Explained: JFK: "We are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy"

Mick West

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Can you honestly say that what you think human nature is, is entirely of your own accord. Or like i've been saying is a programmed response that compartmentalizes thought that you learned from Entertainment,so called education and religon.
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It's absolutely not of your own accord. See:

http://youarenotsosmart.com/

However that does not mean it's been deliberately programmed. People have always been narrow minded, and religion is more of a symptom of that than a cause. Religion has independently and naturally been part of life for thousands of years. Did the illuminati simultaneously affect the animism of Africa, the Shinto religion of Japan.

Religion has shaped thinking for a very long time. It needs no conspiracy to explain this.
 

Jay Reynolds

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If the illuminati didn't exist we would have come to the concept of America alot sooner and it would be a universal appeal. wars would be on a much smaller scale if any at all. Disease and sickness would be a thing of the past. There'd be no such thing as hunger and racism would be nonexistant. Religon and mysticism would be fully explained. If there were any other type of beings out there everyone would know. I'd be at a higher plane of consciousness and so would you.
Very ironic, you speak as if you were a part of the Illuminati, because these are their promises for man.
 

Deathseye63

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It's absolutely not of your own accord. See:

http://youarenotsosmart.com/

However that does not mean it's been deliberately programmed. People have always been narrow minded, and religion is more of a symptom of that than a cause. Religion has independently and naturally been part of life for thousands of years. Did the illuminati simultaneously affect the animism of Africa, the Shinto religion of Japan.

Religion has shaped thinking for a very long time. It needs no conspiracy to explain this.

When I say of your own accord I mean did you take your own effort to think to look up things outside the mainstream to come up with a conclusion hec even your own anecdotes. In order for you to discover something you'd have to think differently otherwise you'll be the one saying the universe revolves around earth and its square. Galileo had to had to think different. In this case you should be trying to discover if you've been had you can't find out if you think whats suppose to be thought.

Actually that is evidence that you've been deliberatly programmed.

I honestly don't know if they started religon thats why I said religon would be fully explained in a world without them. But they don't have to create a religon to gain control of it just its religous leaders. Whether religon is symptom of the cause is irrelevant to the matter of can it be used to control people. Religon has been to justify king and queens ruling over people. Thats deliberate programming right there.
 

Mick West

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But is it part of some vast centuries-long conspiracy, of simply the opportunistic acts of who ever happens to be there at the time? How can you tell the difference?
 

Deathseye63

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I honestly didn't realize that till you said something but their promises as I understand it for who they deem man. Meaning they view the majority population as animals because we have poor gene pools which hypocritically is a concept of racism.

This was a reply to jay
 

Deathseye63

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But is it part of some vast centuries-long conspiracy, of simply the opportunistic acts of who ever happens to be there at the time? How can you tell the difference?

Some say it goes back 50,000 yrs but at least centuries ago that I know of. Not of opportunistic acts but a consolidated plan and they do it through whoever happens to be there at the time. Research is how you tell the difference, usually their symbolism gives it away. Even if they didn't plan for something to happen directly they fostered the enviroment for which it to happen.

One thing they did plan on is people trying to fight it. Instead of unifying people under obvious oppression they give you the illusion that your free and you think for yourself. And to counter you from awakening they gave you preprogrammed notions of what your suppose to be doing and who you ought to be through their entertainment, education religon and the idea that your life revolves around 40hr work weeks.
 

Mick West

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How were they supposed to have coordinated at a global level 1,000 years ago? Was feudal Japan part of the conspiracy in 1000AD?
 

Deathseye63

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How were they supposed to have coordinated at a global level 1,000 years ago? Was feudal Japan part of the conspiracy in 1000AD?

Don't know. I haven't tried to look that far back I'm more concerned with now. But are you at least starting to grasp the concept how communism can be something they created. even if they didn't, you understand that it can be controlled by its leaders just like religon. And that they would convey their goals were that of communism instead of their own to illuminate the world? I mean the concept not that its actually real to you. I mean in a nutshell tell me what you think i'm trying to say about the illuminati.
 

Mick West

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I think you are saying there is a certain group of people who control the entire world from behind the scenes and use techniques of propaganda to make people not notice.

