Nicole Shanahan, Advisor to RFK Jr, "Chemtrails" video 23rd February 2025

[deirdre]

and what she doesn't understand she has misinterpreted because of ignorance and blindly following a narrative by siloed people.

true or not, you might want to avoid those types of judgement words when speaking directly to believers, or directing them to this site.

 

[Ann K]

my "objection"-if that's what we're calling it- is that wouldn't the dark areas indicate "dry" more than the area Ann is calling dry? i see cloud cover in ann's area.

are those contrails near anns red line? or are those those stripey clouds at a different altitude? do planes even fly there?

Yes, planes fly there.
Yes, they're contrails.
Yes, the darker areas are dryer/warmer air.
Yes, you see some cloud cover but it's at a different altitude.

I chose to highlight that particular area because it's so obvious, but you can see a number of other examples in just that single photo where there's a boundary between where the contrails are visible and where they all stop.

 

[Jay Reynolds]

are those contrails near anns red line? or are those those stripey clouds at a different altitude? do planes even fly there?

Yes, but a static image doesn't tell the whole story. Some of those contrails and clouds may have drifted to the east, and at flight levels air can be moving @ >77mph

 

[deirdre]

Yes, but a static image doesn't tell the whole story. Some of those contrails and clouds may have drifted to the east, and at flight levels air can be moving @ >77mph

you realize i spent 5 years moderating and reading contrail threads right? Do you honestly believe those are contrails (its fine if you do) or is it just convenient to say they are?

 

[Jay Reynolds]

you realize i spent 5 years moderating and reading contrail threads right? Do you honestly believe those are contrails (its fine if you do) or is it just convenient to say they are?

Below the red line looks consistent with contrails to me, honestly. If you check the series of preceding images you could probably disprove that. There are many contrails in the image all over the SE. Maybe you could specify exactly which you honestly believe are contrails and which you believe are not.

https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/img_0950-jpeg.77780/

Dierdre I'm sensing you aren't very happy with me lately. You are making frequent criticisms of me and others about very minor things. Yes, I know you have been queen bee a long time around here. I don't intend to be an interloper. I got away from this stuff for years at a time, but they seem to be making some moves and especially in my personal space here in Florida. If I'm not welcome just come out and say it, no need to be passive aggressive.

 

[deirdre]

Maybe you could specify exactly which you honestly believe are contrails and which you believe are not.

it doesnt matter. the only discussion is about Anne's claim.

But you're right about me "criticizing" or trying to combat misinformation on MB. What do i care if information about contrails is [or possibly is] bunk or dishonest. I dont really. Old habits are hard to shake though, i'll try to do better.

Dierdre I'm sensing you aren't very happy with me lately. You are making frequent criticisms of me and others about very minor things

I'm just trying to help you meet your stated goals. If constructive criticism isn't your thing, then i wont provide insight from a laymen and female perspective for you anymore.

Yes, I know you have been queen bee a long time around here. I don't intend to be an interloper.

You certainly are not an interloper. and I'm certainly not queen bee, i just nag because i still think the old MB policy was the most effective in tamping down disinformation. You are certainly free to ignore me.

 

[MyMatesBrainwashed]

That meme describes exactly what water vapour does.

Am I supposed to believe that aluminium (or barium or whatever) DOES linger, disperse and whiteout the entire sky?

[...]

 

[FatPhil]

my "objection"-if that's what we're calling it- is that wouldn't the dark areas indicate "dry" more than the area Ann is calling dry? i see cloud cover in ann's area.

are those contrails near anns red line? or are those those stripey clouds at a different altitude? do planes even fly there?

Did you read what I wrote?

 

[Ann K]

But you're right about me "criticizing" or trying to combat misinformation on MB. What do i care if information about contrails is [or possibly is] bunk or dishonest. I dont really. Old habits are hard to shake though, i'll try to do better.

