Synchronicity - What's your experience of it?

[yoshy]

does it read that way? it was more like 10 or 20 a day. As much as i wanted. (i was super stressed out at the time working with neglected kids..so my brain was in hyperalert mode as i mentioned earlier).

Yes that's how I read it, at least. But that's a common result of short comments - unless we write entire essays (which I certainly won't be doing lol), misunderstandings are just gonna happen. I'm sorry you were so stressed out at that time. I've been there, though my coping mechanism is retreating inward, and I hope you don't have to experience that again.

Your non-woo version is much more interesting to me from a psychological standpoint than the woo version.

 

[Todd Feinman]

What's the theoretical model to distinguish "synchronicity" and coincidence? A scientific approach would need to propose that to generate hypotheses to test.

A high level of symbolic overlap between the event and frame of reference and experiences of a person, within a given time frame. The events giving rise to the observed phenomenon and the observer's frame of reference will overlap occasionally. Could use / make an AI tool, but cataloging the observer's frame of reference and the multitude of external stimuli at a given time would seem to be impossible to do accurately. Precognition could be a meaningful form of synchronicity, or be related, but I don't need precognition to know not to open that topic!
<edit> Just now, word stimulus over and over again on TV, with regard to stimulus checks.

 

[deirdre]

Your non-woo version is much more interesting to me from a psychological standpoint than the woo version.

it's incredibly interesting. but like gravity i doubt there will ever be an understanding of why/how/what it is. and it doesnt help anything in anyway
(unless you give it meaning of course. it could be comforting like God letting you know He is there, but it could also be terrorizing too if you think it's Satan or the government doing some MKUltra type thing on you for example)

Precognition could be a meaningful form of synchronicity, or be related, but I don't need precognition to know not to open that topic!

I've thought that too.

 

[Todd Feinman]

Some ideas about precognition involve the mind sorting things out before cognition, or that mind functions further upstream in time from the present. If there were to be a synchronous event that in the future that had meaning it presented a danger to the observer's frame of reference, one would like to think there would / could be a precognitive episode.. See how well I tiptoed through that minefield?!
Past creates future creates past… Present.
Would magic rituals only work at particular times when they are a manifestation of a precognitive synchronous event?
Certainly people have tried to explore these possibilities in the past. Fun to think about.

 

[deirdre]

or that mind functions further upstream in time

i think spacetime says there is no upstream. or is that the 8th dimension? something in "Physics" speculates time happens all at once.

 

[Todd Feinman]

i think spacetime says there is no upstream. or is that the 8th dimension? something in "Physics" speculates time happens all at once.

I think mathematically it does, but we still experience the arrow of time and entropy. I'm not a math guy, though. There is no barrier to the future affecting the past on some levels, in theory.

 

[GM4AJK]

something in "Physics" speculates time happens all at once.

I thought the very definition of time was "that thing that stops everything happening all at once"

 

[Todd Feinman]

One could argue that AI already shows precognition by finding meaningful patterns of information that humans miss, in advance. But I think that idea had already been explored in science fiction

 

[deirdre]

I thought the very definition of time was "that thing that stops everything happening all at once"

it's certainly MY definition keep it simple, i say.

 

[yoshy]

i think spacetime says there is no upstream. or is that the 8th dimension? something in "Physics" speculates time happens all at once.

Second sentence is incorrect with current accepted physics. Time is a dimension (the fourth dimension), and the unique part is it flows in one direction. One of the canonical examples is you never see a broken egg put itself together. Time always flows in the same direction. And the predictions for time in General Relativity are currently experimentally validated.

 

[yoshy]

One could argue that AI already shows precognition by finding meaningful patterns of information that humans miss, in advance. But I think that idea had already been explored in science fiction

I work in AI/ML as a data scientist and actuary, and it is absolutely not precognition. AI is a complex statistical system, but nothing that goes near precognition. Using probability to predict the next best token is not precognition.

 

[deirdre]

Second sentence is incorrect with current accepted physics. Time is a dimension (the fourth dimension), and the unique part is it flows in one direction. One of the canonical examples is you never see a broken egg put itself together. Time always flows in the same direction. And the predictions for time in General Relativity are currently experimentally validated.

im not saying spacetime is the 8th dimension. i was saying that maybe i am thinking of the 8th dimension, not the 4th.

on a seperate topic... i was watching a video recently that there are 4d computer games and that is spatially the 4th dimension. so now im totally confused about the dimensions sequence.

 

[yoshy]

im not saying spacetime is the 8th dimension. i was saying that maybe i am thinking of the 8th dimension, not the 4th.

i was watching a video recently that there are 4d computer games and that is spatially the 4th dimension. so now im confused about the dimensions sequence.

I love those videos. Look up "hyperbolic space video games" to continue the mind trip.

To clarify, our universe is currently accepted to be 4D: 3 spatial dimensions, 1 time. And they are connected. The faster you move in a spatial dimension, the slower you move in the time dimension.

String theory has multiple versions with extra spatial dimensions but they are "curled up" to the size of elementary strings. One of the string theories goes up to 26 dimensions I think

 

[deirdre]

The faster you move in a spatial dimension, the slower you move in the time dimension.

i think the DMV disproves that.

 

[Todd Feinman]

I work in AI/ML as a data scientist and actuary, and it is absolutely not precognition. AI is a complex statistical system, but nothing that goes near precognition. Using probability to predict the next best token is not precognition.

But you can have it look at a particular data set, perhaps for structural stability of a dam or something, and it can see patterns in the data that humans miss, correct?
So a mundane explanation for precognition is that people aren't consciously aware of subtle cues in the environment, but then get out together to create the illusion of precognition, which is how it is usually explained away.
But I suppose other more spectacular claimed examples couldn't be explained that way.

 

[NoParty]

I work in AI/ML as a data scientist and actuary, and it is absolutely not precognition. AI is a complex statistical system, but nothing that goes near precognition. Using probability to predict the next best token is not precognition.

This 2002 documentary actually does an excellent job of explaining exactly how precognition really works: