ISS Feed from Australia

At what time stamp in the full video does it occur?

Is it possible to source the original video from NASA's actual site??

Edit it's at 39 seconds.

The video seems to be at this archive.org page

https://archive.org/details/apple-w...17_01156B_v02_HDR_PS_20180925_HDR_4K_HEVC.mov

So there's no guarantee it's not been edited, as far as I know there's no NASA archive of these videos.

It's possible this video is from 25/9/2018 but that might just be when it was named this.
 
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Assuming it is real, are we looking through a window? If so, is it a star, or a reflection of some lights behind or on the camera, doing the sort of blinky things that spaceship instrumentation lights might be expected to do?
 
NoParty said:
I've never heard of this person.

A quick look at X suggests that he (?) seems to think everything he sees is extraterrestrial. Yes?
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he's one of the more prolific posters of ufo videos on twitter. but he often comes with reciepts.
jarlrmai said:
At what time stamp in the full video does it occur?

Is it possible to source the original video from NASA's actual site??

Edit it's at 39 seconds.

The video seems to be at this archive.org page

https://archive.org/details/apple-w...17_01156B_v02_HDR_PS_20180925_HDR_4K_HEVC.mov

So there's no guarantee it's not been edited, as far as I know there's no NASA archive of these videos.

It's possible this video is from 25/9/2018 but that might just be when it was named this.
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time stamp: 0:38
 
Yeah we're gonna need original video for this one not from a community internet archive copy of apple wallpapers.

Looks like this video has been a background/screensaver for Apple TVs and KODI (freeware media player for HTPC)
 
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JMartJr said:
Assuming it is real, are we looking through a window? If so, is it a star, or a reflection of some lights behind or on the camera, doing the sort of blinky things that spaceship instrumentation lights might be expected to do?
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It seems to move with the starfield, but despite its filename it was a very shitty quality vid, so it's a bit hard to be 100% sure:
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Playing comp_GMT060_117NC_363D_1034_AUSTRALIA_v35_HDR_PS_FINAL_20180831_HDR_4K_HEVC.mp4.
libavformat version 58.20.100 (external)
libavformat file format detected.
[lavf] stream 0: video (h264), -vid 0
VIDEO:  [H264]  854x480  24bpp  29.970 fps  703.4 kbps (85.9 kbyte/s)

I would hope there are enough stars visible that an astro buff could identify them.
 
I think the star that "moves/ping pongs" is Alkalturops
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analiennamed said:
we see a star bounce back and forth to another star in a quick ping.
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(1) We see a point of light which looks like a star.
(2) At about 4 seconds a point of light moves from it, travelling to the right.
At the time the moving point leaves, the original point dims.

(3) About the same time as we see the moving point, a new point of light appears to the right of the original. It looks stationary.
It is directly on the path that the moving point is taking.

(4) As the moving point moves to the right, the original point regains its brightness, but the moving point dims as it travels.
(5) The moving point reaches the "new" stationary point on the right. That point retains its luminosity (I think).
Briefly, only the original point and the "new" stationary point are visible.

(6) A point of light appears to "leave" the new stationary point, travelling to the left directly toward the original point.
(7) As the moving point travels to the original point, the new stationary point at right dims, becoming invisible as the moving point reaches the original point.

This seems to be repeated (not sure if it's a replay of the events around the 4 second mark; my feed of the "X" video has started playing up).

If this is authentic, I'd guess it's the result of a reflection from a small lightsource within the ISS, but I can't demonstrate that it is.
Hopefully some of you photography/ optics guys and gals might have more insight.
 
There flashing "stars" on the right hand side at 0:53 and 1:04. They seem to be static and not moving along with the firmament. I think those and the initial phenomenon are reflections.
 
Why did the video jump to that particular place in the sky? Was it (1) doing that motion more than once? Or was (2) that place chosen because that was where the fake was going to be placed? Or, visible in @jarlmai's gif with lines, (3) it is where ALL the stars take a jump upward, and is this a composite of two video segments, and the "movement" is just a moving object taken at two times among a field of stationary stars? (Maybe a short sped-up portion of video?)
 
All the stars are moving because the ISS is orbiting Earth, the OP video zooms to the part that moves to highlight it.

The original video (attached) it is just really small in in one corner and hard to see.

There are other similar moments in it one around 15 seconds as well as the others spotted by @Matt33 , but the videos is really low quality and they are less noticeable.
 