Are you suggesting I posted "misinformation"? Is there "bunk or dishonest" info in there? If so, I'm afraid you'll have to be specific about the details, rather than just being disdainful, because it's not my intention to do so.

 

[deirdre]

Did you read what I wrote?

why do people expect me to answer questions, when my questions are not answered?

but yes, i did read what you wrote.

 

[Mendel]

my "objection"-if that's what we're calling it- is that wouldn't the dark areas indicate "dry" more than the area Ann is calling dry? i see cloud cover in ann's area.

these cumolonimbus clouds have a bottom that is very defined. Would you say that the air above that lower border is "wet" and below it is "dry" and that just so happens at that altitude? or would you recognize that cloud formation depends on 1) humidity, 2) temperature, 3) pressure and that the bottom border is a pressure line above which clouds form, and below they don't, with humidity being pretty much the same above and below?

and these border lines of temperature or pressure can also happen laterally, as an old-fashioned weather chart would show high-pressure and low-pressure zones, cloud formation can align with that, or with air mass temperature, or (obviously) with humidity, but it need not be that.

 

[deirdre]

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these cumolonimbus clouds have a bottom that is very defined. Would you say that the air above that lower border is "wet" and below it is "dry" and that just so happens at that altitude? or would you recognize that cloud formation depends on 1) humidity, 2) temperature, 3) pressure and that the bottom border is a pressure line above which clouds form, and below they don't, with humidity being pretty much the same above and below?

and these border lines of temperature or pressure can also happen laterally, as an old-fashioned weather chart would show high-pressure and low-pressure zones, cloud formation can align with that, or with air mass temperature, or (obviously) with humidity, but it need not be that.

what does that have to do with whether or not those are contrails abruptly cutting off due to "dry" above the red line theory?

if everyone on on MB, besides me, thinks those are contrails cutting off at the red line due to dry weather above the line, fine. we'll go with that. because i reminded myself earlier that i dont care one way or the other.

 

[JMartJr]

what does that have to do with whether or not those are contrails abruptly cutting off due to "dry" above the red line theory?

SOMETHING seems to change at the red line. It might be the amount of water in the air, it might be temperature, or both -- in either case would it not be the RELATIVE humidity that changes and makes contrails stop forming (or start forming, some planes are surely going the other way!) when that line is crossed that line? That's as far as this tiny bit of meteorology knowing that I have will carry me! ^_^

 

[deirdre]

SOMETHING seems to change at the red line.

i agree. but the claim is they are contrails. and that contrails end in dry conditions. (they sublimate actually)

now contrails DO end in dry conditions. just like clouds do end in dry conditions.

Fine.
But if debunkers try to present that as PROOF that contrails end in dry weather, and they are not contrails in the first place then credibility is lost for the chemtrail believer.
I personally dont think they are contrails because it is atypical for a bunch of contrails to blow that far west (regarding flight paths) and stay perfectly straight. (I'm saying west, because the blow out edges of the lines are to the west.) you see form Jay's chart that wind typically does not blow due west or east.

bottomline: if @Jay Reynolds the only contrail guy in this thread says they are "consistent with contrails" and all other non-contrail members agree with him, then we'll go with that. It's fine.

 

[Ann K]

if everyone on on MB, besides me, thinks those are contrails cutting off at the red line due to dry weather above the line, fine.

What alternative identification do you have? I find it hard to follow your train of thought.

 

[FatPhil]

why do people expect me to answer questions, when my questions are not answered?

How the flying fuck do you think my response to your "what makes you think the air north of that red line is dry?" didn't answer that question?

 

[Mendel]

How the flying fuck do you think my response to your "what makes you think the air north of that red line is dry?" didn't answer that question?

@deirdre wrote she read your post, not that she understood it.
In fact, she posted follow-up questions in #80, as many of us do when we don't understand something. You did not answer these.

 

[Jay Reynolds]

Jay's chart that wind typically does not blow due west or east.