I think you think there's some kind of mystical component to this. Some kind of mental powers, some new age thing. Something being suppressed.

I think though, that everything you point to as evidence is just things any student of history and anthropology would expect to happen anyway. Governments engage in public relations, they always have. The church has evolved to retain members, so it's quote good at doing that in spite of being based on superstitions. Rich people will collude for mutual benefit. These things call all happen quite naturally in isolation.
 

Deathseye63

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I think you are saying there is a certain group of people who control the entire world from behind the scenes and use techniques of propaganda to make people not notice.

I think you think there's some kind of mystical component to this. Some kind of mental powers, some new age thing. Something being suppressed.

I think though, that everything you point to as evidence is just things any student of history and anthropology would expect to happen anyway. Governments engage in public relations, they always have. The church has evolved to retain members, so it's quote good at doing that in spite of being based on superstitions. Rich people will collude for mutual benefit. These things call all happen quite naturally in isolation.

They don't actually control the entire world just where it counts and the propoganda is a sophistication on a scale unfathomable. but they're not in complete control.

I don't think there is anything mystical about it accept they the illuminati of thirteen families believe in satanism.

"I think though, that everything you point to as evidence is just things any student of history and anthropology would expect to happen anyway."

And that same quote applies to you. Don't you know we're following in the same footsteps of the romans in historical context without the illuminati conspiracy. That the government gets so corrupt to the point where politicians are still fighting for power while the nation itself is being destroyed. Cause you have yet to infer or say directly that our government is corrupt. I think you can admit that after tonkin and iraq cause you know those to be true.

"Governments engage in public relations, they always have."

And thats why we had idea's like the magna carta and the constitution so we could address our greviances to our government and have it be held responsible for its actions. Right now we are not following the constitution if you agree with it or not we as a people have not decided if we should disregard it just the people in power when it suits them.

"The church has evolved to retain members, so it's quote good at doing that in spite of being based on superstitions."

Let me just say that I'm an aethiest, always have been but religon still holds power.

"These things call all happen quite naturally in isolation."

I'm not saying it can't or wouldn't without them but that it wouldn't happen on a global and coordinated scale. WW 1,2 and hopefully not 3 wouldn't have happened without them nor vietnam nor iraq.

"Rich people will collude for mutual benefit." = conspiracy

By your own logic that you have shown in this forum you don't believe that. I showed you the cfr clip and you responded with a wikipedia search. When is the last time a criminal element advertises we do crime up front, bribes in the back and we discuss blackmail over the phone. Even if you don't believe a vast conspiracy you could admit to one capable of a rich guy and come to that conclusion.

Mobsters also collude for mutual benefit. And what do mobsters typically do to collude with each other they pay off the police so they stay outside of their affairs. And they have families that past down their criminal turf from generation to generation. So rich people are probably doing the same thing on a global scale paying governments off because they have turf to keep and naturally they want to expand. Illuminati.

So you tell me whats the longest living family that is rich that you know of? and I challenge you to come up with a conspiracy about our government because there is at least one happening right now. Its to prove that you can accept that your government is corrupt because if you can't do that then you have problems with yourself.
 

Deathseye63

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but do you understand that our government is corrupt? because in order for us to put the conspiracies to rest the government as we know it must be thoroughly swept of the corrupt element that allows both cheney and bush to still roam free and rich.
 

Mick West

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Obviously there is a lot of corruption in government. There always has been, everywhere in the world. There probably always will be, at least for the foreseeable future.

I do not think though that there is a single "corrupt element". There are lots of people. Many of them are corrupt to vary degrees. Some of them collaborate in their corruption, some directly conspire, and some indirectly through tacit understanding.

It's just people. Power corrupts. Money corrupts.

I personally attempt to address this by supporting organizations such as CREW. I dont think there is a need or a likelihood of revolution. I think there has been a slow process of gradual improvement over the decades, and that it will continue.
 

Deathseye63

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"some of them collaborate in their in their corruption" But if its at the presidential level is it not safe to assume that their corruption can spread on a national scale without the illuminati conspiracy?

