This puppy is almost 2, she's a rescue with no prey drive and has a lot of anxiety from her being dumped with her mom and siblings in a Texas field in the summer, she doesn't even go after cats or squirrels. And thank you! I'll tell her she has a fanMy vote is also for butterfly, simply because if it was a cow/calf/goat it would probably be seen by or cautious of the dog.
I don't know this particular dog, but whenever I have walked various dogs, they go ballistic at any kind of farm animal, and the farm animals usually skedaddle out of there, not calm enough to lay down.
Our (very handsome!) dog friend here is in the same general position when he is looking towards the thing (assuming it's large, physical, and on the path) than when he isn't. Any dog I've had goes into immediate LOOKATTHETHINGOHMYGODITSADEER mode when they so much as sense another animal, regardless of dog breed. Thus, the thing is probably not visible to it. Thus, butterfly.
Yes it would it's what I need before I post it on less kinder forums to see if someone else has photographed or seen this. I am not a tech person, I don't know how to post or upload the pics, I have them for sure ready. I did ask before so I'm looking through messages right now and if someone provided a walkthrough of how then I'll do it.It would be nice to see the original hi-res photos.
My vote is also for butterfly, simply because if it was a cow/calf/goat it would probably be seen by or cautious of the dog.
I don't know this particular dog, but whenever I have walked various dogs, they go ballistic at any kind of farm animal, and the farm animals usually skedaddle out of there, not calm enough to lay down.
Our (very handsome!) dog friend here is in the same general position when he is looking towards the thing (assuming it's large, physical, and on the path) than when he isn't. Any dog I've had goes into immediate LOOKATTHETHINGOHMYGODITSADEER mode when they so much as sense another animal, regardless of dog breed. Thus, the thing is probably not visible to it. Thus, butterfly.
Texas is cattle country but I am in San Antonio and in the suburbs, If it was farm life from the country, I would have called the police/park ranger, Walgreens and affluent subs are right outside of a very busy street. When I showed this to my friend who's an SAPD officer he's the one who told me to take it to someone, that it warranted a closer look. It was also 90 feet away from me. People's backyard share the fence with this park. This park is just stuck into our area with businesses, restaurants, houses and apartments for days.Calf/cow could explain the tail-looking bit sticking to the left and the slightly bulkier dimensions. Sheep have very short tails. Texas is also cattle territory with a capital "T". The image is too grainy and fuzzy to capture ear size. Also there are different types of cattle with different types and sizes of ears. The ears in the image may be pointing backwards rather than sideways. It's also difficult to make out whether the head is facing forward or slightly to the right.
Some images of sitting calfs and cows showing tail and ears:
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Yes it would it's what I need before I post it on less kinder forums to see if someone else has photographed or seen this. I am not a tech person, I don't know how to post or upload the pics, I have them for sure ready. I did ask before so I'm looking through messages right now and if someone provided a walkthrough of how then I'll do it.
im going to tag @Mick West he can tell you.Yes it would it's what I need before I post it on less kinder forums to see if someone else has photographed or seen this. I am not a tech person, I don't know how to post or upload the pics, I have them for sure ready. I did ask before so I'm looking through messages right now and if someone provided a walkthrough of how then I'll do it.
It was also 90 feet away from me.
Can you explain why you are so sure of this? It is between you and a point on the path that is possibly 90 feet away. If it is sitting on the ground, then it would be that far away, as far away as that point on the ground. But if it is in the air, it is closer, possibly a lot closer. And of course the closer it is, the smaller it is.was also 90 feet away from me.
If you didn't see it at the time it's kind of impossible to say that.
Actually, I think it's okay that we don't know the seconds - seems less important now.
I must be missing something. I keep looking for the 3024 x 4032 3.8mb one but all I see is smaller photos.
Help?
That's a tremendous match - great work! Has my vote.
As one who lives among cows that wander freely on the back roads I don't think it's impossible that a calf could be sitting like this while the mama was off-camera; seems like a normal occurence to me.
My big question about the calf hypothesis would be whether there are cows in that park and/or whether cows in that part of the country have the ability to wander free.
How about "medium or medium-low information zone"?
There's certainly a lot more to go on than a few pixels in a distant sky.