No, I was showing a snapshot in time with that earthnullschool screen shot. Wind can blow any direction and even opposite directions at different levels. The historic archives probably has a satellite loop which could let you see. My thought would be the contrails under the red line were formed by multiple flights along a single airway close to the coast which then drifted eastward.

 

[JMartJr]

My thought would be the contrails under the red line were formed by multiple flights along a single airway

Or multiple flights along several parallel airways, which would mean that each contrail would not have to drift so far tog give the effect we see.

 

[Jay Reynolds]

Or multiple flights along several parallel airways, which would mean that each contrail would not have to drift so far tog give the effect we see.

Im basing my judgement on them having drifted east into being within the military operations area offshore, which does show on my skyvector Nav chart.

Which brings me to a question. I'm trying to find a good source for archived satellite loops. That would tell the tale and I've been away too long, don't know a good free source anymore where you can enter a date and see an archived loop from past years. Can anyone help?

So far this is the best I've found:
https://rammb-slider.cira.colostate...s=rammb-slider&draw_color=FFD700&draw_width=6

 

[MonkeeSage]

So far this is the best I've found:
https://rammb-slider.cira.colostate.edu/?sat=goes-16&sec=full_disk&x=10848&y=10854.39990234375&z=0&angle=0&im=12&ts=1&st=0&et=0&speed=130&motion=loop&maps[borders]=white&p[0]=geocolor&opacity[0]=1&pause=0&slider=-1&hide_controls=0&mouse_draw=0&follow_feature=0&follow_hide=0&s=rammb-slider&draw_color=FFD700&draw_width=6

I couldn't get that site to load in firefox but here are GOES-16, GOES-18 and Himawari-8 links directly:

https://www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/goes/fulldisk_band.php?sat=G16&band=GEOCOLOR&length=12&dim=0
https://www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/goes/fulldisk_band.php?sat=G18&band=GEOCOLOR&length=12&dim=0
https://himawari8.nict.go.jp/

 

[Jay Reynolds]

I couldn't get that site to load in firefox but here are GOES-16, GOES-18 and Himawari-8 links directly:

https://www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/goes/fulldisk_band.php?sat=G16&band=GEOCOLOR&length=12&dim=0
https://www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/goes/fulldisk_band.php?sat=G18&band=GEOCOLOR&length=12&dim=0
https://himawari8.nict.go.jp/

But it looks to me like all of those just have current or last day's loops. I'm looking for something older, even a year ago. Maybe Im missing something?

 

[MonkeeSage]

But it looks to me like all of those just have current or last day's loops. I'm looking for something older, even a year ago. Maybe Im missing something?

Ah, I missed the second part of the question about archived sources, my bad!

 

[eleggua]

The most dangerous time in a cult is when they feel backed into a corner. That is when things go really bad.


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypOgL4n-950

e.g. The Branch Davidians in Waco, 1993.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch_Davidians#Federal_siege

"Of the eighty-five Branch Davidians in the compound when the final siege began, seventy-six died on April 19 in various ways, from falling rubble to suffocating effects of the fire, or by gunshot from fellow Branch Davidians. The siege had lasted fifty-one days."

 

[TEEJ]

Nicole Shanahan has been listening to "whistleblowers".


Source: https://x.com/NicoleShanahan/status/1908949871450866056

 

[Jay Reynolds]

Nicole Shanahan has been listening to "whistleblowers".


Source: https://x.com/NicoleShanahan/status/1908949871450866056

Whoever she is listening to aren't whistleblowers. If they were they would produce a date, some names, some plane tail numbers, places times and dates they departed from. No real whistleblower will come out without that sort of information. If they just tell you a story without those things it is "self serving" and somebody spinning a yarn.

 

[MapperGuy]

Whoever she is listening to aren't whistleblowers. If they were they would produce a date, some names, some plane tail numbers, places times and dates they departed from. No real whistleblower will come out without that sort of information. If they just tell you a story without those things it is "self serving" and somebody spinning a yarn.

