NYT: What Is Out There? The Findings So Far of a Trump-Backed U.F.O. Panel.

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The New York Times reports on the Trump administration's UAP advisory panel featuring Avi Loeb, Tim Gallaudet, Garry Nolan. (This should be a gift link that lets anyone see the story without a subscription, though you need a free NYT account.)
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The alien hunters are in charge now.

Or at least President Trump has stocked a new advisory council on U.F.O.s with a number of scientists who embrace the idea that alien technology may be lurking among us.

The new panel was created this summer amid the administration's rollout of government records about "unidentified anomalous phenomena," or U.A.P.s, as they are now officially called. It's tasked with helping unlock the mysteries of such objects.
I figured this story was worth sharing given the NYT's history of mainstreaming UFO culture, particularly with their Elizondo-driven 2017 article about the military videos.
The story hook is "As the council dives into its work, The Times took a look at the six tranches of files released this year and asked the panel and its detractors for their takes."

"What have they found?" seems like an early question to ask at this point; the answer boils down to "not much, check back later." There are a few skeptical takes on the whole effort.

There are a few paragraphs about an Oct. 2023 "fiery orb" sighting by investigators that doesn't sound familiar to me.
 
a few paragraphs about an Oct. 2023 "fiery orb" sighting by investigators that doesn't sound familiar to me.
I can;t get the article to open, but I wonder if it is it's this one:

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/war-gov-ufo-department-of-war-releases-uap-files-2026-release-3.14949/

Note: When I try to enclose the following as from an external source, it truncates it, so I have not done so. Apologies.

1. Western US Event, October 2023 — the case file


DOW-UAP-D077, AARO Unresolved Case Analysis Update: Western United States Event
AARO Case Analysis Update memo, signed Jon T. Kosloski, Director, AARO, dated 05 June 2026. Six federal law enforcement special agents (three teams of two), two days in October 2023, dusk, near a "sensitive national security site" in the western US. Pattern: an orange "mother orb" appears 1-2 s, releases 2-4 red "orbs," disappears; in one account a red orb stayed "stationary above a ridgeline for several hours." No video, photos, or sensor data — narrative only.

AARO's own disposition: flight logs confirm military aircraft were dispensing IR countermeasure flares in the area as part of a standard exercise, and radar/ADS-B correlation "strongly aligns" with ~60% of the reported activity. The residual ~40% is carried as "Unrecognized Technology (Pending)" — explicitly exclusion-based and "unsubstantiated by technical data or physical evidence." Celestial misidentification is rated "more plausible, though still unlikely" for the stationary-loitering subset. The Blue Force section notes the described characteristics "align with those of certain U.S. military technologies," with records "inconclusive" on presence.

DOW-UAP-D078, Notional Map: Western United States Event

Notional overhead map of four incidents "over a period of several days" (the D077 memo says two days): 1 "Orbs Launching Orbs," 2 "Fiery Orb" (~1,000 yd, against a ridgeline), 3 "Dark Kite" (thin dark kite-shaped object, one red and one white light, close range), 4 "Translucent Kite" (close range). genai.mil disclosure bottom-right.

Witness narrative statements (each a first-person memo to AARO):

