first 2 minutes outline the theory pretty quickly. I think its a passing bug being mistaken for a bullet, resulting in the false assumption that the shooter would be in a completely different position resulting in a completely different bullet trajectory. I'd be interested to know what others here think. Currently, I think its nonsense, but I've no expertise whatsoever in this area.
 
Seems reasonable at first, knowing nothing about guns or ballistics, then there are videos pointing out the sly self promotion aspects of this video, but which don't really argue against the idea of a shot coming from a completely different angle to what we've been told by the FBI. It seems there should be enough video/audio data out there to determine which hypothesis is most likely.
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I won't post the video link since it includes the graphic footage but a YT search should find it. The first 2 minutes outline the theory pretty quickly. I think its a passing bug being mistaken for a bullet, resulting in the false assumption that the shooter would be in a completely different position resulting in a completely different bullet trajectory. I'd be interested to know what others here think. Currently, I think its nonsense, but I've no expertise whatsoever in this area.
 
There was speculation right at the start that the bullet hit a bullet-proof vest first and ricocheted upward into his neck. That makes a lot of sense to me, because it would have lost a lot of its power after the ricochet

My limited understanding is that bullets don't usually ricochet off modern body armour in the way that they might off of, say, steel plate.
Pistol/ submachine gun rounds, shotgun pellets etc. fail to penetrate the densely-woven Kevlar (or equivalent) fibres of "soft" armour and usually remain embedded in the garment.
Rifle rounds will defeat most fabric-based armour so ceramic (less often metal) plates are used in conjunction with a fabric-based armour where there is a need to mitigate against rifle threats.

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Ceramic body armor is made up of a hard and rigid ceramic strike face bonded to a ductile fiber composite backing layer. The projectile is shattered, turned, or eroded as it impacts the ceramic strike face, and much of its kinetic energy is consumed as it interacts with the ceramic layer; the fiber composite backing layer absorbs residual kinetic energy and catches bullet and ceramic debris (spalling).
Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_armor

Whether a "turned" bullet constitutes a ricochet might be important here, but the aim of body armour is largely to absorb the energy of the bullet and distribute it over a much larger area before it reaches the wearer's body, not to deflect the bullet:

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Behind Armour Blunt Trauma (BABT) is the non-penetrating injury resulting from the rapid deformation of armours covering the body. The deformation of the surface of an armour in contact with the body wall arises from the impact of a bullet or other projectile on its front face. The deformation is part of the retardation and energy absorbing process that captures the projectile.
"Behind Armour Blunt Trauma - an emerging problem" (abstract only), Cannon, L., BMJ Military Health 147 (1), 2001, https://militaryhealth.bmj.com/content/147/1/87 my emphasis.

To reduce injuries that can result from the body armour deforming from a rifle round strike, trauma plates, not to be confused with the ballistically protective ceramic plates, are sometimes worn under/ are part of the body armour,
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Trauma plates, also called trauma pads, are inserts or pads which are placed behind ballistic armour plates/panels and serve to reduce the blunt force trauma absorbed by the body; they do not necessarily have any ballistic protective properties. While an armour system (hard or soft) may stop a projectile from penetrating, the projectile may still cause significant indentation and deformation of the armour...
Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletproof_vest#Trauma_plates

I haven't watched footage of the moment of Charlie Kirk's murder and have no wish to do so.
But if he were wearing body armour capable of deflecting a rifle round (even though body armour is not usually designed to do this) it would be substantial, and Kirk would have to be wearing an oversized shirt and jacket to conceal it.
The PASGT armour worn by US troops in the Gulf War (1990-1991) was not protective against rifle rounds (and wasn't intended to be), nor were the "flak jackets" worn by US soldiers and marines in Vietnam; the Springfield 30-06 round that killed Kirk is considerably more powerful than the 7.62 x 39mm rounds that were the standard rifle ammunition of US forces' opponents in those conflicts.
Contemporary American troops are issued with the Improved Outer Tactical Vest, which provides significant protection against rifle rounds. But it is, of necessity, a bulky item.