Expect to hear that the "whistleblowers" can't provide any details because that would enable the MIB to hunt them down and silence them. Of course without details they have effectively silenced themselves, so why are they bothering to say anything?

 

[deirdre]

Whoever she is listening to aren't whistleblowers

maybe they are people like Kristen

Caleb Leverett "That leads me to my next question. You said in your speech that you were in charge of these Aluminium or the Bromide or whatever these chemical were? Did you see first hand of these massive chemicals coming from these nameless companies actually loaded up into like a 747, a commercial jet, or even an air force jet? Did you actually see the chemicals being loaded up in there?"

Kristen Meghan "No and I never claimed to see them to go onto aircraft. ...."

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/kristen-meghan-former-us-air-force-whistle-blower.1066/post-137439


To be fair, back in the day airplanes accounted as the second highest global warming culprit (i believe cargo ships was #1). so while she is getting regular airplane exhaust confused with "geoengineering" her tweet doesn't sound too off to me. Maybe her goal really IS to just kill the airline industry (as she hypocritically flies around in private jets).

 

[TEEJ]

RFK Jr on Dr Phil Show, 29 April 2025. During question and answer session.

Senator Kennedy my name is Emily and my biggest concern is the stratospheric aerosol injections that are continously peppered on us every day. Bromium, Aluminum, Strontium it is sprayed in our skies all day long and I know that you have you talked to Dane Wigington about this he seems to be one of the experts in the field .... how do we stop it?

RFK Jr,

That is not happening in my agency. We don't do that it is done we think by DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) and a lot it now is coming out of the jet fuel. So those materials are put in jet fuel. I'm going to do everything in my power to stop it. We are bringing on somebody who is only going to think about that, find out who is doing it and finding them accountable.

Video link will play at set time.


Source: https://youtu.be/ZofNzZ8UoPk?t=4622


I wonder if he is re-considering bringing Jim Lee? Jim was considered by RFK Jr for his team when he was running his Presidential campaign.

 

[RTM]

I'm sure the employees at DARPA were delighted to get thrown under the bus.

 

[NorCal Dave]

RFK Jr on Dr Phil Show, 29 April 2025.

That is not happening in my agency. We don't do that it is done we think by DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) and a lot it now is coming out of the jet fuel. So those materials are put in jet fuel.

I'm not completely up to date on all chemtrail claims, but do I detect a bit of backpedaling right into a corner? I've always understood that the nefarious chemicals are loaded onboard the aircraft to be sprayed as needed. While this made it hard to prove since no one can find the needed infrastructure or aircraft actually being loaded, it does allow for the out that there may be contrails and chemtrails. Only aircraft loaded with chemicals are spraying chemtrails. Claiming that the chemicals are in the jet fuel negates the problem of anyone seeing the aircraft being loaded but means ALL the contrails are chemtrails. He needs to shut down commercial aviation. That's a big ask.

 

[jarlrmai]

That's the essential collision course of jumping on the chemtrail conspiracy bandwagon.

To chemtrail believers all contrails are chemtrails, what happens when it can't be solved without shutting down commercial aviation?

Will there be a sea change in the conspiracy theory? Will they somehow be mollified by RFK saying 'oh we stopped that' and now the contrails are just contrails. How revisionist would they get, a split along political grounds? What happens if the Dems get back in, are they suddenly all chemtrails again?

What happens next, it's absolutely fascinating to see a conspiracy like this suddenly backed by government are the highest levels. (As utterly horrifying as it really is, RFK really is a danger to the health and wellbeing of everyone.)

Cynical me says the airline industry gets involved, money changes hands and it all goes quiet, but that where does that leave the chemtrail movement? Having the literal government basically confirm your fears and literally blame it on his own military, wild times.

 

[Ann K]

Oh by all means, let's ask RFK jr to explain chemtrails. After all, he is in charge of our health recommendations now.