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Yeah, the jumpy stars are drifting along with the stars so seem to be, in fact. stars. So I think the reflection of blinky or moving lights hypothesis is probably out. Next up in my mind is "Could it be an irregularity on the lens/window that affects some stars that drift through that area?" But it does not seem to affect all the stars drifting through the same area...

Edit: Insert "stars" after "jumpy."
 
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The original video (attached) it is just really small in in one corner and hard to see.
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Working with that video, here is a "looping" clip of the two jumping stars that I see so far. Near the same part of the frame, but not EXACTLY the same part, and other stars crossing the area do not jump. When I have time, I'll be happy to add any others anybody else spots, including the one @Matt33 has already mentioned above that I missed, if that is useful...

Time stamp is in the video @jarlrmai posted just above. Jumping stars appear just above time stamp, each repeats 8 times, which may be a time or two too many... can't figure out how to make it display bigger in the post, it may be easier to see if you open it full screen, depending on your monitor.

 
JMartJr said:
Working with that video, here is a "looping" clip of the two jumping stars that I see so far.
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Jumping stars appear just above time stamp, each repeats 8 times, which may be a time or two too many...
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Twice in only minutes? Yet being an astronomically improbable thing (no pun intended, honestly, but now I've noticed it, it stays) that's never been documented before?

What odds are people are offering on "fakery"? We need the original. A donation to a mutually agreeable charity if it's also there in the original.

You know the extent of my tech set-up, I've got a hamster-powered computer, and even *I* could fake it if I wanted to. (ffmpeg to split the video into separate frames, ImageMagick to plonk an anti-aliased splat into the relevant frames (which requires maths - but that's my hidden super-power!), and then ffmpeg to turn it back into a video again.)
 
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analiennamed said:
this is the source site: https://video.ibm.com/channel/iss-hdev-payload trying to figure out how to scrub back to the proper date
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The HDEV experiment was operational from April 30, 2014 to August 22, 2019 and recordings were not archived per https://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/esrs/hdev/
External Quote:
The High Definition Earth Viewing (HDEV) experiment mounted on the ISS External Payload Facility of the European Space Agency's Columbus module was activated April 30, 2014 and after 5 years and 79 days was viewed by more than 318 million viewers across the globe on USTREAM (now IBM Video) alone. [...] As the HDEV feed is not usually recorded and publically archived, we suggest the use of open-source or commercially available screen recording software for capture of video segments.
So I am not sure if IBM Video has much footage archived.

Here's some info about the HDEV experiment:
External Quote:
The High Definition Earth Viewing HDEV primary objective is to validate the space-based performance of the cameras in a variety of operating modes to exercise and demonstrate the features and longevity of the COTS equipment for future ISS Program usage. This payload is an external earth viewing multiple camera system using a set of Commercial-off-the-shelf (COTS) cameras. The HDEV integrated assembly is composed of a camera system of four COTS cameras, integrated Command and Data Handling (C&DH) avionics (ethernet), and a power data distribution box that allows the integration of the payload's components interface to the ISS Columbus module.

The HDEV visible HD video cameras are a fixed payload camera system that requires no zoom, no pan or tilt mechanisms. The four fixed cameras are positioned to capture imagery of the Earth's surface and its limb as seen from the ISS (i.e., one camera forward pointed into the station's velocity vector, two cameras aft (wake), and the other one camera pointing nadir). The video imagery is encoded into an Ethernet compatible format for transmission to the ground and further distribution. In this format, the video can be viewed from any computer connected to the internet.

The HDEV does not record video on board the ISS, all video is transmitted to the ground real time; any desired recording of the video occurs as ground operations. The COTS cameras, COTS encoder and other electronics are enclosed in a pressurized box to provide a level of protection to the electronics from the space environment. The Enclosure contains dry nitrogen at Atmospheric pressure.

The NASA High School Students United with NASA to Create Hardware (HUNCH) program participated in the development of the HDEV. The HDEV project partnered with the HUNCH program to build several structural and support components of the HDEV flight system.

HDEV Design for Operations: The HDEV operates one camera at a time. The HDEV is designed so that when the system is initially powered on, after a 1-2 minute warm up period, the Cameras are turned on one at a time in a repeating cycle. The Forward looking camera is powered first, followed by the Nadir and each aft looking camera, such that the HDEV video "follows" a location on the earth as the ISS passes overhead.This auto-cycle mode of the HDEV does not require any input from ground operators, so the HDEV can be operated any time that the ISS power and data resources are available, without requiring a ground controller present to operate the payload. The only command required, is the initial "power on" command, which is performed by ESA's Columbus Control Center as schedule by ISS Payload Operations.

