Hama Neggs
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Mike Glynn debates Peter Kusznir with Madisonstar Moon
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TWCobra
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Hmmm, it will be an interesting "debate" I feel. The post on AAC is a total fabrication. Matt McInnes put a similar post on Truth News radio, somewhere I wasn't blocked, and I challenged him to show the offending posts. He ran like a startled gazelle.
As far as the article in the Australian was concerned, I wrote an article which wasn't published; not sensational enough I feel, and the journalist wrote the actual article after contacting Peter and Robert Hoogenboom. This is the one they take offence to. Take it up with NEWS Limited Peter. None of the article I wrote mentioned you or anyone else. I sent it to you to verify that...
As far as the article in the Australian was concerned, I wrote an article which wasn't published; not sensational enough I feel, and the journalist wrote the actual article after contacting Peter and Robert Hoogenboom. This is the one they take offence to. Take it up with NEWS Limited Peter. None of the article I wrote mentioned you or anyone else. I sent it to you to verify that...
Jay Reynolds
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I am listening to the debate with Madisonstarmoon between Mike Glynn and Peter Kusznir. The moderator and Kusznir are both engaging in the debate, both using Mike's time. Kusznir spent several minutes running out the clock speaking about 9/11. This illustrates that clear rules will make the difference and an open format will be abused. Debaters will be wasting time and very few facts will emerge if both people are talking at the same time and are not repectful of the other person and Peter Kusznir is the worst case of abuse I have heard so far.
Hama Neggs
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Yep. Most of the time used up by Peter spewing insults and ranting in circles. Right after she says it should be polite, Kusznir starts with the insults.
PS: Kusznir even tells Glynn what Glynn isn't allowed to say. The whole thing was a ridiculous waste of time.
PS: Kusznir even tells Glynn what Glynn isn't allowed to say. The whole thing was a ridiculous waste of time.
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Hama Neggs
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People tend to think that something said with great passion must be true. If they are ignorant on the subject being discussed, they will believe whomever was most passionate, a lot of the time. There was little opportunity given to point out where Peekay was wrong.
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Hama Neggs
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I listened to that last interview again and I have changed my mind a bit. Some real information does get through the noise. Thanks to Mike Glynn for putting himself on the line like that.
Hama Neggs
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My thought is that no verbal debate can ever be definitive because of the inability to show supporting documentation of any kind.
TWCobra
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I must say that my "debate" with Kusznir went just about as expected. Madison did try at least to maintain some kind of proper tone but the man, IMHO, did neither himself or the chemtrail movement any favours at all.
The attempt to steer the conversation into areas like 9/11 and the lack of knowledge about the factors that cause contrails such as RH(I) showed him up. I apologise to the listeners for the times the conversation degenerated into background buzz, but I wasn't going to let mindless ranting tactics, such as those employed by Tanner, happen again this time.
The attempt to steer the conversation into areas like 9/11 and the lack of knowledge about the factors that cause contrails such as RH(I) showed him up. I apologise to the listeners for the times the conversation degenerated into background buzz, but I wasn't going to let mindless ranting tactics, such as those employed by Tanner, happen again this time.
Belfrey
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No kidding, I'm 5 minutes in, and so far peekay22's entire opening statement has been just a long insult-laden rant. Madison is making absolutely no attempt to put him in check.
TWCobra
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One of his many claims was that Qantas doesn't "chemtrail" Melbourne on the weekends.
I think his own admitted drug use should be curtailed. Here is a list of dates of his own videos that were shot on weekends.
23 Oct 2010
31 Jul 2011
28 Aug 2011
9 Sep 2011
9 Oct 2011
24 Dec 2011
4 Feb 2012
14 Oct 2012
20 Oct 2012
21 Oct 2012
As far as tracking over Hobart to go to Jo'Berg from Sydney, here is the airways chart of the region. You can see there are NO airways south of Hobart. The flight planning computers will select the optimum track on the day of the flight and plans via ATS airways, over the navaid at the field such as the VOR, until it runs out of them, such as over Hobart, or as you can see Melbourne as well. From then the flight plan consists of a series of Lat and Long points until it picks up an airway entry point over South Africa. Flying over Hobart usually occurs when the jetstreams are further south than normal, and the flight plan gets the aircraft as far south as possible to avoid them before turning towards the great circle track.
Kusznir has stated today that he had no intention of debating me and was simply going to use the opportunity to insult me.
Once again here, he demonstrates, apart from the poor grammar and spelling, the unswerving ability to believe that which he wants to believe. The story he spun about 9/11 was not how it happened, and I simply answered no to his question if I could have hit the Pentagon after two flights in a Cessna. Obviously very unlikely.
Peter has disappeared down the Boston and Sandy Hook rabbit holes in the last few months and so he believes nothing filmed... no matter from how many differing cameras, can possibly be real. I wonder if that applies to his own videos?
As far as threats go, the comments shown above come from the following video... another Kusznir rant.
The comments contain the following post which has been there for over 9 months. Leaving it there Peter implies tacitly condoning it no matter how you deny it otherwise.
I think his own admitted drug use should be curtailed. Here is a list of dates of his own videos that were shot on weekends.