A year ago, the long-time anti-vaccine advocate and current US health secretary famously told The New York Times that a parasitic worm "got into my brain and ate a portion of it and then died." The startling revelation is now frequently referenced whenever Kennedy says something outlandish, false, or offensive—which is often. For those who have followed his anti-vaccine advocacy, it's frightfully clear that, worm-infested or not, Kennedy's brain is marinated in wild conspiracy theories and dangerous misinformation.
......
The trouble is that now that Kennedy is the country's top health official, his warped ideas are contributing to the rise of a dystopian reality. Federal health agencies are spiraling into chaos, and critical public health services for Americans have been brutally slashed, dismantled, or knee-capped—from infectious disease responses, the lead poisoning team, and Meals on Wheels to maternal health programs and anti-smoking initiatives, just to name a few. The health of the nation is at stake; the struggle to understand what goes on in Kennedy's head is vital.

While we may never have definitive answers on his cognitive situation, one thing is plain: Kennedy's thoughts and actions make a lot more sense when you realize he doesn't believe in a foundational scientific principle: germ theory.

Dueling theories
Germ theory is, of course, the 19th-century proven idea that microscopic germs—pathogenic viruses, bacteria, parasites, and fungi—cause disease. It supplanted the leading explanation of disease at the time, the miasma theory, which suggests that diseases are caused by miasma, that is, noxious mists and vapors, or simply bad air arising from decaying matter, such as corpses, sewage, or rotting vegetables. While the miasma theory was abandoned, it is credited with spurring improvements in sanitation and hygiene—which, of course, improve health because they halt the spread of germs, the cause of diseases.

https://arstechnica.com/health/2025...ance-is-rooted-in-a-disbelief-in-germ-theory/

 

[MonkeeSage]

That is not happening in my agency. We don't do that it is done we think by DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) and a lot it now is coming out of the jet fuel. So those materials are put in jet fuel. I'm going to do everything in my power to stop it. We are bringing on somebody who is only going to think about that, find out who is doing it and finding them accountable.

Sulfur Dioxide (SO2) has been known to have negative climate and health effects for a while, with some proposals to drastically reduce it in jet fuel.

For example Kapadia, et al, Impacts of aviation fuel sulfur content on climate and human health, 2016.

Ultra-low sulfur jet fuel (ULSJ; FSC = 15 ppm) has been proposed as an option to reduce the adverse health impacts of aviation-induced PM2.5​. We calculate that swapping the global aviation fleet to ULSJ fuel would reduce the global aviation-induced mortality rate by ∼620 [95 % CI: 230–1020] mortalities a−1​ and increase REcomb​ by +7.0 mW m−2​.

When the shipping industry drastically reduced SO2 from fuel by 80% in 2020, it accidentally created a forced warming effect and changes to percipitation.

Yuan, et al, Abrupt reduction in shipping emission as an inadvertent geoengineering termination shock produces substantial radiative warming, 2024.

Human activities affect the Earth's climate through modifying the composition of the atmosphere, which then creates radiative forcing that drives climate change. The warming effect of anthropogenic greenhouse gases has been partially balanced by the cooling effect of anthropogenic aerosols. In 2020, fuel regulations abruptly reduced the emission of sulfur dioxide from international shipping by about 80% and created an inadvertent geoengineering termination shock with global impact. Here we estimate the regulation leads to a radiative forcing of ＋0.2 ± 0.11Wm−2​ averaged over the global ocean. The amount of radiative forcing could lead to a doubling (or more) of the warming rate in the 2020 s compared with the rate since 1980 with strong spatiotemporal heterogeneity. The warming effect is consistent with the recent observed strong warming in 2023 and expected to make the 2020 s anomalously warm. The forcing is equivalent in magnitude to 80% of the measured increase in planetary heat uptake since 2020. The radiative forcing also has strong hemispheric contrast, which has important implications for precipitation pattern changes. Our result suggests marine cloud brightening may be a viable geoengineering method in temporarily cooling the climate that has its unique challenges due to inherent spatiotemporal heterogeneity.