Yes money and power corrupts and the perfect way to exert power is to bribe people under you with money and power to shield your corruption and the presidency would have a trickle down effect that would effect the nation is what i'm saying. Cause if it was just bush, cheney and their lackey's eventually they would be discovered but if it stayed a secret then should i not assume that the current administration is in on it, again without the illuminati conspiracy.

I think your misunderstanding how the illuminati works(If it were to be true). It works through conventional means but they keep themselves hidden and don't put they're name on anything. So they will bribe and blackmail but also like I said they foster an enviroment for which the bidding would do themselves. Like communism for those who actually believe in it and followed its ways are unknowingly contributing to their cause. Same with people they bribe and blackmail they don't have to control people directly just make it so their corruption is on par with their livelyhood that they would fight tooth and nail to prevent any from fighting their corruption.

I think we do need a nonviolent revolution regardless of our differences on who to blame we know who perpetuates our beliefs in corruption. Its already begun with the infowar but to slow of a revolution and we might get stuck in another world war which is on the horizon with iran. Because there are elements within who would want a WW3.
 

Mick West

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I don't understand why you think there's a single centuries old group. I don't think there's any evidence for it. All the existing corruption can just be explained by individuals or governments acting in selfish self interest.

The idea that there's some common thread behind the scenes does not hold water. Corruption is just human nature.

But if its at the presidential level is it not safe to assume that their corruption can spread on a national scale without the illuminati conspiracy?

I don't follow. Maybe you could rephrase that?
 

PCWilliams

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I don't understand why you think there's a single centuries old group. I don't think there's any evidence for it. All the existing corruption can just be explained by individuals or governments acting in selfish self interest.

The idea that there's some common thread behind the scenes does not hold water. Corruption is just human nature.

I've had this argument with my brother - a huge believer in secret societies. I tell him essentially the same thing. When Walmart opens on black friday there's a hoard of people rushing the doors - pulling, pushing and crushing each other. Did these shoppers conspire with each other to make this event happen? No. If tomorrow a law was passed mandating all homes must leave their doors unlocked at all times, do we think burglars would have to conspire with each other to make the expected break-ins occur? No.

It's about opportunity and opportunists. :cool:
 
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Dude, he was talking about secret oaths within the USA government, meaning Secret Societies. Listen to the whole speech, it had nothing to do with communist, he never mentioned any Soviets, North Koreans, or any foreign tyrants. Later if you listened he said "It is a system that has conscripted, vast Human and material resources, into the building of titmen hip, highly efficient machine, that combines military, diplomatic, economic, scientific, and political operations." And later he said "Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its descenders are silenced not praised." This is obviously NOT communist talk, he was going to a complete new subject. Also, he said the speech only a few days before his assassination, suddenly he's turned on and assassinated. Pathetic site, made for the sheeple to express their ignorance and fairy tails and wishes.
 

Mick West

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Look at the two sentences you have extracted in context:

It requires a change in outlook, a change in tactics, a change in missions--by the government, by the people, by every businessman or labor leader, and by every newspaper. For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.
Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.

And the one I highlighted there: "It conducts the Cold War". What could that be, but the Soviets?

And how exactly is: "Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its descenders are silenced not praised." not related to Soviet Communism?
 

George B

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I always felt this speech of JFKs contained two messages. . . Why not say "communism" . . . Dramatic effect or telegraphing something else . . . I think it was like the kids movies which contain double entendre . . . Something to entertain the adults who are more mature and worldly while the kids are safe and secure in their naive state of understanding. . . . I feel JFK was possibly talking to those in the know . . . not just the majority obsessed with the Communist Threat, Bay of Pigs fiasco, etc. . . .

This particular speech may or may not have been his own. . . according to Shirley Chisholm in her 1972 Presidential Campaign she alleged she wrote his "Ask Not. . . ." speech . . . So was he telegraphing a message or was his ghost writer sending a message as well . . .
 

Juror No. 8

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This Kennedy quote clearly hasn't been debunked here. Saying that Kennedy was only referring to "communists" or "communism" has no real meaning, as we now know that the international communist conspiracy wasn't just a foreign, enemy phenomenon. It had taken root in our own government (VENONA decrypts), and was also being supported in some very high places, like Wall Street and the military-industrial complex (Carroll Quigley, Antony Sutton). Considering Kennedy's previous close ties to Senator Joseph McCarthy and his insider position within the government, it's likely Kennedy knew about this infiltration and the reasons why our own State Department, banks, and industries were supporting both communism and the Soviet Union.