23 Oct 2010
31 Jul 2011
28 Aug 2011
9 Sep 2011
9 Oct 2011
24 Dec 2011
4 Feb 2012
14 Oct 2012
20 Oct 2012
21 Oct 2012
As far as tracking over Hobart to go to Jo'Berg from Sydney, here is the airways chart of the region. You can see there are NO airways south of Hobart. The flight planning computers will select the optimum track on the day of the flight and plans via ATS airways, over the navaid at the field such as the VOR, until it runs out of them, such as over Hobart, or as you can see Melbourne as well. From then the flight plan consists of a series of Lat and Long points until it picks up an airway entry point over South Africa. Flying over Hobart usually occurs when the jetstreams are further south than normal, and the flight plan gets the aircraft as far south as possible to avoid them before turning towards the great circle track.
Kusznir has stated today that he had no intention of debating me and was simply going to use the opportunity to insult me.
Once again here, he demonstrates, apart from the poor grammar and spelling, the unswerving ability to believe that which he wants to believe. The story he spun about 9/11 was not how it happened, and I simply answered no to his question if I could have hit the Pentagon after two flights in a Cessna. Obviously very unlikely.
Peter has disappeared down the Boston and Sandy Hook rabbit holes in the last few months and so he believes nothing filmed... no matter from how many differing cameras, can possibly be real. I wonder if that applies to his own videos?
As far as threats go, the comments shown above come from the following video... another Kusznir rant.
The comments contain the following post which has been there for over 9 months. Leaving it there Peter implies tacitly condoning it no matter how you deny it otherwise.
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TWCobra
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Here is the Flight plan tracking data from today's QF63 which illustrates the point.
WOL H20 MCO J22 LT S4500E14300 S5000E13500 S5300E12800 S5500E11900
S5700E10900 S5700E09100 S5500E08000 S5323E07500 S5000E06700
S4500E05600 S4100E04800 S3500E03800 ANVED UQ17 UGUNO PMV UG853 HGV
JS
The "LT" in the plan is Launceston in northern Tasmania. The flight plan route takes the aircraft down the east coast of Australia, following airway H20 to Mallacoota then airway J22 to LT and then the oceanic phase of the plan.
Below is the current high level Significant Weather (sigwx) chart for Australia.
The jetstream indicated over the central part of the continent has head winds at its core of 170 knots. The area below the jetstream indicated by the 1 indicates forecast turbulence. It therefore makes sense that the plan would take the aircraft as far south as possible, in this case 57 degrees south as indicated by the Lat/Long coordinates, in order to avoid this jetstream.
When Kusznir states there is no reason for this flight to fly over Tasmania, he merely demonstrates his abject ignorance of anything to do with aviation, and hence can safely be ignored.
WOL H20 MCO J22 LT S4500E14300 S5000E13500 S5300E12800 S5500E11900
S5700E10900 S5700E09100 S5500E08000 S5323E07500 S5000E06700
S4500E05600 S4100E04800 S3500E03800 ANVED UQ17 UGUNO PMV UG853 HGV
JS
The "LT" in the plan is Launceston in northern Tasmania. The flight plan route takes the aircraft down the east coast of Australia, following airway H20 to Mallacoota then airway J22 to LT and then the oceanic phase of the plan.
Below is the current high level Significant Weather (sigwx) chart for Australia.
The jetstream indicated over the central part of the continent has head winds at its core of 170 knots. The area below the jetstream indicated by the 1 indicates forecast turbulence. It therefore makes sense that the plan would take the aircraft as far south as possible, in this case 57 degrees south as indicated by the Lat/Long coordinates, in order to avoid this jetstream.
When Kusznir states there is no reason for this flight to fly over Tasmania, he merely demonstrates his abject ignorance of anything to do with aviation, and hence can safely be ignored.
Belfrey
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I thought it was interesting to hear Madisonstar Moon complain about Metabunk posters "debunking her", saying something like, "They don't even know me! They're not my friends on Facebook!" She doesn't seem to make any distinction between debunking her claims or the images she posts, and attacking her personally. I think that this says a lot about why some people react to debunking in such an emotional way.
Jay Reynolds
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I thought her comments about credibility being based on how many Facebook "Likes" one receives to be an interesting concept giving insight into her thought processes.
cloudspotter
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As has been mentioned on here before, Madison does seem to be relatively young. It's a different world to when I was playing on my ZX81.
FreiZeitGeist
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Peekay 22 has uploaded some Videos about the debate on his YT-Channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/peekay22/videos
Just heard the first minutes of one. It hurt my ears.
http://www.youtube.com/user/peekay22/videos
Just heard the first minutes of one. It hurt my ears.
Indeed, while we don't want to go down the road of "you would't understand, you are too young", it's important to look back to how we were at a younger age. A lot of the people arguing for conspiracies are actually teenagers, or early 20s. Looking back to when I was 16, I was pretty confused about the world. Even at 20, I was incredibly naive.
People mature and learn at different rates though. So you can get some incredibly bright and sensible 12 year olds. And some rather dim and irrational 50 year olds. But it's still something worth considering.
cloudspotter
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Agreed but also we didn't have social networking or even the internet so the number of 'likes' one gets may seem completely irrelevant to us but to the Facebook generation it's a lot more significant.
Jay Reynolds
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I recall that in high school most girls at about 16 felt that way. After forty years I learned that was a shallow concept.
Took you quite a while then
Jay Reynolds
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I recall that in high school most girls at about 16 felt that way. After forty years I learned that was a shallow concept.
Some things about girls still mystify me, but in a way that which is unknown seems all the more desirable.Took you quite a while then
David Fraser
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I have just attempted to listen to all the recording but it was to painful. Well done for seeing it through. I don't think I would have.