Luna Announces Hearing on Transparency Relating to Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena

[RAS]

Some new witnesses have been announced for the upcoming September 9 UAP hearing:

WITNESSES:

• Jeffrey Nuccetelli, U.S. Air Force Veteran
• Chief Alexandro Wiggins, UAP Witness
• George Knapp, UAP Journalist
• Dylan Borland, UAP Witness, U.S. Air Force Veteran

The press release is here: https://oversight.house.gov/release...relating-to-unidentified-anomalous-phenomena/

 

[RAS]

Jeffrey Nuccetelli's LinkedIn profile picture is of the Age of Disclosure movie marquee:

 

[RAS]

Alexandro Wiggin's will most likely recount his UAP experience on the USS Jackson discussed in other threads:

Here is the News 8 article by George Knapp (for summary):
https://www.8newsnow.com/investigators/navy-sailor-recounts-ufo-sighting-off-california-coast/

LAS VEGAS (KLAS) —
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In February 2023, Wiggins was a senior chief and radar specialist on the USS Jackson, an air traffic controller for the Navy. His main job was identifying what might be in the air near the ship. He and others in the USS Jackson's combat information center saw curious objects on their screens. Wiggins wanted to get eyes on whatever it was and went out to take a look.

"To my surprise, which is something I've never witnessed, was a light I noticed on the horizon, it looked as if it were surfacing out of the water and going up," Wiggins recalled.

He said he jammed back to the combat center and took a closer look at the SAFIRE System, which is a thermal sensor, not a camera. The sensor detected not just one but two tic-tac-shaped objects. Neither showed any hint of exhaust or any known propulsion system.

"We only saw the one, and then we see the second one," Wiggins recounted. "It was only when we zoom out that we realize, holy crap, there's two more out here, a total of four.

Wiggins said the four of them suddenly took of to the northeast simultaneously. He called it "two steps behind instantaneous."

 

[jarlrmai]

So that's why MVR has been spamming the sphere for so long now...

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/uss-omaha-transmedium-sphere-descending-to-the-sea.11711/

Edit and was so vocal about this case as well

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/the-uss-jackson-tic-tac-uap.14130/

 

[RAS]

Seems to be a pretty underwhelming group of guests. No "we're going to blow the lid off it" witnesses that I can tell.

 

[Mick West]

Seems to be a pretty underwhelming group of guests. No "we're going to blow the lid off it" witnesses that I can tell.

Dylan Borland, UAP Witness, is new to me. I suspect that he will simply relate his UAP encounter story and then complain about how AARO didn't take him seriously.

Still, any new information is potentially interesting.

 

[Ann K]

"I look forward to hearing from witnesses on how the federal government can improve transparency and provide better answers on UAPs," said Task Force Chairwoman Luna".

This whole thing arises from the conspiracy-theorist assumption that there ARE "better answers" and that the government simply has not been disclosing them. If the correct answer is "No, we don't have any crashed vehicles over which we had to erect an entire building" or "No, we don't have any alien bodies in a freezer at Wright-Patterson", the UAP aficionados will only say "see, they're hiding stuff from us". If the government declines to answer because they have legitimately undisclosed subjects of earthly origin, the same thing will happen. Either way, the narrative will be dominated by a very few people who have stories to tell but no material evidence to offer, and the result will almost inevitably be that the subject will be given a boost in the public consciousness without any improvement in "transparency" ...or in public trust.

 

[FatPhil]

Dylan Borland, UAP Witness, is new to me. I suspect that he will simply relate his UAP encounter story and then complain about how AARO didn't take him seriously.

Still, any new information is potentially interesting.

New data may also potentially be utterly tedious. (I distinguish between "data" and "information" - you've already begged the question by labelling it as "information", IMHO.)

 

[Mendel]

This whole thing arises from the conspiracy-theorist assumption that there ARE "better answers" and that the government simply has not been disclosing them.

It's true, though. For example, much of the AARO case files is classified.
The question is, is it really a good idea to release classified information? It's classified for a reason, and if the information was really important, those Congress members with access (e.g. in the armed services or intelligence committees) would be pushing for release—but they don't.

"Let's compromise the security of the nation because we want there to be UFOs" seems like it hasn't been thought through.

Especially when it wouldn't substantially change the answers we already have. The AARO directors have been very clear that they've never seen evidence of UFOs.

 

[jarlrmai]

It's more that there are "right" answers and until the "right" answers are released all the other answers are "wrong"

 

[Mendel]

It's more that there are "right" answers and until the "right" answers are released all the other answers are "wrong"

— "2+2=4? I demand a better answer!"

A "better answer" in my sense (AARO case files declassified, "maximum transparency") means "the same answer with better support". Which is the sensible thing to expect.

Anything else just feels like a Karen badgering employees to look for stock "in the back" that they couldn't find on the sales floor. It betrays a fear that there are secrets that they're not privy to.
But all the merchandise and all the answers are already there.

 

[MyMatesBrainwashed]

This whole thing arises from the conspiracy-theorist assumption that there ARE "better answers" and that the government simply has not been disclosing them. If the correct answer is "No, we don't have any crashed vehicles over which we had to erect an entire building" or "No, we don't have any alien bodies in a freezer at Wright-Patterson", the UAP aficionados will only say "see, they're hiding stuff from us". If the government declines to answer because they have legitimately undisclosed subjects of earthly origin, the same thing will happen. Either way, the narrative will be dominated by a very few people who have stories to tell but no material evidence to offer, and the result will almost inevitably be that the subject will be given a boost in the public consciousness without any improvement in "transparency" ...or in public trust.

