News Nation - Light in the Sky video - Tedesco Brothers

jimmyslippin said:
Chairman of the I.E.E.E
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??? This must be missing some info?

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From this PDF I'm seeing that John was the chair of the Product Safety Engineering society chapter for the Long Island section of the Northeastern US region of the IEEE. The Northeast US region alone has 22 sections spanning many societies. I'm not meaning to diminish this title but this is quite different from "Chairman of the IEEE".

https://ieee.li/wp-content/uploads/2019_IEEE-LI_Awards-Banquet_Brochure.pdf
 
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jimmyslippin said:
Here are the claimed qualifications of the Tedesco brothers taken from the description of a video on the Erika Lukes | Expanding Frontiers Youtube channel, where they were interviewed by Erika.
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John Tedesco, M.Ed, BSEE., CET - has worked as a chief electronics projects engineer and senior R&D / Safety engineer for Underwriters Laboratories for over 20 years. In that role, he has done extensive designs and builds of state-of-the-art analytical test instrumentation for the laboratories, and extensive performance test research into new technological products on the market, as well as safety testing. John has also served as the Chairman of the I.E.E.E., which is responsible for the advancement of technology for humanity, assisting the NTSB in airliner crash analysis, and also conduct scientific peer-reviews on new technologies for the scientific community. There is virtually no piece of technology on the market, that John hasn't had significant hands-on experience with (including advanced power systems, imaging systems, communications, Optronics, thermography, acoustics systems, etc.) John is also a professional Educator specializing in the Technical education of complex electronics theory and concepts, which he has taught professionally for several years.

Gerald (Gerry) Tedesco, BSc., BEA - Began his professional career in both Public Health and Forensic science. He worked as an EMT, a Forensics lab analyst for the Suffolk County Office of the Medical Examiner, a Laboratory Technician for Underwriters Laboratories, and a Behavioral Evidence Analyst (criminal profiler), where he served as a Forensics Consultant on the Terri Schiavo case. Gerry then changed careers and trained in CADD and engineering technologies, where he worked in the military defense contractors industry for 30 years. In that role, he held a DoD Secret Clearance to work in widely diversified areas of sensitive defense technologies, such as RSTA and Aviation/Avionics systems for the armed forces and Homeland Security.
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Wow! I can see why they might think they know what all equipment they need to detect
irregularities in the skies. But perhaps some overconfidence in their own abilities.
I don't see anything in there about a basic understanding of the sky...

ETA: Assuming that that is actually all true, of course...
 
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Mendel said:
What do the titles mean?
John has a Master's degree in Education and a Bachelor in electrical engineering?
Gerry has a Bachelor?
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Gerry probably has a Bronze Swimming certificate, given how prone these two guys are to exaggerating.

After taking a peek at Facebook and what I can see of their LinkedIn pages without logging in -

M.Ed - Master of Education
BSEE - Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering
CET - Certified Electronic Technician

BSc - Bachelor of Science
BEA - Behavioral Evidence Analyst
 
To be fair to them, those are good credentials. And the Nightcrawler UAPmobile van has an impressive array of sensors. They do seem very confident in its capabilities and accuracy But if you're convinced that anomalous craft and entities are flying with impunity around the sky you might think that any anomalous reading on your equipment can be attributed to these craft . We often say that the prosaic solution is more likely, but in their eyes they think the extraordinary solution is more likely than a mistake or error in their sensors.
 


The Tedesco's appeared on That UFO Podcast a few days ago. Not very eventful, but I did find a few interesting moments.

23:27 -

Host: "Are you guys getting any feedback from the FBI for example, on the data you're sending over, or have you got a point of contact that can talk to you to give you any sort of information the other way, or is it just a one way relationship where you're reporting to them and getting nothing back?"

Gerry: "It's pretty much one way..."

John: "For the most part it's, you know, I mean, there's certain security issues that, you know, obviously they can't share with us, you know, without any kind of security clearance. So, of course, they're, interested in what we present to them, and they're... the relationship it's, I think it's a good relationship where they're accepting our data and that sort of thing, but as far as what they do with it and whoever the experts are that are analysing this data, we have no information on that." [John really stammers through this answer. I've cleaned up the transcript a lot.]