Alternately as desired by ground controllers, the HDEV video can be commanded. Ground operators have the choice to change the cycle of the images noted in the auto-cycle mode (either changing which cameras that are powered on, or changing the length of time they are powered on), or, if desired, ground controllers can command a single camera to remain powered on and no auto-cycle to take place.

The HDEV is operated from a standard ISS TReK workstation with HDEV specific software installed.

Operations: Camera/system longevity performance--initially when installed on orbit, the cameras are turned on and video is recorded (on ground) to establish initial camera image quality. Periodically during HDEV operations the camera video images are recorded and compared to previous video. The video image analysis over time will document how well each of the camera systems hold up in the space environment.
Source: https://www.nasa.gov/mission/station/research-explorer/investigation/?#id=892

So the cameras are just off the shelf, the video taken was streaming to Earth where it was selectively encoded and made available, and in normal operation of the experiment the produced feed would auto-cycle between cameras.

In the final report on the experiment (https://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ESRS/HDEV/files/HDEV-Final-Report_20200715.pdf), under "Lessons Learned" they discuss the auto-cycling (p. 9):
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The default auto cycling did not produce the desired result of following a feature
passing under the space station due to the interruption of the time delay needed
between camera views during the transition

The default auto-cycling did not produce the desired result of following a geographic feature
passing under the space station. The time delay for switching between cameras created too
much of an interruption in the flow of viewing the feature. During the default auto cycling, the
transition time to switch to the next camera became too much of an interruption and distrac-
tion to the viewer. Questions received from viewers indicated that many did not realize that
the default rotation was intended to follow a feature in the view as the station was passing
overhead. Only three cameras were used in the alternate auto-cycling because during launch
something happened to one of the aft (wake)-viewing cameras to make the focus slightly soft
and the exposure for the typical daytime scene too bright.
And in the Conclusion section on p. 21 they discuss the curious lack of dead pixels in one of the cameras as possibly being masked by video capture conversion and transmission process.
External Quote:
Several questions remain un-
answered such as why weren't more damaged pixels apparent? Is the lack
of bad pixels real or is imagery data being masked? Determining the an-
swer may assist future space station and other mission program imagery
planners in choosing camera hardware, equipment, communication mode
or placement within or on a spacecraft depending on the purpose or level
of quality required by the imagery user. Since HDEV hardware was not
planned or designed to be returned for examination, alternative ways to
approach finding answers are being pursued. An investigation and model
of the radiation environment of HDEV on the CEPF and a more thorough
understanding of the compression occurring along the video capture, con-
version, and transmission pathway may explain why only 3 damaged pixels
were visible in the nadir viewing camera at the end of its life.
To my mind this lends credence to the hypothesis that they're just sensor, encoding or transmission artifacts, and possibly even a result of compositing different camera streams (or maybe a single camera stream that was stitched together to remove the cycling to other cameras) as @Ann K hypothesized.
 
JMartJr said:
The one here Post #12? Can you help me find them, I only see the one jumping.
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Sorry, I think we're talking about different things. I see them all jumping upward, as if there's a break in the video. I think you're talking about the one that does that quick right-left shuffle.
 
Ann K said:
Sorry, I think we're talking about different things. I see them all jumping upward, as if there's a break in the video. I think you're talking about the one that does that quick right-left shuffle.
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You seem to be describing the fact that the animation was deliberately made to loop.
 
FatPhil said:
You seem to be describing the fact that the animation was deliberately made to loop.
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Yeah my animation is an infinitely looping GIF of the ping-ponging star from the OP video all the stars kump back to their original positions when the gif loops.

I'm beginning to think its some compression artifact possibly even interpolated frames, if multiple camera feeds were merged to create one image then this kind of thing might be a artifact of that.

I wonder if the frame count is the same for the 2 identified pingpong events (~15 secs and ~39 secs)
 
If this is an outside phenomenon, it happening twice, precisely horizontal to the camera recording it from thousands of miles away, is highly improbable.

Some video processing artifact being aligned with the picture rasture is more likely.

Add to that that no astronomer has ever reported this phenomenon.
 
The file name states 4K and HDR; however, the camera used in the ISS HDEV module had no such capabilities. So, other versions of the video might exist, and indeed there are links to other versions further down.