This is the original uncropped photo, that big black thing is 90 feet from us and I know it's big because for scale my ex is in the next pic that i took yesterday in the same spot. I also have this pic that I put through a filter but I'm not sure what it means, I don't know how to tell weight. I don't know how I would have seen a butterfly or any insect from that original photo, that would actually be incredible. Not everything is bigger in Texas, I was snapping pics and walking in that direction.Nice to see your posts have left the moderation queue.
You don't know that. It looks the same as a small black object close to you, the position in the image simply creates an optical illusion that makes you think it's sitting on the path when it's not.
Consider: If there had really been a big black object there, you'd have seen it at the time.
It's much more likely you didn't notice a butterfly.
This is the original uncropped photo
that big black thing is 90 feet from us and I know it's big because for scale my ex is in the next pic that i took yesterday
Thank you for your extreme editing! That is what I need. I am a 51 year old woman, I am not an excited young person and I appreciate this kind of breakdown. Of course nothing makes sense, not the anything about any of this picture or my day at the park.Sorry for the extreme editing but so were all on the same page, it seems you saw some sort of very large drone out your truck window, but your ex did not even though she was looking at the same place you were. Yes? And after parking you did not see a drone. Correct?
Then you took pictures while walking in the park, and while you did not notice or see anything unusual at the time, you did see something strange in 1 or 2 pictures after reviewing them. Does that sum this up?
As noted above, the shadows seem strange.
If we look at this photo, we can see the shadows are going from left to right. The sun is somewhere to the left of the scene, right?
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But when we look at a close up of the object, the shadows are going from sort of right to left. Note the pointed beak of the object casts a shadow on the "ground". It's almost opposite of the shadows of the trees. Something is not right. Maybe, as Mendel suggests, it's not a shadow at all but part of the object, but it sure looks like the beak is casting a corresponding shadow.
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Please prove this when I get these files uploaded so an old woman can understand it.
Can you explain why you are so sure of this? It is between you and a point on the path that is possibly 90 feet away. If it is sitting on the ground, then it would be that far away, as far away as that point on the ground. But if it is in the air, it is closer, possibly a lot closer. And of course the closer it is, the smaller it is.
Because I was there and it's 'sitting' next to a cactus patch and the only one at the foot of the trail and that's the only spot that WIFI is lost, it's the spot I had my ex stand in and photographed for scale after I measured the distance. I mean, it could be in Mexico, maybe my new iPhone was undersold to me for it's powerful camera. The lens can only capture so far in distance. If this was a paper photo I'd be screwed, there would just be a black dot in the distance but with zooming, I can see where it's positioned next to and find it easily.
But dogs do the same thing when they see unfamiliar inanimate objects as well. Their little canine brains run through the options, starting with "What kind of animal is that, a thing I chase or a thing that chases me?" before eventually concluding "No, it's just a broom, or maybe a new sofa cushion."Any dog I've had goes into immediate LOOKATTHETHINGOHMYGODITSADEER mode when they so much as sense another animal, regardless of dog breed.
hhmm...i think its fair to say the full size pics dont help much. just mentioning in regards to whether she needs to make the full size available on other forums.Lore has been kind enough to email larger versions of the photos, so if anyone wants to download them they're in this folder here:
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/12n6NJGQcfY_TxrYIbV9wqx7ATcLOrBpy
Not quite as large in file size as the originals but I believe the resolution is the same.
Are you saying that you saw it at the time?
Or are you saying "in the photo it kind of looks like it's in a spot that was 90 feet from me"?
If the latter, I think the people here are saying it actually looks more like something small that's close to you (eg, a butterfly).
But dogs do the same thing when they see unfamiliar inanimate objects as well. Their little canine brains run through the options, starting with "What kind of animal is that, a thing I chase or a thing that chases me?" before eventually concluding "No, it's just a broom, or maybe a new sofa cushion."
are you sure she can hear them?Naturally she's 100% not scared of fireworks or thunderstorms.
.86m ≈ 2'10" , for those accustomed to imperial units of measurementSome quick math on the camera used with the pixel count from the full size image gives a very ballpark figure of 0.86 metres away for the butterfly
Hi. Thanks for posting this, and especially, going back and taking more pics at the same spot.This is the original uncropped photo, that big black thing is 90 feet from us and I know it's big because for scale my ex is in the next pic that i took yesterday in the same spot. I also have this pic that I put through a filter but I'm not sure what it means, I don't know how to tell weight. I don't know how I would have seen a butterfly or any insect from that original photo, that would actually be incredible. Not everything is bigger in Texas, I was snapping pics and walking in that direction.