  • DOW-UAP-D079, Narrative Statement 1, Western United States Event, 2023 (Western United States, October, 2023) — This memorandum presents the first-hand narrative from Witness 1 provided to the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO). Witness 1 was one of several United States (U.S.) federal law enforcement special agents who reported observing unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP) over a period of two days in October 2023 in the western United States. Note: also describes "thick spider web looking material" floating in the air — classic "angel hair," and October is peak ballooning-spider season.
  • DOW-UAP-D080, Narrative Statement 2, Western United States Event, 2023 (Western United States, October, 2023) — This memorandum presents the first-hand narrative from Witness 2 provided to the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO). Witness 2 was one of several United States (U.S.) federal law enforcement special agents who reported observing unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP) over a period of two days in October 2023 in the western United States. Note: includes car headlights "morphing" into an orb-like light and an "orb-like-disc" gliding to the roadside that was gone when they reached it; compares the experience to "portals."
  • DOW-UAP-D081, Narrative Statement 3, Western United States Event, 2023 (Western United States, October, 2023) — This memorandum presents the first-hand narrative from Witness 3 provided to the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO). Witness 3 was one of several United States (U.S.) federal law enforcement special agents who reported observing unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP) over a period of two days in October 2023 in the western United States. Note: NVG-equipped; orange orb crossed ~20° of sky in 3-5 s, expelled three red orbs "mechanical[ly]" "like grapes being expelled from a basketball," red orbs ran south in a line at ~1 s spacing; orbs were gone when a nearby vehicle left.
  • DOW-UAP-D082, Narrative Statement 4, Western United States Event, 2023 (Western United States, October, 2023) — This memorandum presents the first-hand narrative from Witness 4 provided to the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO). Witness 4 was one of several United States (U.S.) federal law enforcement special agents who reported observing unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP) over a period of two days in October 2023 in the western United States.
  • DOW-UAP-D083, Narrative Statement 5, Western United States Event, 2023 (Western United States, October, 2023) (redacted) — This memorandum presents the first-hand narrative from Witness 5 provided to the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO). Witness 5 was one of several United States (U.S.) federal law enforcement special agents who reported observing unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP) over a period of two days in October 2023 in the western United States. Note: two red orbs released simultaneously, one steady and horizontal; all lights out in ~10 s — consistent with sequential flare burn-out.
AI renderings (FBI-prepared, genai.mil): FBI-UAP-D014/D015/D021 illustrate D079 (Incident 1); D016-D020/D022/D023 illustrate D080 (Incident 2). Links:

FBI-UAP-PR005, Digital Recreation, Narrative Statement 3-1, Western United States Event, 2023
 
That's it!
The NYT story has that map and this description:
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Highlights From the New Files

Two federal agents were tasked in 2023 with investigating drone activity around sensitive sites in the western United States. On a clear October night, they came across a series of fast-moving lights. The agents turned off their headlights and sped toward the illuminated cluster, guided by night-vision equipment.

As they got closer, the lights converged into "one bright white/orange orb-like light with a halo-like glow," one of the agents reported in a recently declassified document. They got within 50 yards, then the object moved rapidly in a different direction and then shifted again when they tried following, before disappearing.

The agents pulled over. The orb reappeared. This time, it spawned a collection of orange and purple lights that whizzed over "four miles of rugged terrain." The fruitless pursuit resumed. One of the agents likened it to chasing "the flying car from the Harry Potter book series."

They were among half a dozen agents who "reported observing 'orbs launching other orbs'" over a two-day period, according to a recent Pentagon memorandum.
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Whatever the origin, such enigmatic episodes are understandably tantalizing....
 
That's it!
The NYT story has that map and this description:
External Quote:

Highlights From the New Files

Two federal agents were tasked in 2023 with investigating drone activity around sensitive sites in the western United States. On a clear October night, they came across a series of fast-moving lights. The agents turned off their headlights and sped toward the illuminated cluster, guided by night-vision equipment.

As they got closer, the lights converged into "one bright white/orange orb-like light with a halo-like glow," one of the agents reported in a recently declassified document. They got within 50 yards, then the object moved rapidly in a different direction and then shifted again when they tried following, before disappearing.

The agents pulled over. The orb reappeared. This time, it spawned a collection of orange and purple lights that whizzed over "four miles of rugged terrain." The fruitless pursuit resumed. One of the agents likened it to chasing "the flying car from the Harry Potter book series."

They were among half a dozen agents who "reported observing 'orbs launching other orbs'" over a two-day period, according to a recent Pentagon memorandum.
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Whatever the origin, such enigmatic episodes are understandably tantalizing....
They were investigating drone activity around sensitive sights and NOBODY GAVE THEM A CAMERA!!!
Were they supposed to grab the drones out of the air with their hands?

Food for conspiracy fans: "they were sent out without the proper tools for the job so they could not get pictures of the reverse engineered UFO's."
 
For those who are interested, you can read an archived copy of this article. The most interesting revelation is not about the UAP Advisory Council itself, but rather the NYT compiling its own UAP record database of 155,000 unique pages, and finding nothing.

Article:

What Is Out There? The Findings So Far of a Trump-Backed U.F.O. Panel.

Uncovering evidence of alien life would be "the biggest discovery ever made by humanity," one expert said. But so far, there's a lot of blurry photos and unconfirmed reports.

NYT Oct 2, 2026
...
"Even if one in a million happens to be of extraterrestrial technological origin, it would be the biggest discovery ever made by humanity in the context of science," said Avi Loeb, a theoretical astrophysicist at Harvard and chairman of the administration's new panel.
...
Critics see the government panel as diverting from the sober works of similar past groups and dovetailing with the administration's hostility toward much of mainstream science.