These kinds of considerations that should be seriously examined before any changes in jet fuel formula be proposed. We are already "geoengineering" even if it wasn't intentional.

 

[Mendel]

I'm sure the employees at DARPA were delighted to get thrown under the bus.

DARPA sponsors a lot of research. The Internet was invented on DARPA's dime.

Claiming that the chemicals are in the jet fuel negates the problem of anyone seeing the aircraft being loaded but means ALL the contrails are chemtrails. He needs to shut down commercial aviation. That's a big ask

He needs to regulate "clean jet fuel".

As @MonkeeSage explained, that'd be in line with Trump's efforts to stop mitigating climate change and withdraw from the Paris agreement, and to show Greta Thunberg and "the woke mob" what's what.

 

[Trailblazer]

Nicole Shanahan has been listening to "whistleblowers".


Source: https://x.com/NicoleShanahan/status/1908949871450866056

That tweet seems to highlight an interesting and rather significant point of confusion.

the biggest contributor to our atmospheric pollution (or PPM which is used to assess climate change)

She seems to be conflating "ppm" (parts per million [of CO₂] in the atmosphere), which is indeed a common marker used in climate change discussions, with PM10​, PM2.5​ etc (particulate matter smaller than 10/2.5 microns etc), which is a measure of particulate air pollution: bad for health, and a contributor to smogs etc, but rather less relevant when it comes to climate change.

 

[cloudspotter]

That is not happening in my agency. We don't do that it is done we think by DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) and a lot it now is coming out of the jet fuel. So those materials are put in jet fuel. I'm going to do everything in my power to stop it. We are bringing on somebody who is only going to think about that, find out who is doing it and finding them accountable.

DARPA report to senior DoD officials so chemtrail proponents just need to wait for all to be revealed in a Signal chat

 

[NorCal Dave]

He needs to regulate "clean jet fuel".

Agreed. But if the nefarious chemicals are being "added" to jet fuel the way lead was added to gasoline way back when, then that's easily proven. Go get some samples of jet fuel and show the added aluminum and barium and whatever else they claim. That assumes these chemicals could even be added to jet fuel effectively.

If RFK or anyone else manages to ban the addition of a list of chemtrail chemicals in jet fuel, effectively banning something that is not happening, and there are still contrails, then what? Some may be satisfied that the supposed ban means what they see are just contrails, but for many of them contrails are chemtrails. Even with a ban, on certain days in certain areas the skies will be crisscrossed with contrails, just like before any ban.

I think they're just backing themselves into a corner, where they'll need fringier and ever more conspiratorial explanations. Wiginton and his followers are fine with that, but it may look increasingly bad to the general public.

The Facebook page for our little town, which is often filled with all kinds of nonsense, superstitions and old wife's tales, had someone post a chemtrail photo and claim. Again, this is not a hotbed of skeptical thinkers and we are just down the road (75 miles) from Wiginton's base of Redding. Still, after comments were shut off north of 60, all but a few called the chemtrail person out for spreading a conspiracy theory.

I just don't think chemtrails sells as well as some in the community think it does.

 

[Trailblazer]

I just don't think chemtrails sells as well as some in the community think it does.

Maybe, but my local town Facebook group has had a few threads on days with impressive contrail grids where more than a few people have been sharing chemtrail ideas. Generally the voices of reason have been in the majority, but not by much.

 

[yoshy]

I'm sure the employees at DARPA were delighted to get thrown under the bus.

DARPA is used to it. They were involved with HAARP, which used to be one of the primary targets for conspiracy theorists. (I actually thought it was completely shut down by now, but it's actually still running, just owned and administered by the University of Alaska. You can even submit a research proposal to use it!)