The ISS module in question is the aluminium box below:

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source: x.com/Space_Station/status/603972721073102848/photo/3

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source: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...x-High_Definition_Earth_Viewing_cameras_1.jpg

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source: x.com/hdevcam

It contained four cameras, two wake-facing (retrograde, aft), one nadir (Earthward), and one ram-facing (prograde, forward). The design employed four completely different cameras because one of the objectives of the mission was to test the endurance of off-the-shelf components in space:

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source: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/22797254.2017.1396880

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source: https://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ESRS/HDEV/files/HDEV-Final-Report_20200715.pdf

The four camera models were (mission launch date was 18 April 2014):
  • Hitachi HV-HD30 (RAM)
  • Toshiba IK-HR1S (NADIR)
  • Panasonic AGHMC150 (Wake)
  • Sony FCB-EH4300 (Wake)
As the ISS travels eastwards and Perth is visible when the video starts, then the footage is not reversed; thus, the camera used was the Hitachi HV-HD30:

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It was capable of recording 1080i or 720p, 50hz/60Hz, but it seems it was fixed at 720p by the HDEV team.

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https://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ESRS/HDEV/files/HDEV-Final-Report_20200715.pdf

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https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/19219308/hv-hd30-op-manual-computer-modules-inc

Because the Hitachi camera had no HDR (High Dynamic Range) capability, then in order to show the Earth's surface illuminated by the Sun, and at the same time the layer of atmosphere and the background stars, the frames had to be extracted from the original stream, the features above the horizon had to be enhanced to bring out detail and the stars, and then the enhanced frames were combined with the original frame to form a single HDR frame. Repeating the process for the entire footage created the HDR version. The footage was also upscaled to 4K.

Links to the SDR (Standard Dynamic Range) versions are available below. The 2K versions (1080p) are possibly the closest to the original stream, as the camera recorded footage in SDR and HD (720p):

4K SDR, HEVC codec (344MB):
https://sylvan.apple.com/Aerials/2x...LIA_v35_SDR_PS_FINAL_20180731_SDR_4K_HEVC.mov

2K SDR, HEVC codec (174MB):
https://sylvan.apple.com/Aerials/2x...LIA_v35_SDR_PS_FINAL_20180731_SDR_2K_HEVC.mov

2K SDR, AVC codec (262MB):
https://sylvan.apple.com/Videos/com...ALIA_v35_SDR_PS_FINAL_20180731_SDR_2K_AVC.mov

All three versions above also have the glitch. What they share in common is the original stream, the upscaling algorithm, any polishing, effects, and the AVC/HEVC codecs. "PS" in the file names might be a reference to Photoshop, which may have been used for automatic batch processing the frames (automatic upscaling, polishing, panning, cropping...).

Also, during the footage, the distance from the horizon to the upper edge of the sensor diminishes over time. However, the camera had no tilting capability, requiring the entire ISS to be slowly rolling for the effect to be physically produced. Thus, it is possible the method used for producing the enhanced footage included some virtual panning for cinematographic effect, causing the starfield to drift in an apparent direction and rate that was not the original direction of motion and speed (although the panning takes almost 6 minutes to complete):

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External Quote:
The HDEV system was designed to have the cameras fixed in location, viewing angle, and in camera and lens settings. This design required no pan or tilt mechanisms, no zoom and no iris adjustments.

(...)HDEV was on a fixed mount and the cameras could not move. As a result many features passing just outside of the field of view could not be captured.
source: https://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ESRS/HDEV/files/HDEV-Final-Report_20200715.pdf

For information only, this glitch looks similar to the stabilisation glitch in the Wyoming UFO thread https://www.metabunk.org/threads/wyoming-ufo.13386/


Source: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=983715570274466

It was solved in post #22, and identified as a consequence of having stabilisation switched on whilst operating the camera on a tripod, which is a well known no no in photography. However, in the HDEV case, the camera had no stabilisation feature and the effect is selective and limited to one cycle.


Source: https://youtu.be/OE03oloNUe4
 
Ann K said:
Sorry, I think we're talking about different things. I see them all jumping upward, as if there's a break in the video. I think you're talking about the one that does that quick right-left shuffle.
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Well, the two that do the shuffle, but yeah.

With the understanding that it is hard to calculate probabilities from two data points, I wonder if it is significant that both stars hop the the right (though not at the same angle.)

I am trying to find other examples in the video, hampered by the fact that if I speed up replay I can't see the known examples anymore, so I am having to watch in real time zoomed to small segments of the vid, and if I blink I'll miss it so I have to watch it repeatedly... and it is boring. No luck so far.
 
The naming just feels like the type of naming people do to (often pirated) movies like blue ray rips etc, that makes them slot into media organisation/playback software like Kodi etc I don't think any actual original real video information is represented in the file name

Probably they have been messed with in editing apps, which is why i'd like to the original but its is probably lot to time.
 
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