Dr. Loeb is most notable for having theorized that Oumuamua, the cigar-shaped interstellar object that passed through the solar system a few years ago, was alien in origin and "the first sign of intelligent life beyond earth." The hypothesis sparked controversy and plenty of academic pushback.
...
"I think it's laughable at the least and a waste of taxpayers dollars at the most. It serves absolutely zero purpose," said Sean Kirkpatrick, who worked under the Biden administration as a director of the Pentagon's All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, which leads efforts within the government to track unexplained phenomenon. He said the new council was "clearly meant to distract and push fringe theory."

Michael Shermer, a council member, acknowledged that many sightings are "stuck in this kind of low-information zone" where "you can't quite make out what's going on."
...
Dr. Loeb, the council chair, believes improved data collection practices could help going forward.

"We can't go back in time and improve the data," he said.
...
Greg Eghigian, a Penn State professor who has studied U.A.P.s, said there was "nothing especially new or earth-shattering in the materials."

"Most longtime U.F.O. researchers I know remain unimpressed by what's been released."
...
This year, The Times created a database of about 155,000 unique pages of U.A.P. records from seven countries but found no definitive signs that the mother ship has landed.
...
(Peter Skafish, council member)
"The intelligence community was not made to share information," he said. "It exists to collect, analyze, withhold it, keep it secret."

He was cautiously optimistic that the council could pry loose more files. But most members lack security clearances, raising doubts about what they can really do.
...
A Word From the 'Devil's Advocate'
Mr. Shermer said the council has met with people who say they have not seen spaceships but "know people who know where these objects are that the government has."

When the council asks "'OK, well, who is that?'" the typical response it gets, he said, is "Well, I can't tell you."

He and Dr. Loeb have a $1,000 bet about aliens being found by 2030.

"I said they won't, he says they will," Mr. Shermer said. "I hope he wins."

Our friend LIZ gets an honorary mention from Mr Shermer. Apparently even those who approached this enthusiast-stacked Council as "informants" still refuse to identify any actual witnesses who can point to any actual evidence.

The posturing and bluffing of such "informants" couldn't be more obvious.
 
Our friend LIZ gets an honorary mention from Mr Shermer. Apparently even those who approached this enthusiast-stacked Council as "informants" still refuse to identify any actual witnesses who can point to any actual evidence.

The posturing and bluffing of such "informants" couldn't be more obvious.
If there really was anything to know, and if these people genuinely feared for their life, this is exactly suicidal behaviour. An evil government loves to eliminate informants before their information becomes public. Saying, in effect, "I know your biggest secret, but I haven't told anyone yet" would make them a huge target. The fact that they do this indicates to me that they don't really believe their own narrative.

Real, actual whistleblowers say almost nothing before they publish everything they have. Once the information is out there, eliminating its bearer serves no purpose other than to validate it.
 
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(Peter Skafish, council member)
"The intelligence community was not made to share information," he said. "It exists to collect, analyze, withhold it, keep it secret."

He was cautiously optimistic that the council could pry loose more files. But most members lack security clearances, raising doubts about what they can really do.
Seems like an odd statement given that Loeb was clear that they will not be working with classified data.

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/av...ory-council-for-white-house.14956/post-371955

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Loeb: All the data that we will study is unclassified and therefore we could share our conclusions, our analysis, our recommendations with the public. There will be no classified data brought to our attention, and that's a great blessing because scientific work is based founded on transparency and sharing of information. Everyone should be able to understand what we are talking about if we explain it well enough. And so my hope is that we will be able to promote a resolution to uh the mystery of uh UAPs unidentified anomalous phenomena. At the moment their nature is unclear.
 
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At the moment their nature is unclear.
Says the guy who wants every interstellar object to be a spaceship.
Loeb profits off any unclarity he can find to push a narrative that gets him attention.
Note that he's about to "be able to promote a resolution to uh the mystery of uh UAPs" when he could've said "we're trying to solve the mystery". What he's doing is that he's obfuscating with language, not promoting clarity; and it is my prediction that the UFO panel will do the same.

You know how does the actual resolving? The All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office. :-p
 
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For those who are interested, you can read an archived copy of this article. The most interesting revelation is not about the UAP Advisory Council itself, but rather the NYT compiling its own UAP record database of 155,000 unique pages, and finding nothing.