Gerry: "And of course [unintelligible] we're unable to talk if there is anything [sharing?] we are actually unable to talk about it."


It seemed like John quickly jumped in to do a bit of damage control after Gerry's "one way" answer. It also seems like there actually isn't much of a working relationship - if there even is one at all - between the Tedesco's and the FBI. They just send stuff in and don't hear anything back!


1:02:46 -

John: "We are working with other agencies now, we actually linked up with the UAP Disclosure Fund, and we have an organisation of our own, of S.M.E, Subject matter experts."

Not entirely surprising given they apparently know Garry Nolan and Luis Elizondo, as well as having appeared on Matt Ford's Youtube show, but interesting nonetheless.

Also, apparently it was too much of a hassle for them to take their RV to New Jersey to go drone hunting. Their excuse was that there are toll booths and they only have a licence to operate their radar in Long Island. Not sure why couldn't have just not used the radar, but that's their excuse and they're sticking to it. I didn't take note of the timestamp for that one, but I am pretty sure it was in the "Are the NJ drones/UFOs still there?" chapter.
 
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I'm at Robert Moses right now. Can't stay for much longer but I'll upload more once I'm home.

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Okay, so I'm back from Robert Moses and I was able to upload the photos and videos I took. I'll link a zip file with all of the files down below.

October 4, 2024

Mick West asked John Tedesco if he could share the original video and the location/direction that it was taken in. John replied that it was taken at 40°37'24" N, 73°16'46" W looking 236° South-Southwest.

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Source: https://x.com/johnted88824079/status/1842058951241662952


Here is a photo I took from the same location and looking in the same direction, as requested by Deirdre. Not great quality, but obviously not the same location and direction as in the video.

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I zoomed as far as I could with my phone just to see what it would look like, so the quality is awful.

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There's no benches or poles anywhere in the parking lot or in this direction. For Deirdre, I recorded a video giving a walk around of the bush.



October 5, 2024

Flarkey asked for clarification on where the windswept tree was in relation to the RV and John Tedesco uploaded an image with two observation points marked. The northeastern point was where the RV supposedly parked, and the southeastern point was where the video was supposedly recorded from.

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After recording the previous video I walked east and started recording a second video once I reached the handicapped parking area.



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This very clearly matches the video the Tedesco's uploaded. I took a couple panoramas from this location but they're too large to upload here, along with a couple other bits. Check the zip if you're really interested.

Moving onto the last location, the location of the RV in the parking lot, here's a short video I recorded from that location. It doesn't really show anything interesting.



Field 5

There was some chatter from the Tedesco's that someone thought they were in Field 5, though I don't recall anyone saying that. Since no one had any particular suggestion on what to photograph in Field 5 I decided to take a video of me walking west in the parking lot from end to end. It doesn't really show anything interesting, but here it is for completeness.



Mega link to zip file:

https://mega.nz/file/F7wGFIaR#_qzw8pvjWuYJjl8pSCe1cV64IsyK1bhJiv6jGcuapSU
 
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Angatar said:
Mick West asked John Tedesco if he could share the original video and the location/direction that it was taken in. John replied that it was taken at 40°37'24" N, 73°16'46" W looking 236° South-Southwest.
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Eyeballing (and really I ought to know this, rote) - one arc-second is just over 30m of precision. No need for any more than that. Thanks for the undertaking the excursion!
 
Angatar said:
Okay, so I'm back from Robert Moses and I was able to upload the photos and videos I took. I'll link a zip file with all of the files down below.
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Loud cheers!

So for me, the last and fifth from last video say that the video is set to private and won't play. That MAY be just me, I am spending the last few days moving from my old, now deceased, computer to this new one and some of the settings and gizmos are not all the way right yet. If nobody else has this issue, then it is me and feel free to disregard... if others have it too, then it may need addressing, though getting the ZIP file as you offered would obviate that!

Above and beyond work, I salute you!
 
They were set to unlisted because setting them public would spam a discord I'm in, but whatever. They're public now. If it still doesn't work I'll repost the links.
 
Angatar said:
They were set to unlisted because setting them public would spam a discord I'm in, but whatever. They're public now. If it still doesn't work I'll repost the links.
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You're really doing the Lord's work here. Assuming there is a Lord of some sort.