Now that is the communist conspiracy Kennedy was really talking about. He wasn't referring to the vague concept of communism as the uninformed American people understood it, he was referring to communism as the Washington insiders and connected press understood it. He was referring to the larger conspiracy behind international communism.
 

Mick West

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Did you read the entire speech? You realize it was a call to the newspapers to self-censor, so they would not be aiding the communists. Right?

So when you say he was "talking about" the communist conspiracy, what exactly was he saying? That communists exist? That they are out to get us? Sure. But everyone knew that. What does he say in the speech beyond that?
 

Juror No. 8

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Did you read the entire speech? You realize it was a call to the newspapers to self-censor, so they would not be aiding the communists. Right?

Yes, but what's important here is determining what Kennedy meant by "monolithic and ruthless conspiracy".

So when you say he was "talking about" the communist conspiracy, what exactly was he saying? That communists exist? That they are out to get us? Sure. But everyone knew that. What does he say in the speech beyond that?

I believe he was speaking of the international communist conspiracy as he and other government insiders understood it, not as the average layperson understood it. More specifically, the international communist conspiracy was just the visible left arm of a much greater, and more monstrous conspiracy. It's the historical conspiracy to enslave the world by the wealthy, ruling elites that Carroll Quigley referred to in Tragedy and Hope:

The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences.
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The international communist conspiracy was just a means to an end for those people who aided it and supported it.
 

Mick West

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What do you think the end was? I mean once they had that system in place, then what would they do?
 

Juror No. 8

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What do you think the end was? I mean once they had that system in place, then what would they do?

Technocratic world government. Government by, of, and for the ruling elites.

What they will do with this government is anybody's guess, but I doubt they have good intentions for the rest of us.
 

Mick West

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Technocratic world government. Government by, of, and for the ruling elites.

What they will do with this government is anybody's guess, but I doubt they have good intentions for the rest of us.

So people, now long dead, plotted to create a world government they would never see in their lifetimes. Why would they do that?
 

Juror No. 8

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For the same reason peace, child, animal rights, and environmental advocates pursue their respectives goals and agendas. It's ideological. A peace advocate knows he isn't likely to see enduring world peace in his lifetime, but he pursues that goal anyway because that's what he believes in. The same applies to the internationalists pursuing one world government. They not only believe in it, they believe it is essential.

This ideological component is also the reason why the drive for world government has survived through successive generations. It's not a conspiracy in the traditional sense, where the participants all have to work together in secret meetings. It's an ideological conspiracy, where each succeeding generation builds on the accomplishments of the preceeding generations. In that sense, the conspiracy is only loosely coordinated and highly decentralized, almost to the extent that it is imperceptible to observers.
 

Mick West

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I don't know. When I look at the world's elites, I see a bunch of very rich people who like money and power. They seem to be doing just fine with getting money and power.

I also see a lot of different people in the elite. It seems perfectly reasonable that they got to their elite status (i.e. their rich and powerful status) simply though the usual routes - inheritance, luck, hard work, corruption. No world-wide, centuries old conspiracy needed.

Are you saying that capitalism is part of the communist plot?
 

Juror No. 8

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I don't know. When I look at the world's elites, I see a bunch of very rich people who like money and power. They seem to be doing just fine with getting money and power.

Well, the greatest power and wealth lies not just in having billions of dollars, but in owning and controlling governments. Without control of government, wealthy people have to spend their money lobbying the government for special favors. They also have to spend their money buying propaganda to persuade people with and market their ideas. With control of government, wealthy people don't have to do any of that. They can simply tell the government and people what to do.

I also see a lot of different people in the elite. It seems perfectly reasonable that they got to their elite status (i.e. their rich and powerful status) simply though the usual routes - inheritance, luck, hard work, corruption. No world-wide, centuries old conspiracy needed.

No, no conspiracy is needed to get rich, but to own and control governments there is.