Article:

What Is Out There? The Findings So Far of a Trump-Backed U.F.O. Panel.

Uncovering evidence of alien life would be "the biggest discovery ever made by humanity," one expert said. But so far, there's a lot of blurry photos and unconfirmed reports.

NYT Oct 2, 2026
...
"Even if one in a million happens to be of extraterrestrial technological origin, it would be the biggest discovery ever made by humanity in the context of science," said Avi Loeb, a theoretical astrophysicist at Harvard and chairman of the administration's new panel.
...
Critics see the government panel as diverting from the sober works of similar past groups and dovetailing with the administration's hostility toward much of mainstream science.

Dr. Loeb is most notable for having theorized that Oumuamua, the cigar-shaped interstellar object that passed through the solar system a few years ago, was alien in origin and "the first sign of intelligent life beyond earth." The hypothesis sparked controversy and plenty of academic pushback.
...
"I think it's laughable at the least and a waste of taxpayers dollars at the most. It serves absolutely zero purpose," said Sean Kirkpatrick, who worked under the Biden administration as a director of the Pentagon's All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, which leads efforts within the government to track unexplained phenomenon. He said the new council was "clearly meant to distract and push fringe theory."

Michael Shermer, a council member, acknowledged that many sightings are "stuck in this kind of low-information zone" where "you can't quite make out what's going on."
...
Dr. Loeb, the council chair, believes improved data collection practices could help going forward.

"We can't go back in time and improve the data," he said.
...
Greg Eghigian, a Penn State professor who has studied U.A.P.s, said there was "nothing especially new or earth-shattering in the materials."

"Most longtime U.F.O. researchers I know remain unimpressed by what's been released."
...
This year, The Times created a database of about 155,000 unique pages of U.A.P. records from seven countries but found no definitive signs that the mother ship has landed.
...
(Peter Skafish, council member)
"The intelligence community was not made to share information," he said. "It exists to collect, analyze, withhold it, keep it secret."

He was cautiously optimistic that the council could pry loose more files. But most members lack security clearances, raising doubts about what they can really do.
...
A Word From the 'Devil's Advocate'
Mr. Shermer said the council has met with people who say they have not seen spaceships but "know people who know where these objects are that the government has."

When the council asks "'OK, well, who is that?'" the typical response it gets, he said, is "Well, I can't tell you."

He and Dr. Loeb have a $1,000 bet about aliens being found by 2030.

"I said they won't, he says they will," Mr. Shermer said. "I hope he wins."

Our friend LIZ gets an honorary mention from Mr Shermer. Apparently even those who approached this enthusiast-stacked Council as "informants" still refuse to identify any actual witnesses who can point to any actual evidence.

The posturing and bluffing of such "informants" couldn't be more obvious.

So, basically the same old story, just with a new panel and a lot more publicity.

Claims of hidden evidence, unnamed insiders, blurry images, unexplained cases and "someone who knows someone"... but still nothing independently verifiable that demonstrates extraterrestrial technology.

Even after 80+ years, all the records reviewed and all the people making these claims, we're still waiting for the elusive Exhibit A.
 
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(Peter Skafish, council member)
"The intelligence community was not made to share information," he said. "It exists to collect, analyze, withhold it, keep it secret."

He was cautiously optimistic that the council could pry loose more files. But most members lack security clearances, raising doubts about what they can really do.
Seems like an odd statement given that Loeb was clear that they will not be working with classified data.

Skafish is Sol. I don't expect sensible things to come out of any of their mouths. Skafish, of course, is prime Sol:
Quoth https://www.theinstitute.com/fellow/peter-skafish -
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Peter is a sociocultural anthropologist who works between his discipline and philosophy on how ideas, cosmologies, and translation shape the diversity of human thought and experience.
At this point, as I read out the paragraph, the anthropologist in the room, M.Phil. (Cantab.), Ph.D. (Cantab.), sighed very loudly, and in response to my question "should I read the next sentence?" responded "no", fairly emphatically. So I continued:
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He is engaged in research that employs anthropological perspectives on pluralism, cosmology, modernity and religion to anticipate how the sort of nonhuman beings that we imagine to design UAP might think, and in what ways this thinking is likely to be both commensurate and incommensurate with our own.
I'm sleeping on the sofa tonight...
 
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