You've conclusively shown that the original coordinates and direction provided in no way line up with the video. And you've reenforced that the location and direction identified, is what's seen in the video. I don't see how the Tedesco's can disagree with this.

Someone can argue that Google Earth isn't right or there's problems with it, I've tried for years to get Google to fix the misidentified road I live on to no avail, but in this case, to borrow a George Knapp line, there "were boots on the ground".

As I've said before, all the Tedescos need to do is follow in your footsteps, head back out to the park and show the wrong bench and tree that lines up with the airport and then the right bench and tree that does not line up with the airport. Pretty easy.

I suspect IF they or the Matt Fords of YouTube pay any attention to this going forward, they'll just not talk about exactly where they were. Rather there will be a lot of discussion about cloud layers, lack of radar returns and an insistence on the time of the observation, whenever that is, NOT lining up with any aircraft. They could potentially acknowledge that the Metabunk location is correct, without admitting it's looking right at an airport, and stressing that there were no aircraft at the time of the video. But I doubt it.

I don't care for Mr. Ford, but I might even pay to see the Tedescos honestly address this.
 
deirdre said:
or they could show they are honest investigators and just admit they labeled the wrong tape with that location they originally gave.
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I don't see where that changes anything. They've made a big deal about this video depicting a UFO. When the folks here showed they were pointing their camera at an airport, they doubled down on Ford's show saying where they were, where they were looking and it wasn't in the direction of an airport. What they filmed was a UFO. What can they do with a mislabeled tape? We thought we filmed this from here, but it was really from here? No matter how they spin it, the UFO they filmed is undoubtably in the direction of the airport. They have to account for that and just saying it was a mix up doesn't work.

I really don't see how they can continue to say they were at a location pointing their camera in a direction, other than the location they were in and the direction they were filming. I don't think they'll ever say they were looking at an airport, rather they'll talk about clouds and times in an attempt to make where they were looking meaningless.
 
NorCal Dave said:
They have to account for that and just saying it was a mix up doesn't work.
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its embarrassing but i think it works. but yes they would be saying "oh shit mb was right, it was the footage where we were aiming toward the airport. oops"
 
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deirdre said:
its embarrassing but i think it works. but yes they would be saying "oh shit mb was right, it was the footage where we were aiming toward the airport. oops"
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That MAY happen, but I'll be surprised if it does. IF they come out with a statement even close to that, it'll be something about it being nighttime and things happed fast and they got the location of the Mystery Machine mixed up with the concession stand and other excuses, but then quickly move on to cloud layers, radar returns, and the time. Anything to dispel the idea that this is just an airliner ascending into the clouds.

This is one of their big deals. This is the one they spent an hour on Ford's show defending. There is no way they are backing down on this. Ford won't let them back on his show to say, "Mick and Metabunk were right". Not happening. At best they may quietly admit the location is right, then obfuscate. More likely, they'll just ignore any attempts to debunk the video and continue to say, incorrectly, that the debunk here is based on a location in parking lot 5 at the wrong time in the wrong direction and move on.
 
NorCal Dave said:
That MAY happen, but I'll be surprised if it does. IF they come out with a statement even close to that, it'll be something about it being nighttime and things happed fast and they got the location of the Mystery Machine mixed up with the concession stand and other excuses, but then quickly move on to cloud layers, radar returns, and the time. Anything to dispel the idea that this is just an airliner ascending into the clouds.

This is one of their big deals. This is the one they spent an hour on Ford's show defending. There is no way they are backing down on this. Ford won't let them back on his show to say, "Mick and Metabunk were right". Not happening. At best they may quietly admit the location is right, then obfuscate. More likely, they'll just ignore any attempts to debunk the video and continue to say, incorrectly, that the debunk here is based on a location in parking lot 5 at the wrong time in the wrong direction and move on.
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They're in quite a bind, here, and I agree that they probably won't be able to bring themselves
to admit to their supporters that their initial claims--and the double down--was untrue.