Are you saying that capitalism is part of the communist plot?

Yes, in the sense that it was the monopoly capitalists (robber barons) who were behind the international communist conspiracy. They used communism the same way a sheep herder uses a sheep dog, as a means for steering the herd and achieving certain societal objectives that wouldn't be possible without a manufactured enemy.
 

Mick West

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Well, the greatest power and wealth lies not just in having billions of dollars, but in owning and controlling governments. Without control of government, wealthy people have to spend their money lobbying the government for special favors. They also have to spend their money buying propaganda to persuade people with and market their ideas. With control of government, wealthy people don't have to do any of that. They can simply tell the government and people what to do.

That seem remarkably implausible. The rich are doing a perfectly good job now spending just a small fraction of their time and money on manipulating the legislature. Notice just how incredibly rich they are?

You think the rich actually want the people to be slaves? How is that going to work?

The current system has worked very very well for the elite for hundreds of years. There seems very little to be gained from changing it.
 

Juror No. 8

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That seem remarkably implausible. The rich are doing a perfectly good job now spending just a small fraction of their time and money on manipulating the legislature. Notice just how incredibly rich they are?

On the contrary, it's your view that is the one that is remarkably implausible. This idea that the rich all of sudden, at some magical point, stop trying to gain wealth and power. That they don't try to buy their way into government to make government work for them, instead of against them. That just because they are "incredibly rich", they are contented and disinterested in becoming even more rich and powerful.

You think the rich actually want the people to be slaves? How is that going to work?

Of course some of the rich want people to be slaves. Just look at human history. You'd be hard pressed to find a period in history where one group wasn't trying to enslave another group for their own benefit.

As to how the elite could enslave humanity? Easy. They consolidate nation-states under a dictatorial global government with total political, military, intelligence, regulatory, media, surveillance, communications, economic, and police power. At that point, the people of the world will have no recourse whatsoever. It will be an end of history moment, and mankind will be enslaved.

The current system has worked very very well for the elite for hundreds of years. There seems very little to be gained from changing it.

Apparently, the elite don't agree with you, as they are in fact trying to change how the world currently functions through the governments and international bodies they control. Wealth and power are being consolidated, nation-states are moving toward regionalization, economies are being globalized, regulations are being harmonized, and the goal of world government is moving forward.

Being incredulous about this reality doesn't change reality.
 

Mick West

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What I'm incredulous about is how you are reaching these conclusions with no real evidence. I'd be happy to hear some actual evidence.

Indeed, the evidence from world history seems quite the opposite. For hundreds of years the servitude of mankind has decreased. There's less slavery, less serfdom, less feudalism, less discrimination.

Of course some of the rich want people to be slaves. Just look at human history. You'd be hard pressed to find a period in history where one group wasn't trying to enslave another group for their own benefit.

So why is humanity getting less and less enslaved? Is it all part of the plan, or a tide they are desperately trying to turn back?

How are YOU personally enslaved?
 

Juror No. 8

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What I'm incredulous about is how you are reaching these conclusions with no real evidence. I'd be happy to hear some actual evidence.

The evidence is all around you. It's practically everywhere. You're just not interpreting it correctly. Or maybe you are, and you have some other agenda here.

Indeed, the evidence from world history seems quite the opposite. For hundreds of years the servitude of mankind has decreased. There's less slavery, less serfdom, less feudalism, less discrimination.

No, not really. All those things are still with us, they've just been transformed and disguised to make them more palatable to a larger number people.

So why is humanity getting less and less enslaved? Is it all part of the plan, or a tide they are desperately trying to turn back?

You've got it backwards. Humanity is getting more and more enslaved, not less. Just look at the United States, for example. The police state isn't shrinking, it's growing. Taxes aren't shrinking, they're growing. Regulations aren't decreasing, they're increasing. The number of laws and statutes on the books isn't going down, it's going up. Wealth isn't trickling down, it's trickling up. Power isn't decentralizing, it's centralizing.

You're really just oblivious to what's going on around you.

How are YOU personally enslaved?