Totally true but aren't we in a situation here where it's the government not trusting the government?

Who are they appealing to? Who can say "No" and they trust?

Who are they trying to convince? Themselves (the government) or "us"? Cos if it's themselves then that won't convince all of "us" anyway.

It just feels more of a show than actually trying to get anywhere. Cos, as you allude to, there's no where it can go unless the result is "Yes, the game's up, we have alien material".

Edit - I guess it can be summed up as "to what authority do you appeal to when you are the authority?"

 

[Ann K]

It just feels more of a show than actually trying to get anywhere. Cos, as you allude to, there's no where it can go unless the result is "Yes, the game's up, we have alien material"

In the vain hope of trying to appease the UFO believers the government released the "Go fast" and "Gimbal" videos a few years ago. All that did was stir the pot. Same thing with Grusch and his stories, believed by the believers although many of his claims made no sense under closer examination. This is more of the same, and as you say, "feels more of a show".

 

[JMartJr]

I guess it can be summed up as "to what authority do you appeal to when you are the authority?"

You can always make up a secret hidden cabal lurking behind the authority that you are a part of.

 

[MapperGuy]

The question is, is it really a good idea to release classified information? It's classified for a reason, and if the information was really important, those Congress members with access (e.g. in the armed services or intelligence committees) would be pushing for release—but they don't.

And the reason is virtually always Sources and Methods, Tools and Techniques.
Releasing none of which will convince the true believers of anything, but will make other nations intelligence communities happy.

Totally true but aren't we in a situation here where it's the government not trusting the government?

I would not say it's the government not trusting, it's the politicians not trusting the actual government institutions made up of long-serving non-political government employees.

 

[NorCal Dave]

I would not say it's the government not trusting, it's the politicians not trusting the actual government institutions made up of long-serving non-political government employees.

Beyond that, there is a bit of politicians not trusting politicians. Forgive me if I don't have the exact quote right now, it's in one of our threads on congressional hearings, but IIRC when Luna et.al complained about being denied more information, it turned out it was their own leadership that denied them access. The gang of 8 is made of the majority and minority leadership of both parties and they have access to most everything. The Republican leadership didn't want Luna and the UFO crowd seeing what they wanted access to.

One can speculate, but I would think that while there are always ideologues in both parties, those that rise to position of leadership have a level of practicality and at least attempt to get something done. Not here to argue politics, just musing that even the Republican leadership may see Luna and the UFO congressional crowd as folks that can't be trusted with issues of national security.

 

[Mendel]

Beyond that, there is a bit of politicians not trusting politicians.

including 2nd term term Trump not trusting 1st term Trump

 

[Mick West]

The witness statements are up:

https://oversight.house.gov/hearing...ap-transparency-and-whistleblower-protection/

Borland gives an account of a UFO he saw:

From 2011 through 2013, I was stationed at Langley Air Force Base, Virginia conducting twenty-four-
hour operations via Manned and Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV) for Special Operations Forces
(SOF) for the Global War on Terror (GWOT). During the summer of 2012, my team was on standby
for weather and I returned to my barracks on base. At approximately 0130 I saw an approximately 100-
foot-long equilateral triangle fly from near the NASA hangar on base and come within one hundred
feet of where I was standing. This craft interfered with my telephone, did not have any sound, and the
material it was made of appeared fluid or dynamic. I was under this triangular craft for a few minutes,
and then it rapidly ascended to commercial jet level in seconds. It displayed zero kinetic disturbance,
sound, or wind displacement.

Then discusses harassment he has recieved

These issues included medical malpractice by Veterans Affairs staff; denial of work I performed while
enlisted in the U.S. Air Force; forged and manipulated employment documents; workplace harassment,
including colleagues being directed not to speak with me; and the manipulation of my security
clearance records by certain agencies to block or delay my access to classified employment.

Unfortunately, this comes across as a bit paranoid, reminding me of the "gang-stalking" community. No actual evidence is referenced in his statement.

Knapp has a long series of old stories.

Nuccetelli tells his story of the giant red square at Vandenburg

Wiggins tells the story of the USS Jackson Tic-Tac. Amazing story, not amazing video.

Spielberger is just speaking for the rights of whistleblowers in general, and does not address UAP.

 

[RAS]

Watching the hearing .... it is very unfortunate and cringeworthy thus far.

 

[Eburacum]

Nuccetelli tells his story of the giant red square at Vandenburg

As I understand it, Nuccetelli didn't actually see the 'red square'. Or has he changed his story now?

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ryan-graves-on-joe-rogan-etc.13867/#post-331493

Now, this "witness" may not have seen anything himself, but fear not! He claims that there were three Boeing contractors on hand, and that they each provided "sworn written statements" regarding this supposed "giant, red square" UAP (the size of a football field!).

@10:20 There were "three, sworn written statements" from three Boeing contractors that supposedly saw this "giant red triangle" UAP.

But wouldn't ya' know it, as it turns out, it just so happens that he "lost" these written statements in 2012.

 

[RAS]

It was not presented clearly. Yes, he did not observe the red square. They kept mixing together the story of the red square and the 30 foot orb (which he witnessed).

 

[Mick West]

Discussion of the video shown:
https://www.metabunk.org/forums/ufo-reports-from-the-us-military-and-government.60/