I agree that there will likely be a predictable but unconvincing attempt to obfuscate & confuse:
My money's on an unclear reference to the "2,000 foot" & "6,000 foot" elevations,
as if--if all of us were smart enough to understand that--their claims would be validated. ;)
 
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Honestly, getting the location and direction so wrong would immediately demolish their credibility in any kind of scientific community. It shows that they're (at best!) sloppy with the data their gadgets are producing, and that means they can't be trusted. If this was a paper, it would hopefully be retracted, though "ignore and hope" happens elsewhere, too.
 
NoParty said:
but I'm guessing someone will push them on it...
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But who of consequence?

The UFO regulars are not going to push something that might mean Metabunk was correct. I'd imagine people like Matt Ford and others will of offer a combination of incorrectly explaining why the Metabunk solution is wrong, assuming their viewers will just accept that, while throwing red meat to said viewers about how Mick is a government disinformation shill. Anything on Metabunk or out of Mick's mouth is disinformation, regardless of where the Tedescos were standing when the video was taken.

It's akin to the fundamentalist argument (or an Alice in Chains album) that "the Devil put dinosaurs here". Yes, there are real dinosaur bones of creatures that no longer exist. Yes, that is incompatible with Young Earth creationism and the story of Noah's Ark. But a Young Earth and the Ark are in the Bible and the Bible can't be wrong, therefore the dinosaur bones are some sort of disinformation planted by the Devil.

All the talk and photos of locations and airliners on Metabunk is just disinformation meant to mislead believers.

We still have threads on Bob Lazar going on here. His crazy stories are over 30 years old now and there has never been any evidence to support any of them in ensuing decades. Yet, his 2 biggest promoters, Knapp and Corbel, got to sit in the front row of congressional hearings AND got enter their UFO statements into the record. They just ignore most of the challenges to the Lazar story and keep repeating it.
 
NorCal Dave said:
But who of consequence?

The UFO regulars are not going to push something that might mean Metabunk was correct. I'd imagine people like Matt Ford and others will of offer a combination of incorrectly explaining why the Metabunk solution is wrong, assuming their viewers will just accept that, while throwing red meat to said viewers about how Mick is a government disinformation shill. Anything on Metabunk or out of Mick's mouth is disinformation, regardless of where the Tedescos were standing when the video was taken.

It's akin to the fundamentalist argument (or an Alice in Chains album) that "the Devil put dinosaurs here". Yes, there are real dinosaur bones of creatures that no longer exist. Yes, that is incompatible with Young Earth creationism and the story of Noah's Ark. But a Young Earth and the Ark are in the Bible and the Bible can't be wrong, therefore the dinosaur bones are some sort of disinformation planted by the Devil.

All the talk and photos of locations and airliners on Metabunk is just disinformation meant to mislead believers.

We still have threads on Bob Lazar going on here. His crazy stories are over 30 years old now and there has never been any evidence to support any of them in ensuing decades. Yet, his 2 biggest promoters, Knapp and Corbel, got to sit in the front row of congressional hearings AND got enter their UFO statements into the record. They just ignore most of the challenges to the Lazar story and keep repeating it.
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You make a good case, and you may well be right.
(But I hope not!)
 
NorCal Dave said:
All the talk and photos of locations and airliners on Metabunk is just disinformation meant to mislead believers.
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The location is out there for anyone to visit.
Flight trackers are there for anyone to query (and they'll run into the same problem of the Tedesco's waffling about the time, another researcher no-no).
Their reputation is shot, and most of the UFO community knows it by now.
 
Mendel said:
The location is out there for anyone to visit.
Flight trackers are there for anyone to query (and they'll run into the same problem of the Tedesco's waffling about the time, another researcher no-no).
Their reputation is shot, and most of the UFO community knows it by now.
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I think so as well, they never really get any traction on Reddit.

But these guys really made it personal with this forum.
 
Mendel said:
The location is out there for anyone to visit.
Flight trackers are there for anyone to query (and they'll run into the same problem of the Tedesco's waffling about the time, another researcher no-no).
Their reputation is shot, and most of the UFO community knows it by now.
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Agreed.

However, you and I are thinking like rational people with, at least in my case, an appreciation of how science and research should work, as I've never actually did it. Time, date and location seem to just be a given. Any good research, or even going out bird watching, would have these basic bits of information. And in the modern digital age, it's mostly built into one's cameras and devices, as is GPS info. Writing it down should just be a formality and an exercise in doing good research.