Well, the U.S. government claims a tax on the exchange of my labor. This tax is called the "income tax". If I don't pay the tax, the U.S. government can steal my freedom and lock me in a cage, the same way a slave owner might cage one his slaves for not producing enough. If the U.S. government can legally lock me in a cage and prevent me from trading my own labor for the things I need to survive, then I am effectively a slave, as the U.S. government is exercising its primary claim over my body and labor.

If a person doesn't own and control his own labor, he is a slave. Whoever it is that owns and controls the labor of another is the slave owner.
 

Mick West

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Well, the U.S. government claims a tax on the exchange of my labor. This tax is called the "income tax". If I don't pay the tax, the U.S. government can steal my freedom and lock me in a cage, the same way a slave owner might cage one his slaves for not producing enough. If the U.S. government can legally lock me in a cage and prevent me from trading my own labor for the things I need to survive, then I am effectively a slave, as the U.S. government is exercising its primary claim over my body and labor.

If a person doesn't own and control his own labor, he is a slave. Whoever it is that owns and controls the labor of another is the slave owner.

You get to earn $5,800 for free. They take a percentage of anything over that, with increments at various levels.

This is a LONG way from slavery and feudalism. It's just taxes. Something that's been around for thousands of years. They are not preventing you from trading your labor for things you need to survive.

Other than income tax, in what way are you enslaved? You are not forced to do anything. You can work or not work. You are not prevented from moving about the country. You can marry and have children. You can raise your children how you like. You can own guns and gold. So how are you enslaved? How are people enslaved more now than they used to be?

Is it just taxes? Is that the conspiracy?
 

Juror No. 8

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You get to earn $5,800 for free. They take a percentage of anything over that, with increments at various levels.

This is a LONG way from slavery and feudalism. It's just taxes. Something that's been around for thousands of years. They are not preventing you from trading your labor for things you need to survive.

No, sorry, but it is still just slavery. A tax, or claim, on someone else's labor is slavery. If I come along and tell you that you have to pay me a user fee, or tax, to exchange your own labor, and that the penalty for failing to pay that tax is kidnapping and imprisonment, then you don't own your own labor, I do. You are my slave. I have primary claim on both your labor and the product of your labor. You aren't free, you belong to me.

The same thing goes for the land you think you own. If you have to pay ongoing taxes on your own land, then you don't really own it. Whoever is charging you the tax does, since they can legally take it away from you as soon as you stop paying. What you really have is a transferable, perpetual lease on land, but not ownership.

The American people are really just feudal serfs, since they have to lease from the government their own labor and land.

Other than income tax, in what way are you enslaved? You are not forced to do anything. You can work or not work. You are not prevented from moving about the country. You can marry and have children. You can raise your children how you like. You can own guns and gold. So how are you enslaved? How are people enslaved more now than they used to be?

Is it just taxes? Is that the conspiracy?

The American people aren't fixed plantation slaves in the same sense as the negro slaves in the old Antebellum South, they are free-range slaves, where the nation-state serves as the plantation. The owners and rulers of the American nation-state - the ruling elite - allow the American people to move about the plantation freely, to mate and make new slave offspring, to do different jobs, to retire from their slavery, to eat what they want, to sleep when they want, to groom and care for themselves, and to even do nothing at all if they like. The ruling elites figured out long ago that this type of slavery is the most effective and productive of all, as happy slaves who falsely believe they are "free" are far more productive and live much longer lives than unhappy slaves who truly know they aren't free. Unhappy slaves tend to be depressed, try to escape, incite violence, and sabotage their work, while happy slaves do nothing but produce.

It's also just as Johann Wolfgang von Goethe said:

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."

What he was basically saying is the best slaves are those who don't know they are slaves. That's why the American people are some of the best, most productive slaves in the world. They have no idea that they are owned and that their labor is claimed by a superior coercive force. They've been brainwashed to believe that this is just "normal" or "civilization".

George Carlin had this pretty well figured out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI
 

Mick West

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Supposed you fixed this problem with the elites. What would the world look like? In what way would your life be different?
 

Juror No. 8

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Supposed you fixed this problem with the elites. What would the world look like? In what way would your life be different?

Who knows? Anything you could suppose could result in a multitude of different results. This, however, is not a proper justification for allowing this system to continue.
 
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