Were Kirk wearing a lower profile armour to protect against e.g. pistol rounds, it is likely a fully powered cartridge (such as Springfield 30-06) would defeat it, not ricochet off. For the reasons above, I think it's unlikely he was wearing body armour designed to counter rifle fire.
I guess we can't rule out some unlikely set of circumstances where the assailant's bullet ricocheted off some type of body armour- maybe a chance underpowered round (although this would impair accuracy) and/ or the wearing of a non-LEA/ military spec. protective item of suboptimal design that allowed a ricochet.

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Bullets don't bounce off body armor, of course. For one thing, that would be extremely dangerous as the bullet could ricochet off the vest and hit innocent bystanders. The vest itself would also be extremely heavy and cumbersome and therefore impractical for everyday use. Instead, today's armor catches the projectile inside a tight weave of synthetic yarn known as para-aramid thread...
"Body Armor Protection Levels", Propper (US military clothing etc. supplier) website, 20 June 2016 https://www.propper.com/blog/selecting-armor
 
fwiw, Kirk's wife Erika supposedly told the NYT that she had tried to get him to start wearing a bulletproof vest,
but that he "demurred."

It's behind a pay wall, I think, but being widely reported, with no pushback.

ETA: Maybe this: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/21/...e_code=1.nk8.Bp32.11mJOHcb_Hhe&smid=url-share

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Mr. Kirk, whose appearances on college campuses drew ardent support and fierce condemnation, had received numerous death threats over the past year and had been traveling with a security team for months. Over dinner, Ms. Kirk implored her husband to start wearing a bulletproof vest. When he demurred, the friend suggested that Mr. Kirk speak behind bulletproof glass.
 
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For those who don't want to see the footage the above linked videos are made by apparent gun experts who are doubting that the shot came from the direction where Tyler Robinson was apparently positioned on the roof in front of Kirk, and instead came from behind and to the side, making it appear impossible for Robinson to be the shooter if that was him on the roof, and so a very different story to what we've been told so far.
Again I would have thought the crowd reaction to the noise would have clearly ruled out one or the other explanation, but from footage (that doesn't show graphic detail) the crowd seems confused, but then they do disperse fanning outwards from the stage with some going toward Robinson's apparent location. It's confusing.
In this (non graphic) video you can see the guy on the left flinch a moment before the shot is fired. (although the audio sync seems a little off in the video, so it's not clear). They are on a walkway above and to the side of where the speakers tent was.
You can also see the black dot near the guy in white's hair which some have speculated is a drone ( it looks like a bird to me) which crosses the scene about just before the shot.
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In this (non graphic) video you can see the guy on the left flinch a moment before the shot is fired. (although the audio sync seems a little off in the video, so it's not clear).
His reaction before the shot is without any doubt due to the audio being out of sync. Some of the other people also show reactions, the person on the right with long hair throws their hands in the air at that moment.

Source: https://youtu.be/y10B2GUMiD0?t=1148

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Whether a "turned" bullet constitutes a ricochet might be important here, but the aim of body armour is largely to absorb the energy of the bullet and distribute it over a much larger area before it reaches the wearer's body, not to deflect the bullet:
Specifically, any momentum given to the bullet away from the body must, Newton's third law, exert a further impulse onto the body, the very thing that the armour is attempting to decrease. I'll also add that it's not just area that's important, time is at least as important. Time reduces the force, area reduces the pressure from that force.
 
His reaction before the shot is without any doubt due to the audio being out of sync. Some of the other people also show reactions, the person on the right with long hair throws their hands in the air at that moment.
Here I've synced the audio.
 
This event must have set a record for the number of conflicting conspiracy theories. Has anyone compiled a list of them yet?
 
This event must have set a record for the number of conflicting conspiracy theories. Has anyone compiled a list of them yet?
I think for something to be called a conspiracy theory, it's going to need legs. We haven't had enough time since the event to find out which ones will have sticking power, and what we have seen so far have been mostly just kneejerk reactions: "Who do you hate most? Well, it's THEIR fault".
 