So, yes waffling about the time should be seen as dubious, but it's not seen as waffling. It's seen as finding the correct time that proves the disinformation wrong and the claim right. They recorded a UFO. That UFO was not an airliner. Therefore, the correct time is whenever it needs to be to confirm the UFO is not an airliner.
 
NorCal Dave said:
However, you and I are thinking like rational people with, at least in my case, an appreciation of how science and research should work, as I've never actually did it. Time, date and location seem to just be a given. Any good research, or even going out bird watching, would have these basic bits of information. And in the modern digital age, it's mostly built into one's cameras and devices, as is GPS info. Writing it down should just be a formality and an exercise in doing good research.
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I learned that in high school science. Whenever we did an experiment, we had to log our observations, including all the data. Accurate observations are at the core of science.

The Tedescos should really know to synchronize their devices, and to log everything, preferably automatically. The fact that they don't seem to care about doing this properly means they're not doing science.
 
deirdre said:
I think they should probably give up the confusing fancy-dancy devices with a bunch of bells and whistles you dont need, and go back to the basics.
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Bells and whistles make for good video. As Red Green used to say, "If you can't be handsome, you can at least be handy." Similarly, if you can't be scientific, you can at least look scientifical.
 
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Mendel said:
The fact that they don't seem to care about doing this properly means they're not doing science.
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They're not doing science. They're proving the existence of aliens. Scientifical* trappings and appearances are fine, if and when, they help prove aliens. When being overly rigorous and constrained by supposed scientific standards impedes the proof of aliens, then it's of no use. I don't think they're concerned with having right original time of a sighting. They are concerned with having a time for a sighting that does not allow it to be debunked as an aircraft.

*Once again, Scientifical is the term coined by @Sharon Hill referring to the use of gadgets, devices and protocols from science, without really understanding them or misusing them in largely amateur investigation. Using these things can also be part of the entertainment factor, as @JMartJr noted above.
 
NorCal Dave said:
They're not doing science. They're proving the existence of aliens.
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I submit that they're trying to collect footage or other data (like radar) that they can't explain, and that they're selling as unexplainable.

Which, in science, would be the start of a research project, but for them, it's the end. You haven't learned anything (yet) when you can't explain something.

They're not "proving" anything.
 
Mendel said:
I submit that they're trying to collect footage or other data (like radar) that they can't explain, and that they're selling as unexplainable.

Which, in science, would be the start of a research project, but for them, it's the end. You haven't learned anything (yet) when you can't explain something.

They're not "proving" anything.
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Except possibly gullibility & willingness to overlook glaring methodology mistakes
in the service of maintaining an unsupported narrative...
 
Mendel said:
I submit that they're trying to collect footage or other data (like radar) that they can't explain, and that they're selling as unexplainable.
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Exactly this. They're finding weird readings in their equipment and attributing them to anomalous non human intelligence - because that's the only way that NHI ever move. Inexplicably.
 
Mendel said:
I submit that they're trying to collect footage or other data (like radar) that they can't explain, and that they're selling as unexplainable.
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That seems to be the objective of the most prominent people in ufology right now.

"Look at this! We don't know what it is! Off camera it was doing truly anomalous stuff! Experts agree, it's definitely not [the thing that it actually is]!"

Gone are the days of throwing hub caps into the air.
 
jimmyslippin said:
That seems to be the objective of the most prominent people in ufology right now.

"Look at this! We don't know what it is! Off camera it was doing truly anomalous stuff! Experts agree, it's definitely not [the thing that it actually is]!"

Gone are the days of throwing hub caps into the air.
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Then:
U (brandishes picture of UFO): "Look, proof of aliens!"
D: "It's a lampshade."

Now:
U: (brandishes video of white dot moving erratically): "Look, you can't explain that!"
D: "The movement is camera shake, and the dot could be anything."

TTSA and their "five observables" are explicitly looking for the impossible, because decades of UFOlogy have shown that the possible things are never actually aliens. Thus, no longer are they looking for spaceships: anything "anomalous" will do. (And it's never satisfactorily explained why these non-human intelligences trying so hard to escape detection are leaving the lights on.)

It's the Zeitgeist.
Proof is too cumbersome for social media, a shocking clue gets shared.
 
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