Your answer is in the thread's title.Is this forum only open to debunkers, sceptics and conspiracists?
I agree. I feel like I could/would get a completely different result each time I took the test...I took it again this morning and ended up in the green- must have been in a bad mood yesterday
In my mind I have supplemented authoritarian for violent and libertarian for caring. =)
Libertarians care alright, about themselves.
Libertarians care alright, about themselves.
Many Libertarians embrace the concepts of "do your own thing" and "non-interference" in the lives of others" and are willing to use violence to defend those ideals. There's more to being a Libertarian than just wanting liberty. Many see the defense of liberty as an integral part of the movement. As with any political philosophy it encompasses a broad range of ideas. Similarly most religions have an authoritarian element, that is how they maintain their doctrine, but does not necessarily mean they advocate violence in the promotion and maintenance of their doctrine. Alhazred's characterization is probably closer to the pure Libertarian ideal than yours. You seem to looking for a Pacifism movement and nothing on that scale reflects Pacifism vs Militarism.So, 'people that want liberty only care about themselves but people that condone the use of force care about others'?
Seems legit.
When you achieve an office like the Presidency/Prime Minister in any country your philosophical beliefs can be easily trumped by the realities of the situation and the potential consequences of your actions. If you are not willing to take the actions needed even if they are counter to your personal philosophies you are not going to be a very effective leader. To believe otherwise is naive. You may not see the differences in the American political parties but most Americans have no problem pointing them out. It's true we don't have the cacophony of parties splitting the vote that many countries have but that has both advantages and disadvantages that are to numerous to discuss here.I am really not sure how valid this test is. All the famous people in there have clearly not taken the test and someone else has interpreted what they would answer. Even if Obama, for example is in the top right based on his actual actions, I wonder where he would be based on his ACTUAL beliefs.
Does this mean he is a hypocrite? or does it mean that when actually in power he was faced with the realism of how the system works and perhaps real change is not possible without destroying the entire system and replacing it with something else?
It goes to show how all politicians seem to basically be the same. US Citizens seem to get as heavily divided on the Republican/Democrat line as if they are total opposites, when they are actually basically almost identical.
You hit the nail on the head Efftup. Most Presidents don't operate based on their beliefs, but they surely do run on their beliefs. Eventually their beliefs are pushed aside for the safety of our nation. I think its impossible for us to presume what it would mean to be the President of this nation. I would imagine all leaders in the free world would probably live in that part of the graph, regardless of how liberal they are in their views. Which adds to actions speak louder than words. So does this mean the left/right divide only thrives in our words, but all actions will typically be far right or at least the majority of them regardless of who's in power.Even if Obama, for example is in the top right based on his actual actions, I wonder where he would be based on his ACTUAL beliefs.
both. but actions have to be taken in honest and informed context.Should we decide who someone is based on their beliefs or their actual words and actions
What if their words contradict their actions? And more importantly why has this become the accepted norm in politics, to the point where people even joke about it instead of being outraged over it.both. but actions have to be taken in honest and informed context.
In Georgia we name a bridge after them.What if their words contradict their actions?
When you achieve an office like the Presidency/Prime Minister in any country your philosophical beliefs can be easily trumped by the realities of the situation and the potential consequences of your actions. If you are not willing to take the actions needed even if they are counter to your personal philosophies you are not going to be a very effective leader. To believe otherwise is naive. You may not see the differences in the American political parties but most Americans have no problem pointing them out. It's true we don't have the cacophony of parties splitting the vote that many countries have but that has both advantages and disadvantages that are to numerous to discuss here.
I took the test and landed in the green box, but honestly what is the difference between disagree and strongly disagree, or agree and strongly agree. I mean you either agree or disagree with something, right. And can a test like this actually predict if someone is a skeptic or an "alternative" (what ever that means). My point being how accurate are these test, and who came up with the test. Are there any biases in the test?This thread is about the political compass, and how it differs between groups such as skeptics and alternative fans, not a thread in which to discuss politics or political theory.
If you wish to discuss politics with someone, then please PM them.
Do we have any charts with plots for those who are conspirators or believers to get a better idea of where they fall on the graph? I agree there's a distinction between the two, but there are more similarities between the two then most people like to admit.Yeah, it's not a very good test. But it's the best we've got
Do we have any charts with plots for those who are conspirators to get a better idea of where they fall on the graph? I agree there's a distinction between the two, but there are more similarities between the two then most people like to admit.
It makes sense, but the questions are very specificIe, if you strongly disagree with everything about a subject but mildly disagree on one (random example, question 7) it will judge that to be similar to mildly disagreeing with all of them and being fairly neutral about 'question 7' or does it take them all as absolute? Ie, if a person says they strongly disagree on all but one then it will really 'believe' that the person is strongly against all of them apart from one.
So in essence everyone associated with this site resides in the same quadrant except for SR1419 and Landru. So does this give us a good indication that "debunkers" or truth seekers are typically liberal. But Joe resides in the same quadrant, and I would've pegged him for being more to the rightA year ago I collated it, and marked the four most "conspiracy" oriented people in red:
Thats another valid point Dee, the way the questions are worded in some cases sort of predict the answers.: / I was in the blue. but it was a really hard, stupidly worded test. (no offense, most are)
So in essence everyone associated with this site resides in the same quadrant except for SR1419 and Landru. So does this give us a good indication that "debunkers" or truth seekers are typically liberal. But Joe resides in the same quadrant, and I would've pegged him for being more to the right
Post-Moderns
13% of the public
What They Believe
Who They Are
- Generally supportive of government, though more conservative on race policies and the safety net
- Strongly supportive of regulation and environmental protection
- Most (56%) say Wall Street helps the economy more than it hurts
- Very liberal on social issues, including same-sex marriage
- One of the least religious groups: nearly a third are unaffiliated with any religious tradition
- Favor the use of diplomacy rather than force
- The youngest of the typology groups: 32% under age 30
- A majority are non-Hispanic white and have at least some college experience
- Half live in either the Northeast or the West
- A majority (58%) live in the suburbs
- 63% use social networking
- One-in-five regularly listen to NPR; 14% regularly watch The Daily Show