Anyone looked into the analysis by jason goodman from crowd source the truth.
Very analytical deep dive and he has turned up some weird stuff. And I remember watching a video of the event on the day and seeing a man standing next to an underpass where people where running and panicking while he calmly filmed which I thought was strange. I dont want to post any links etc because I keep getting warnings and violations so search on YouTube he has a great deep dive on redacted and even deeper on crowd source the truth 12 on you tube. Be interesting to see if it gets any traction
 
Very analytical deep dive and he has turned up some weird stuff.
You're getting warnings because you don't tell us what he turned up. [What is the evidence?]
And I remember watching a video of the event on the day and seeing a man standing next to an underpass where people where running and panicking while he calmly filmed which I thought was strange.
This is called argument from incredulity, and it is used to turn mundane facts into a mystery.

I remember a widow using her husband's death to sell merch, which I thought was strange. I remember people celebrating Kirk's death with music and fireworks, and televising the celebration. I think both is very strange, but I don't turn it into a conspiracy theory. Do you think I should?
 
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Anyone looked into the analysis by jason goodman from crowd source the truth.
so you figure if we have to look up the claim, you might help drive clicks to his youtube?

for outside readers the claim is "kirk was shot from behind" (well technically behind and off to kirk's right.)

and im guessing the autopsy and found bullet and confession are all fake?

ps manx
weird stuff.
in the conspiracy world they call those "anomalies", not weird stuff.
 
I remember people celebrating Kirk's death with music and fireworks
you need to stop phrasing it that way. a memorial is not a celebration of his death. its a celebration of his life. The black New Orleans culture does this too, so you sound politically incorrect (and kinda ghoulish).
 
https://wcti12.com/news/nation-world/how-a-conspiracy-theory-closed-part-at-charleston-sc : " "Crowdsource the Truth," a conspiracy theory YouTube channel"

https://trackingmeroz.wordpress.com...the-truth-the-fallacy-of-no-fault-journalism/ quotes Jason Goodman:
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I leave it up to the crowd to use whatever resources are available at their disposal to make that determination, compare it against other sources, you know whatever that might be and I think with your help and these assistants of your group and the experience that you have as we move forward, people will come to know how to do that.
It's the "just asking questions" and "do your own research" type of misinformation that leads people down the rabbit hole without taking responsibility for it. Whatever "deep dives" there are, I expect they'll be down a rabbit hole, which I can only encourage you not to follow: getting out requires a whole lot more effort than getting in.

This approach has destroyed families, lives, and gotten people killed.
 
And I remember watching a video of the event on the day and seeing a man standing next to an underpass where people where running and panicking while he calmly filmed which I thought was strange.
Isn't not having someone filming in the face of danger stranger these days?

If you wanted to make something look real these days you probably have to have someone stood somewhere filming it on their mobile phone.

How do we define EXACTLY how people should act? It's hardly surprising that it's pretty much impossible and therefore any action can be deemed "strange". Not strange enough is strange. Strange is strange. Too strange is strange.

There is no porridge that's JUST right. Unless it's perfectly crafted. Which would make it obviously strange. It's not just right, it's TOO right.
 
How do we define EXACTLY how people should act?
There's a range of reactions on the video in #226. From people who move immediately, to several who don't move at all. Many of them are filming but others are just standing and looking toward the stage. What you don't really see is people looking or pointing in the direction of the alleged shooter's position. But, perhaps the amphitheatre has strange acoustics?
 
What you don't really see is people looking or pointing in the direction of the alleged shooter's position. But, perhaps the amphitheatre has strange acoustics?
There are many vertical walls in various positions that create echoes. If the bullet is supersonic, its flight creates a crack as well. It isn't easy to locate the source of the bang in that environment, especially if you're startled by it.
 
There's a range of reactions on the video in #226. From people who move immediately, to several who don't move at all. Many of them are filming but others are just standing and looking toward the stage. What you don't really see is people looking or pointing in the direction of the alleged shooter's position. But, perhaps the amphitheatre has strange acoustics?
If you were in a crowd and a shooter was at a distance in an unidentified direction, you would not know where to hide anyway, would you? You'd probably think "not near the victim", but that's about it.
 
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