I'd say that's a strength of how this place works. In cases that are not initially obvious, you get some brainstorming, with various posts along the lines of "it looks like an (something) to me." But where True Believer sites stop at "it looks like a bigfoot/alien/ghost," folks here take the next step, and try to find evidence to back it up. So MB often identifies not just that it's a plane, but the exact plane. Not just a butterfly, but the exact species. Or the exact bumps and shudders of a camera gimbal mount.When we have multiple observers seriously analyzing the picture seeing anything ranging from bovines to butterflies, I'd say nothing's very obvious.
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if it is an invisible thing that has been following her for some time, and only appeared in this photo as a camera fluke... then it wouldnt leave a shadow.Whether it does or does not cast a shadow on the right hand side, would be useful information.
You're right, when you look at it with your helpful American Snout comparison image in mind, the butterfly hypothesis appears more obvious.
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yea i was wondering if maybe the females were less vibrant (like birds). and obviously different camera filters and/or settings -and natural lighting- would give different coloring results.I also notice that in photos taken from a certain angle they can appear somewhat leaf-like, which was also an earlier guess:
yea they are a pretty identical match as far as location.The distinctive feature on both the object in the photo and the butterfly's wing of a light/white blob located above two other light/white blobs in a sort of triangle
It has to be close, if that's it, and from the shadows around the dog, they've stopped in tree shade to take the picture. It may even have been in the darker shade of the umbrella.yea i was wondering if maybe the females were less vibrant (like birds). and obviously different camera filters and/or settings -and natural lighting- would give different coloring results.
i think it has to be close too because it is out of scene within 1 second time.It has to be close,
I think it's both, they are aligned somewhat.Oh, and here's a snippet from Texas Public Radio broadcast last month answering the question "why are there so many American Snout butterflies in the San Antonio area right now?"
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https://www.tpr.org/environment/2022-09-14/american-snout-butterflies-swarm-south-and-central-texas
In light of all the above, am I correct in thinking that the members agree the protrusion is actually the snout rather than the right wing?
I'd say that's a strength of how this place works. In cases that are not initially obvious, you get some brainstorming, with various posts along the lines of "it looks like an (something) to me." But where True Believer sites stop at "it looks like a bigfoot/alien/ghost," folks here take the next step, and try to find evidence to back it up. So MB often identifies not just that it's a plane, but the exact plane. Not just a butterfly, but the exact species. Or the exact bumps and shudders of a camera gimbal mount.
That's pretty unique on the ol' Interwebs, and the more we can show people how to do this sort of thing, the better.
Thank you @LilWabbit I appreciate the kudos, I didn't hoax this or try to put what I thought it was in it because it doesn't help anyone if we're trying to see what it is together and it does exactly that, it causes problems so that's why I presented it as it is, an unknown that I was hoping was a glitch. I have come to terms with a possible harbinger, I've seen this in my life before as I mentioned originally and just never got anything on film, I thought I was just projecting my energy. I was going to open post this to the world on some popular platform but I'm not going to. I have a connection to vultures, I have written a lot about them, I've won a couple awards for my stories about them and the last time I saw something close to this image, was the week my dog died but it was floor to ceiling and in my room for the splittest of seconds. Any time there's been a light of change, this thing appears always with a birds-ish head and this time, I got it. The first and probably only time in my life. I defo will include it in a future book because it's extraordinary and comforting.Couldn't agree more.
Threads like these are a testament to the power of group effort aligning with humble curiosity. And yet members also simultaneously showing grace in recognizing invaluable individual contributions of other members. Camaraderie was in rare display and like giddy schoolboys and schoolgirls members are revelling in the simple fun of a 'school science project'.
In the age of self-promotion and toxic rivalry, it's a rare beauty. Too rare.
P.S. Kudos to @Lore, this thread wasn't about debunking anything. Just pure dilettante science. No claims were declared at the outset, no hypotheses were stubbornly insisted. Just everyone being equally curious about what that thang is in the picture. And I think we got quite a definitive answer.